For Iranophobes

[eits]

http://www.nytimes.com/package...RAN_FEATURE/index.html

comment.

edit: this was made back in '04, i believe, but the answers people give during the interviews still are valid.



i'm just waiting to see the responses from the iran gurus (palehorse74, tasteslikechicken, pabster, sinsear, piasabird, etc.) and how incorrect this journalist is in his assessment of iranians... they're probably all lying because iranians love the art of deception, right piasabird?

This could have been a usefull thread, but you turned into a callout thread.
Anandtech Moderator - bsobel

 

[Excelsior]

This is neat. Watching it now.

 

[imported_Tango]

Kristof is a terrific journalist. I had already seen this, but thanks for posting anyway. If you like his style you might want to have a look at his work in Africa and Sudan specifically. He did a great job on that occasion too.

 

[eits]

i really like the comment the one girl had whenever she was talking about how she can't have fun. when the journalist mentioned that she's got a lot more freedoms than she might have had 10 years ago and that it's a testament to the progress that's come about in iran in regards to right women have, she said "i don't compare myself with 10 years ago... i compare myself with what i could have and don't."

it's feelings like these which is why people are demonstrating in the streets everyday in tehran. change is coming about. forcing it will only be counteractive. iran wants change brought from within... not from the barrel of an american gun.

 

[Excelsior]

it's feelings like these which is why people are demonstrating in the streets everyday in tehran. change is coming about. forcing it will only be counteractive. iran wants change brought from within... not from the barrel of an american gun.

Yeah, I liked the statement near the end. Here it is:

So what should the U.S. do in terms of policy toward Iran? I think the greatest danger is that hard-liners in the U.S. will end up bolstering it and rescuing the hard-liners in Iran, that if we push too hard that is exactly what the mullahs would hope for. That will create a burst of patriotism around them and will keep them in power and will just cut the legs out from under the reformers in Iran.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

it's feelings like these which is why people are demonstrating in the streets everyday in tehran. change is coming about. forcing it will only be counteractive. iran wants change brought from within... not from the barrel of an american gun.

Yeah, I liked the statement near the end. Here it is:

So what should the U.S. do in terms of policy toward Iran? I think the greatest danger is that hard-liners in the U.S. will end up bolstering it and rescuing the hard-liners in Iran, that if we push too hard that is exactly what the mullahs would hope for. That will create a burst of patriotism around them and will keep them in power and will just cut the legs out from under the reformers in Iran.

yup. it's just common sense...

 

[maluckey]

You see! Iran is everyones friend! Those Iranian missiles that recently rained on MY head last week are figments of my imagination as are the Quds Force arrested in the neighboring Province. No issues with EFP's and Iranian AT rockets either!

No sir! The Nuclear program is a myth as is their ongoing chemical weapons program in cooperation with Syria (which recently killed more than a few of their operators).

Iran is a threat to everyone in the ME. Threat to the U.S? nope.......so long as we are not in the ME.

 

[palehorse]

Our problems have never been with the common Iranian citizens. In them lies our greatest hope!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: eits
http://www.nytimes.com/package...RAN_FEATURE/index.html

comment.

edit: this was made back in '04, i believe, but the answers people give during the interviews still are valid.



i'm just waiting to see the responses from the iran gurus (tasteslikechicken, pabster, sinsear, piasabird, etc.) and how incorrect this journalist is in his assessment of iranians... they're probably all lying because iranians love the art of deception, right piasabird?

You confuse my position on the Iranian government with my position on the Iranian people themselves. But, of course, if you don't make it appear as if I conflate the two as identical then you can't raise your little false flags and ignorantly call people like me "Iranophobes."

As I've stated before in here, a good friend of mine is an Iranian ex-pat. I'm well aware how Iranians themselves feel. Unfortunately, the Iranians themselves are not in power, the Mullahs are, and I will feel free to criticize them and Ahmadinejad as I see fit.

No go scurry away and take your TastesLikeChickenphobia, Pabsterphobia, sinsearphobia, pisabirdphobia, PJphobia, and whatever other phobias you tote like a big chip on your shoulder along with you.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Our problems have never been with the common Iranian citizens. With them lies our greatest hope!

oh shit, i forgot to include you in with the rest of the geniuses in the op... thanks for reminding me how smart you are when it comes to countries you know everything about.

 

[Toastedlightly]

This seems to be a call out thread in the guise of an informative thread.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
This seems to be a call out thread in the guise of an informative thread.

it's a bit of both... i'm trying to call out people about being uninformed and pretending like they are and, at the same time, asking everyone to dig into the wholesome goodness of this piece of informative journalism.

 

[Lemon law]

I agree with eits, the only thing the US is doing with current policy is to keep Iran from progressing. If left alone, Iran will toss the Mullahs. Instead we allow our military to get impatient and its only results in keeping them in power.

I know we will have a hard time of changing the minds of the military types, but all we have to do is look at all the success that they are not delivering to realize they will keep becoming an ever more inconsequential minority as time goes on.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
This seems to be a call out thread in the guise of an informative thread.

it's a bit of both... i'm trying to call out people about being uninformed and pretending like they are and, at the same time, asking everyone to dig into the wholesome goodness of this piece of informative journalism.

Except that it ends up being you who are the one who appears uninformed instead since you're basing the entire post on an ignorant stereotype that you wrongly apply to members of this forum.

Good job at such a vivid display of ignorance and for the awesome exhibition of your own little delusional phobia. :thumbsup:

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Our problems have never been with the common Iranian citizens. In them lies our greatest hope!

oh shit, i forgot to include you in with the rest of the geniuses in the op... thanks for reminding me how smart you are when it comes to countries you know everything about.

umm, what exactly did I say that you disagree with?

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
This seems to be a call out thread in the guise of an informative thread.

yep. mods alerted.

 

[magomago]

He should just remove their names

otherwise this is a good thread because it shows, yet again, of how wrong our perception is of them