For better or worse, Paul's still "in it"

[Rockinacoustic]

CNN article

Looks like he won't endorse anybody- not McCain:

"I'm not likely to support John McCain unless he changes his views. He doesn't represent anything I've talked about for 30 years," Paul said.

"How could I reject everything I've talked about for 30 years ... and say, 'Oh, OK. Now it's all over. Unity is the most important thing. Now I endorse John McCain.' Nobody would understand that. I certainly would have a difficult time adapting to that."

Not even concede his voters to Obama:

"If you look at [Barack] Obama's voting record, he's voted not to end the war. He's voted to finance the war. So his rhetoric is playing to the people that come my way, but he ... he wants to send more troops into Afghanistan. He wants to broaden the military. I think it's a fraud what he's talking about when he wants to really get out of Iraq," he said.

While his campaign was horribly run, I can't help but respect the man's adherence to his own beliefs instead of towing the partisan line. Even if he is a "nutjob" and "loon" to most people, I fail to see a more sincere and good-willed candidate who ran for this election. Maybe after these next 4 to 8 years of the same presidential rhetoric, we'll see that it is the radical idea holders who DO bring the change we claim to want.

 

[blackangst1]

lol

 

[RichardE]

Its easy to stay to your beliefs unwavering when you have no chance at success. Jo schmo win numfuck idaho will proudly tell people his worldly views when it doesn't matter but will sing a different tune when it does.

 

[Pabster]

See ya, Paulie. :laugh:

 

[halik]

good riddance

 

[Lemon law]

Regardless of the idea of that Ron Paul has the correct ideas for the times, the RON Paul candidacy has BEEN A GIANT FLOP in 2008. Bottom line, you can't be a leader unless you have enough followers.

Its a NOW WHAT for Ron Paul. He can----------

A. Be a good little GOP member, pack it in, and turn the unspent money over to McCain.

B. Or he can run as a third party.

C. He can't wait until 2012, because he is already too old now, by 2012, forget it. Ron Paul ideas may live on, but a new leader is needed.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Lemon law


C. He can't wait until 2012, because he is already too old now, by 2012, forget it. Ron Paul ideas may live on, but a new leader is needed.

I'm sure there will be a new Paulsie to carry the torch. But then again, if you believe the in the Paulsie Conspiracy then they are just one step away from securing the nomination with "stealth"

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Lemon law


C. He can't wait until 2012, because he is already too old now, by 2012, forget it. Ron Paul ideas may live on, but a new leader is needed.

I'm sure there will be a new Paulsie to carry the torch. But then again, if you believe the in the Paulsie Conspiracy then they are just one step away from securing the nomination with "stealth"

Why do people insist on ridiculing politicians name as if it lends credence to their criticisms? God knows I hear enough, "Way to go, Bushie!" I don't need to hear "Paulsie" from someone who should know better.

 

[techs]

Ron Paul ='s Pat Paulson

 

[compuwiz1]

This thread is worthless without a Ron who? :laugh:

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
This thread is worthless without a Ron who? :laugh:

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No, I somewhat disagree. There is something in enduring American Values with Ron Paul that will not go away with the defeat of Ron Paul in 2008. And if nothing else, and partly because of the disastrous policies of GWB&co., that guarantee a reexamination of a more isolationist America.

To dismiss the Ron Paul ideas as a mere Ron Paul WHO is denial and denial of reality. To say that Ron Paul did not tap part of core American ideals, is stupidity in the extreme. Ron Paul ran, and in the process enriched America, is the only conclusion possible.

The fact that Ron Paul replanted a seed that did not bear fruit in 2008 does not matter in the grand sweep of history, what matters is that the seed is replanted. I firmly reject the idea that Ron Paul supporters have anything to be ashamed of.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
CNN article

Looks like he won't endorse anybody- not McCain:

"I'm not likely to support John McCain unless he changes his views. He doesn't represent anything I've talked about for 30 years," Paul said.

"How could I reject everything I've talked about for 30 years ... and say, 'Oh, OK. Now it's all over. Unity is the most important thing. Now I endorse John McCain.' Nobody would understand that. I certainly would have a difficult time adapting to that."

Not even concede his voters to Obama:

"If you look at [Barack] Obama's voting record, he's voted not to end the war. He's voted to finance the war. So his rhetoric is playing to the people that come my way, but he ... he wants to send more troops into Afghanistan. He wants to broaden the military. I think it's a fraud what he's talking about when he wants to really get out of Iraq," he said.

While his campaign was horribly run, I can't help but respect the man's adherence to his own beliefs instead of towing the partisan line. Even if he is a "nutjob" and "loon" to most people, I fail to see a more sincere and good-willed candidate who ran for this election. Maybe after these next 4 to 8 years of the same presidential rhetoric, we'll see that it is the radical idea holders who DO bring the change we claim to want.

How his camaign was run would was never the issue.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
This thread is worthless without a Ron who? :laugh:

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No, I somewhat disagree. There is something in enduring American Values with Ron Paul that will not go away with the defeat of Ron Paul in 2008. And if nothing else, and partly because of the disastrous policies of GWB&co., that guarantee a reexamination of a more isolationist America.

To dismiss the Ron Paul ideas as a mere Ron Paul WHO is denial and denial of reality. To say that Ron Paul did not tap part of core American ideals, is stupidity in the extreme. Ron Paul ran, and in the process enriched America, is the only conclusion possible.

The fact that Ron Paul replanted a seed that did not bear fruit in 2008 does not matter in the grand sweep of history, what matters is that the seed is replanted. I firmly reject the idea that Ron Paul supporters have anything to be ashamed of.

Pat Paulson didn't go away either. He ran for President 6 times.
And Paulson had better lines than Paul:

Presidential Campaign Slogan: "I've upped my standards. Now, up yours."

Presidential Campaign Slogan: "If elected, I will win."

"All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian."

Why should we tell kidnappers, murderers, and embezzlers their rights? If they don't know their rights, they shouldn't be in the business."

"A good many people feel that our present draft laws are unjust. These people are called soldiers."

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
CNN article

Looks like he won't endorse anybody- not McCain:

"I'm not likely to support John McCain unless he changes his views. He doesn't represent anything I've talked about for 30 years," Paul said.

"How could I reject everything I've talked about for 30 years ... and say, 'Oh, OK. Now it's all over. Unity is the most important thing. Now I endorse John McCain.' Nobody would understand that. I certainly would have a difficult time adapting to that."

Not even concede his voters to Obama:

"If you look at [Barack] Obama's voting record, he's voted not to end the war. He's voted to finance the war. So his rhetoric is playing to the people that come my way, but he ... he wants to send more troops into Afghanistan. He wants to broaden the military. I think it's a fraud what he's talking about when he wants to really get out of Iraq," he said.

While his campaign was horribly run, I can't help but respect the man's adherence to his own beliefs instead of towing the partisan line. Even if he is a "nutjob" and "loon" to most people, I fail to see a more sincere and good-willed candidate who ran for this election. Maybe after these next 4 to 8 years of the same presidential rhetoric, we'll see that it is the radical idea holders who DO bring the change we claim to want.

How his camaign was run would was never the issue.

Is that English?

 

[MovingTarget]

I'm sort of the opposite of most on the whole party unity ideal. I see no problem with their being major differences in opinion or multiple candidates up until and during the convention. That multitude of ideas is healthy for any democracy unfortunate enough to have to exist under a party system. At this point, with the way the media has portrayed his run, his only real hope in running and/or continuing to run until the convention is to try and raise awareness of competing ideas within the party. Whether you agree with Paul or not, his issues are ones that need to be talked about and debated upon. Otherwise, you end up with the system we have now which are two rather ideallogically static parties who value conformity above all else. This is why we have the sense of partisainship that we do now in Congress. Nobody is willing to work with the other side and compromise for the good of the public. Real statesmen are few and far between. Gotta tow that party line!

 

[Mavtek3100]

Originally posted by: halik
good riddance

??

Where's he going? Looks like he won his congressional seat big time.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: halik
good riddance

??

Where's he going? Looks like he won his congressional seat big time.

All Ron Paul ever gets to do in the House is vote "No" to everything and make speeches no one listens to.
He has has much relevance as t*ts on a nun and b*lls on a priest.

 

[nageov3t]

so what's happening with all that cash he raised?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: loki8481
so what's happening with all that cash he raised?

Shhsssshhhh. Someone might hear you.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: loki8481
so what's happening with all that cash he raised?

Shhsssshhhh. Someone might hear you.

Ahhh...now we're getting down to the root of the subject. Why should he drop out when there are still supporters willing to send him money?

Winning doesn't matter nearly as much as raking in the cash when you're a "fringe candidate"...

 

[Mavtek3100]

Well according the FEC he can't use that cash for anything except campaigning, not to mention he's very conservative and doesn't really need the money.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

How his camaign was run would was never the issue.

Yes because America doesn't want to get the fvck out of Iraq :roll: He has some other more questionable ideas, but at least he had the balls and track-record to say "we messed up, it's time to leave".

Originally posted by: loki8481
so what's happening with all that cash he raised?

That's what I'd like to know, and why I say his campaign was horribly run. There's no excuse how 20 million dollars can't get a freaking TV/Radio ad in New York where I live. Romney couldn't buy votes with his money, and seemingly Paul couldn't do the same with others.

 

[teclis1023]

I really don't like most of his policies, but damn, the man's got heart. I do respect his willingness to truly stand up for what he believes in.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Wow, you people both amuse and frighten me. You insist on bashing a man who actually supports our Constitutional Government and trumpet in triumph at the fact that nothing will change. Hey, I understand you didn't support the guy, but to chastise him like some zombie from outer space is a crime to our heritage. The fact that people honestly think it's a bad thing that he votes no on issues that don't agree with The Constitution shows exactly why our economy is in the shitter and our politicians do nothing to make this country better domestically or abroad. We are no longer a country for the people by the people, we've become a nation for the money by the money.

I hope and pray that the younger voters who actually had the chance to hear his message stay active and grow their numbers. Eventually there will be enough of them to oust the freaking retards who are all to happy to sell our government to the corporations meanwhile watching any rights they originally had get flushed down the toilet by the power elite. There's a reason it takes a lot of money to run for office, to insure the people most affected by the governments decisions are never truly represented. At this point I almost hope Hillary wins so you can see how something as bad as the Bush administration can actually get worse.