For all you ps3 haters

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Imyourzero
I hope that no one who says $600 is excessive for a console bought an 8800GTX (or 7950GX2 when it launched) or a $600+ CPU. I agree that $600 is pricey for a console, and hopefully the PS3 will continue to trail behind the Wii/360 in sales, otherwise it'll only encourage higher console launch prices in the coming generations. However, when you consider what $600 will buy (either a very powerful gaming console + BluRay player that's ready to go out of the box, or a single component i.e. the GTX or a $600 CPU, both of which require hundreds more in equipment to be useful), the PS3 seems like a relative bargain.

I'm not so sure.

Watch this:

$120 - A64X2 3800+ (faster than the cell, by most accounts)
$80 - decent motherboard
$100 - gig of ram
$50 - PSU and case
$180 - 7800 graphics card
$70 - 250GB hard drive

Total: $600

You can build a good PC for about what a PS3 would cost!

How are you going to install all these games w/o a CD rom? Don't say daemon tools either And 7800 what? Plus it's slow whatever it is. $50 for a PSU and case, I'd like to see that. Then see if it lasts.

It's about $650 really to start stomping the consoles

$47 3200 939 make into FX57
$55 Biostar Tforce NF4
$80 gig Kingston 2-3-2 1T
$89 Corsiar 520W
$201 X1950XT
$55 160GB HDD
$15 DVD/CD combo Drive
$34 case coolermaster centurion AR
-------
$656 but far superior in 3d

 

[Zebo]

NOW WHY THE HELL DO PEOPLE BUY THE PS2, XBOX, and GC IF THE PC IS CLEARLY SUPERIOR.

Because if you go to Aleinware or CompUSA it costs $2000 to meet or exceed the consoles.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Imyourzero
I hope that no one who says $600 is excessive for a console bought an 8800GTX (or 7950GX2 when it launched) or a $600+ CPU. I agree that $600 is pricey for a console, and hopefully the PS3 will continue to trail behind the Wii/360 in sales, otherwise it'll only encourage higher console launch prices in the coming generations. However, when you consider what $600 will buy (either a very powerful gaming console + BluRay player that's ready to go out of the box, or a single component i.e. the GTX or a $600 CPU, both of which require hundreds more in equipment to be useful), the PS3 seems like a relative bargain.

I'm not so sure.

Watch this:

$120 - A64X2 3800+ (faster than the cell, by most accounts)
$80 - decent motherboard
$100 - gig of ram
$50 - PSU and case
$180 - 7800 graphics card
$70 - 250GB hard drive

Total: $600

You can build a good PC for about what a PS3 would cost!

How are you going to install all these games w/o a CD rom? Don't say daemon tools either And 7800 what? Plus it's slow whatever it is. $50 for a PSU and case, I'd like to see that. Then see if it lasts.

It's about $650 really to start stomping the consoles

$47 3200 939 make into FX57
$55 Biostar Tforce NF4
$80 gig Kingston 2-3-2 1T
$89 Corsiar 520W
$201 X1950XT
$55 160GB HDD
$15 DVD/CD combo Drive
$34 case coolermaster centurion AR
-------
$656 but far superior in 3d

Socket 939 is outdated, one gig of ram is too low as well...

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: smack Down
You really can't compare the price the ps3 to the price of a PC because no one lost 250 dollars in the parts you listed.

Would you buy a POS car, just because the manufacturer lost money selling it to you?

Sony is losing money because of poor engineering on the CPU, and the relatively useless blu-ray stuff.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: Noema

Originally posted by: aceofskies05
Can a PC create better graphics than that? I want to see, im curious.

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Crysis looks excellent, yes, but still a little unreal, pun not intended.

That ps3 screenshot looked like a still from a live broadcast.

Originally posted by: regnez

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

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Damn, Crysis looks better than real life.

Not really. Look at the grass and the palm tree in the b/g. Or the fence. =X

 

[0roo0roo]

who cares about its graphics, many people hate sony and ps3 because of the arrogant sh*tty way the company behaves. sony is the mpaa*sony films and riaa*sony music. never mind their proprietary formats/bluray and now the expensive console which was hyped to hell and back. never mind rootkit. giving this company money isn't in your best interest unless you like raping yourself.

 

[justlnluck]

Most of us already own a high quality case / PSU / mouse & keyboard, etc that we can re-use.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
who cares about its graphics, many people hate sony and ps3 because of the arrogant sh*tty way the company behaves. sony is the mpaa*sony films and riaa*sony music. never mind their proprietary formats/bluray and now the expensive console which was hyped to hell and back. never mind rootkit. giving this company money isn't in your best interest unless you like raping yourself.

this sums it up right here. sony is going to lose not because of anything other than these issues imho

imho - fps = pc, racing, sports = console (have 360 on the way )

 

[Farmer]

Raduque:

It's much easier to create an extremely accurate car model and render it than to re-create organic things, like grass, or extremely intricate patterns, like a chain-link fence. I honestly thought the biggest sore spot on the Cry shot was the grass on the ground.

For instance, if you look at some screenshots of MS Flight Simulator 2004 (4 year old tech) (not even FS-X, which looks about ten times better), they look somewhat photorealistic. Here are a few of mine; other people have done much better:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Farmer/B744.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Farmer/F-16-over-Kansas.jpg

The first one is of an Air China B744 over Amila Island, one of the Aleutian Islands, and the second one is of a mid-block F-16D somewhere over Kansas, even though the tail "SW" belongs to the 77th FS, based in S. Carolina.

The PS3 shot is a car on a big fat high-res texture. There are a million more things going on in the Cry shot. There is no doubting that the technology in Crysis is far more advanced than anything in Forza 2 or Gran Turismo HD.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: Farmer

The PS3 shot is a car on a big fat high-res texture. There are a million more things going on in the Cry shot. There is no doubting that the technology in Crysis is far more advanced than anything in Forza 2 or Gran Turismo HD.

Your shots do like nice, but as you mentioned, only semi-photorealistic.

But, as I mentioned, the first shot the OP linked made me actually stand back and go "that looks like a still from a broadcast of a real race". The Crysis shots, while admittedly they look extremely nice, still do not make me question if they are are reality or rendered. "More advanced" or not, they just still don't have all the little subtle details that reality does.

In the first GTHD shot, the illusion is intact.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I love my PS3.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
who cares about its graphics, many people hate sony and ps3 because of the arrogant sh*tty way the company behaves. sony is the mpaa*sony films and riaa*sony music. never mind their proprietary formats/bluray and now the expensive console which was hyped to hell and back. never mind rootkit. giving this company money isn't in your best interest unless you like raping yourself.

Yep.

 

[aceofskies05]

I dont think your 600 pc match up is correct because, you could have dual 8800's for instance and 4 gig ram, but if you only had a 1,3 ghz processors games would be crap, I think the cells with its high power processing power changes the outlook of the graphics.

Also, when you make the 600 doller pc, you also have to account for a physics card too

 

[BobDaMenkey]

I have been throughly enjoying my PS3 and it's games since I got it in the middle of december. I haven't been using my PCs to game all that much anymore since they're starting to fall behind on their ability to produce jaw dropping graphics in games like Oblivion(which I have pre-ordered for the PS3). I also haven't been tremedously interested in any of the games coming out for the PC recently. I'm getting tired of playing the same old fps games, and want something more innovative or just plain different from that. I'm really looking forward to Spore, and that'll probably have me playing the upgrade game on my PCs again, but until then I'm just going to hold off, because I never can seem to win when it comes to my computers.

I think it really comes down to different strokes for different folks. I got the 20gb PS3 and added a 100gb($55) hard drive to it afterwards, and set it up to dual boot with Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 which was free(well, it cost the blank DVD I used to burn it). So now I can do office apps, instant message, surf the web, watch video files and play ghetto linux games on my PS3 in addition to the normal GameOS functions. So you can't argue that the PS3 doesn't have some of the utility that a PC does. It's not the same, and I'm not claiming it is, but you can still do general computing on a PS3. (At current, Sony has locked out the use of the graphics card so you cannot get 3d accelleration of any kind, also the Cell processor is a PPC64 design which has a smaller support group and wouldn't allow it to run things like Wine to redirect linux calls to Windows calls)

Also the folks building PCs that would 'destroy' the PS3 still leave out the cost of an operating system.


So anyway, that's my post in an attempt to refute some arugements against, and try and shed a little light on the possible utility of the PS3.

 

[aceofskies05]

agreed

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

I hate how some games are only available on consoles. I'd gladly shell out $50 for Final Fantasy XII for PC, but I'll never get that chance. No way I'm spending $600 just to play a single game I like. I wish Squaresoft would go back to making PC versions like with FFVI and FFVIII.

 

[SickBeast]

When's the release date for GT4?

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
I hate how some games are only available on consoles. I'd gladly shell out $50 for Final Fantasy XII for PC, but I'll never get that chance. No way I'm spending $600 just to play a single game I like. I wish Squaresoft would go back to making PC versions like with FFVI and FFVIII.

The 500 dollar PS3 is a better deal than the 600 dollar PS3. So all you really need is the 500 dollar PS3. Wifi and a 60 gigabyte hard drive is not that big of a deal...

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

I could still get 2 Wiis for $500, which has games I'd actually want to play.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
I could still get 2 Wiis for $500, which has games I'd actually want to play.

Well that's your opinion

There are no games that attract me to the Wii.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
I hate how some games are only available on consoles. I'd gladly shell out $50 for Final Fantasy XII for PC, but I'll never get that chance. No way I'm spending $600 just to play a single game I like. I wish Squaresoft would go back to making PC versions like with FFVI and FFVIII.

The 500 dollar PS3 is a better deal than the 600 dollar PS3. So all you really need is the 500 dollar PS3. Wifi and a 60 gigabyte hard drive is not that big of a deal...

Agreed, and that's the one I'd go for if I had the coin to drop. That would get me a $250 console and a $250 BD player.

 

[LazyGit]

The cost difference argument between the PC and consoles in general is a bizarre one. Everyone here seems to have a PC of some sort, unless they're using magic to post. This is pretty much the case for most people these days, they already have or need a PC. Now if you want to play games you can either use your PC or use a console. So you want the cutting edge and either drop a grand on my rig which is more powerful than a PS3 or 360 or you buy a PS3 or 360 to go along with the PC. With the cost of PCs, you're spending the same money either way but you have a far superior gaming system if you stick with the PC.

The PS3 is the graphics king among the consoles and they've just had to cut back a sub par Flatout 2 ripoff back from 1080p 60fps to 720p 30 fps Motorstorm. Gears of War is 720p and apparently shows off the power of the 360. I was playing games at 1024x768 6 years ago on an average PC.

The only reason you might buy a console is because of a game you can't get for a PC. And if anyone says that the Wii adds a new dimension which makes it worth getting is quite right. They've finally managed to replicate for consoles something vaguely close to the ultimate control system: keyboard and mouse.
cheers

 

[aceofskies05]

not true no personal PC cpu has the power of the cell.

 

[w00t]

I was never a PS3 hater because I knew it was a better system than both the Wii and Xbox 360

It seems the people who hate it are the same people with Xbox 360's isn't that strange? heh

 

[AkumaX]

looks good!

it'll probably move at 10fps, but still, it looks good!