For all those who said you MUST have a top HSF for any OC'ing...

[Gerr]

When I was asking for a HSF for some low to moderate overclocking of my Q6600, most people said I needed a top level unit, ie $50+ HSF if I wanted to do ANY successful OC'ing. Then a couple people mentioned the Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro, which I ended up buying. I still had people comment that my HSF was junk and not good enough for any OC'ing, even after I reached 3.2Ghz at 57* under load with the ACF7P.

Well, to all those who insisted on paying top $$$ for a HSF for only low to moderate OC'ing and only ever recommended them for the same, have fun reading Anandtech's latest review of the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro...

http://www.anandtech.com/casec...howdoc.aspx?i=3210&p=1


UPDATE:
I by no means am suggesting that the ACF7P can compete with the top dog HSF for extreme overclocking, because it simply can't. But do read how the ACF7P compares with the top dog coolers at stock and low to moderate overclocking, as my original post suggested.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Gerr
When I was asking for a HSF for moderate overclocking, most people said I needed a top level unit, ie $50+ HSF if I wanted to do any successful OC'ing. Then a couple people mentioned the Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro, which I ended up buying. I still had people comment that my HSF was junk and not good enough for any OC'ing, even after I reached 3.2Ghz on my Q6600 at 57* under load with the HSF I choose.

Well, to all those who insisted on paying top $$$ for a HSF for only moderate OC'ing and only ever recommended them for the same, have fun reading Anandtech's latest review of the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro...

http://www.anandtech.com/casec...howdoc.aspx?i=3210&p=1

You missed the point those of us tried to make when we advised you about heatsinks.

Now you claim to have read the latest review-- what part of this dod you not understand??

a few excerts from the final conclusion--

No one really should expect the Alpine 7 (with PWM)/Alpine 7 Pro to challenge a Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme for top air-cooling performance.

Still, the mid-sized fans sometimes can come close. Results did not upset our expectations, as neither the Alpine 7 nor the Freezer 7 Pro came close to dethroning our top coolers.

For the money the performance of the Alpine 7 and Freezer 7 Pro are both simply outstanding. The Alpine 7 sells for less than $15 and it handily outperforms the excellent stock Intel cooler that comes with kit CPUs. Many higher-priced coolers barely outperform the Intel, and the Alpine 7 turns in a significantly better performance than the benchmark Intel retail design. The Freezer 7 Pro fares even better. This sub-$25 cooler exhibits performance scaling that is much better than we had any right to expect at this price point. It also pushes overclocking to a very good 3.85GHz, which is a record for this price point.

nobody said they were crappy coolers!

It is true the Arctic Cooling duo did not break through the top of our cooler performance charts, but they do something too few products do today. Both the Alpine 7 and Freezer 7 Pro meet or exceed their specifications. Both also deliver competent and silent performance with simple but effective engineering while delivering exceptional value for their price.

They are not the best performing coolers you can buy today, but both are the top performing cooler you can buy at their respective price points. There's nothing wrong with earning the distinction of "Best Buy for the Money".

Don`t read into what Anand said!! Anad agrees with those of us who said they were good coolers. The issue was do they compete with the top of the line or as I say -- Teir 1 coolers?

Even anand agrees with what we said!!

So again what part of the review did you not understand??

 

[swtethan]

I'd take my TRUE over AC7, but of course im a extreme air overcloxorzzzzzzzz!

 

[Gerr]

The ACF7P DOES compete with the top dog HSF coolers at stock and low to moderate overclocking. It's only during extreme overclocking that the top dogs pull away. This is EXACTLY what Anandtech says.

And some people did trash my choice of HSF even for low to moderate overclocking, and it's those people who I am poking fun at.

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: Gerr
The ACF7P DOES compete with the top dog HSF coolers at stock and low to moderate overclocking. It's only during extreme overclocking that the top dogs pull away. This is EXACTLY what Anandtech says.

And some people did trash my choice of HSF even for low to moderate overclocking, and it's those people who I am poking fun at.

Yeah, exactly.
What's funny though is that it does challenge the TRUE. It only OCs what, 100MHz less?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Gerr
The ACF7P DOES compete with the top dog HSF coolers at stock and low to moderate overclocking. It's only during extreme overclocking that the top dogs pull away. This is EXACTLY what Anandtech says.

And some people did trash my choice of HSF even for low to moderate overclocking, and it's those people who I am poking fun at.

Yes some people probably did....


It is my opinion that you don`t need anything more than a generic heatsink --one that came with your CPU if you are going to be running your CPU at stock.

Also it is my opinion that unless your going to be bumping your CPU past 10% overclock almost any after market heatsink will do the trick. Even then some stock heatsinks will work just fine!


The bottom line is not to lash out at those who belittled your choice.

The bottom line as with anything wre purchase is are you happy?

Peace!!

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
It is my opinion that you don`t need anything more than a generic heatsink --one that came with your CPU if you are going to be running your CPU at stock.

Only if you're not bothered by the noise levels. Some people don't even notice, and some feel stock fans are too noisy.

 

[Team42]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Gerr
The ACF7P DOES compete with the top dog HSF coolers at stock and low to moderate overclocking. It's only during extreme overclocking that the top dogs pull away. This is EXACTLY what Anandtech says.

And some people did trash my choice of HSF even for low to moderate overclocking, and it's those people who I am poking fun at.

Yes some people probably did....


It is my opinion that you don`t need anything more than a generic heatsink --one that came with your CPU if you are going to be running your CPU at stock.

Also it is my opinion that unless your going to be bumping your CPU past 10% overclock almost any after market heatsink will do the trick. Even then some stock heatsinks will work just fine!


The bottom line is not to lash out at those who belittled your choice.

The bottom line as with anything wre purchase is are you happy?

Peace!!

I'm with Gerr.

He wasn't asking about stock or extreme overclocking.. He was asking for advice for a mild overclock, and reporting back on the "advice" given which, frankly, appears to me to be very subjective.

I'm sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. I use an ACF7P and I am very happy with it. And my e4300 is running at a 67% OC.

It would be much more helpful in these forums if people were to report facts where they are required. And if they have no facts, BTFO (if you need a translation, ask me...)

T42

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
It is my opinion that you don`t need anything more than a generic heatsink --one that came with your CPU if you are going to be running your CPU at stock.

Only if you're not bothered by the noise levels. Some people don't even notice, and some feel stock fans are too noisy.

That is true but just because you get an aftermarket heatsink you have no guarantees that the noise will be any less.

Take the original Zalman 9500 there were mixed reviews. Some reviews said it was quiet others said just the opposite.

As JonnyGURU has said many times when talking about PSU`s and noise...noise is relative.

Peace!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Team42

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Gerr
The ACF7P DOES compete with the top dog HSF coolers at stock and low to moderate overclocking. It's only during extreme overclocking that the top dogs pull away. This is EXACTLY what Anandtech says.

And some people did trash my choice of HSF even for low to moderate overclocking, and it's those people who I am poking fun at.

Yes some people probably did....


It is my opinion that you don`t need anything more than a generic heatsink --one that came with your CPU if you are going to be running your CPU at stock.

Also it is my opinion that unless your going to be bumping your CPU past 10% overclock almost any after market heatsink will do the trick. Even then some stock heatsinks will work just fine!


The bottom line is not to lash out at those who belittled your choice.

The bottom line as with anything wre purchase is are you happy?

Peace!!

I'm with Gerr.

He wasn't asking about stock or extreme overclocking.. He was asking for advice for a mild overclock, and reporting back on the "advice" given which, frankly, appears to me to be very subjective.

I'm sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. I use an ACF7P and I am very happy with it. And my e4300 is running at a 67% OC.

It would be much more helpful in these forums if people were to report facts where they are required. And if they have no facts, BTFO (if you need a translation, ask me...)

T42

Mind you I was one of the ones who will tell you the Artic Freezer is a fine heatsink and it does just fine doing a mild over clock....

So what again is your issue???

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Team42

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Gerr
The ACF7P DOES compete with the top dog HSF coolers at stock and low to moderate overclocking. It's only during extreme overclocking that the top dogs pull away. This is EXACTLY what Anandtech says.

And some people did trash my choice of HSF even for low to moderate overclocking, and it's those people who I am poking fun at.

Yes some people probably did....


It is my opinion that you don`t need anything more than a generic heatsink --one that came with your CPU if you are going to be running your CPU at stock.

Also it is my opinion that unless your going to be bumping your CPU past 10% overclock almost any after market heatsink will do the trick. Even then some stock heatsinks will work just fine!


The bottom line is not to lash out at those who belittled your choice.

The bottom line as with anything wre purchase is are you happy?

Peace!!

I'm with Gerr.

He wasn't asking about stock or extreme overclocking.. He was asking for advice for a mild overclock, and reporting back on the "advice" given which, frankly, appears to me to be very subjective.

I'm sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. I use an ACF7P and I am very happy with it. And my e4300 is running at a 67% OC.

It would be much more helpful in these forums if people were to report facts where they are required. And if they have no facts, BTFO (if you need a translation, ask me...)

T42

Mind you I was one of the ones who will tell you the Artic Freezer is a fine heatsink and it does just fine doing a mild over clock....

I also have in my collection Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro and I also have an old Frezzer 64 Pro.


So what again is your issue???

 

[swtethan]

I would like to see future heatsink reviews using quad cores.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: swtethan
I would like to see future heatsink reviews using quad cores.

B3's at 1.5V >3,6GHz specifically with the cooler/board on its side to simulate working in a case. That's the torture test of all cooling.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: swtethan
I would like to see future heatsink reviews using quad cores.

B3's at 1.5V >3,6GHz specifically with the cooler/board on its side to simulate working in a case. That's the torture test of all cooling.

..... thats near 300W load..

And only cuz you mentioned it.... you dont think ive tried? LOL.

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...73/aigomorla/Q6600.jpg


just like to note. well another ABIT IP35-E rant... THATS the SAME IDENTICAL CPU in that horrid board that wouldnt boot past 3.4ghz. I really hate abit now. :T

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: swtethan
I would like to see future heatsink reviews using quad cores.

Would it be a better test of the over-all cooling performance of the heatsinks?

Absolutely.

Is it the ideal method for testing heatsinks? NO!

I would like to see teh re-testing of all current and the future testing of heatsinks done on a hot-plate with multiple fixed wattages to represent idle and load on different processors so that we can ensure there is no in-consistancy in results. I would also like to see there be a standard set of fans, 3 total. A120mm fan that moves about 50cfm, a 92mm fan that moves 50cfm and a 92mm fan that moves 38cfm. I would like to see all 120mm capable heatsinks testing with said 120mm 50cfm fan and with their factory shipped fan, if applicable and I would like to see all 92mm fans tested with both the 50cfm and the 38cfm fan as well as their factory fan if applicable. I would like to see them tested at 80, 150 and 300 watts of heat-load and without any other fans within a 1 meter radius and within a temperature controlled enviroment so that all tests are conducted with ambients within 1c of the baseline and reported. Finally I'd like to see graphs of the data including decibles, degrees and delta's to account for stated ambient variations and to show a heatsinks ability to cope with greater loads, 80-150 and 80-300 deltas woudl tell you a lot about the actual effectiveness of the heatsink.

Do i actually think this is going to happen? no.

 

[toadeater]

Xigmatek HDT-S1283 / Kingwin RVT-12025 is the new ACF7. You can't beat it in price-performance-ease of use. Unless you specifically want 92mm, then the ACF7 or Coolermaster TX2 are both good.

New improved version (quieter fan, nickel plating) of the HDT-S1283:

http://www.xigmatek.com/produc...r-redscorpions1283.php

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: toadeater
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 / Kingwin RVT-12025 is the new ACF7. You can't beat it in price-performance-ease of use. Unless you specifically want 92mm, then the ACF7 or Coolermaster TX2 are both good.

New improved version (quieter fan, nickel plating) of the HDT-S1283:

http://www.xigmatek.com/produc...r-redscorpions1283.php

Not to thread jack but, any news about when the red scorpion is going to hit cahnnels while I was away?

 

[toadeater]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12

Originally posted by: toadeater
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 / Kingwin RVT-12025 is the new ACF7. You can't beat it in price-performance-ease of use. Unless you specifically want 92mm, then the ACF7 or Coolermaster TX2 are both good.

New improved version (quieter fan, nickel plating) of the HDT-S1283:

http://www.xigmatek.com/produc...r-redscorpions1283.php

Not to thread jack but, any news about when the red scorpion is going to hit cahnnels while I was away?

I have no idea. But I am hoping soon, because I am about to upgrade and will have to buy something over the next couple of weeks. Then I'll post my temps and any other findings about it. I'm not going to bother testing it for gravity anomalies.

 

[40sTheme]

I smell something that went wrong during this test... there's no way the ACF7Pro can OC only 100MHZ~ less than TRUE. That's ridiculous. I'm in a better cooled case than AT and my F7Pro gets up to 32C idle and 50C load; only at 2150MHz... same ambient temps, 22C.

 

[bigpow]

Gerr, you're an adult.
Would you jump over the cliff if everybody tell you so?

They were only trying to help you out.
Don't blame them for what you couldn't decide for yourself.

The same goes with reading any article or news.
Just because you saw it on the internet, doesn't mean it's true.

Why don't you buy and try them yourself, and then come back with your findings.
We'd certainly appreciate that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12

Originally posted by: toadeater
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 / Kingwin RVT-12025 is the new ACF7. You can't beat it in price-performance-ease of use. Unless you specifically want 92mm, then the ACF7 or Coolermaster TX2 are both good.

New improved version (quieter fan, nickel plating) of the HDT-S1283:

http://www.xigmatek.com/produc...r-redscorpions1283.php

Not to thread jack but, any news about when the red scorpion is going to hit cahnnels while I was away?

Then start your own thread....

 

[Gerr]

Originally posted by: bigpow
Gerr, you're an adult.
Would you jump over the cliff if everybody tell you so?

They were only trying to help you out.
Don't blame them for what you couldn't decide for yourself.

The same goes with reading any article or news.
Just because you saw it on the internet, doesn't mean it's true.

Why don't you buy and try them yourself, and then come back with your findings.
We'd certainly appreciate that.

First of all, I didn't jump off the cliff like most people recommended, I chose a path outside the norm and I am very happy with my choice, even though some people said otherwise.

I know people were trying to help out, but I was surprised at the number of narrow-minded people who basically said that you needed one of the best coolers to do any sort of successful OC'ing. My post was designed to poke a little fun at them, but also to make them aware that the world of CPU coolers isn't so black & white. There are many shades of gray that would work for a lot of people when it comes to CPU coolers and to only recommend the big boys for every OC situation isn't giving good advice.

I read a number of reviews on the ACF7P before I bought it, and most reviews were very positive. While I do realize that Anandtech's review would be one of the most positive reviews out there, I had to raise an eye brow when they said that the ACF7P can come within 100Mhz OC of the big boys. Do I take reviews as stone cold facts, no, but they do start to paint a picture and when a number of reviews say something similar, then I do start to form an opinion based on what they said, which I later proved to be true.

The purpose of asking is that I don't have enough money to buy several of them and try each one out. I made my choice after getting a couple recommendations and doing some research, and my results are in my original post.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12

Originally posted by: toadeater
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 / Kingwin RVT-12025 is the new ACF7. You can't beat it in price-performance-ease of use. Unless you specifically want 92mm, then the ACF7 or Coolermaster TX2 are both good.

New improved version (quieter fan, nickel plating) of the HDT-S1283:

http://www.xigmatek.com/produc...r-redscorpions1283.php

Not to thread jack but, any news about when the red scorpion is going to hit cahnnels while I was away?

Then start your own thread....

Who made you thread Nazi?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12

Originally posted by: toadeater
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 / Kingwin RVT-12025 is the new ACF7. You can't beat it in price-performance-ease of use. Unless you specifically want 92mm, then the ACF7 or Coolermaster TX2 are both good.

New improved version (quieter fan, nickel plating) of the HDT-S1283:

http://www.xigmatek.com/produc...r-redscorpions1283.php

Not to thread jack but, any news about when the red scorpion is going to hit cahnnels while I was away?

Then start your own thread....

Who made you thread Nazi?

why not?
Who made you the thread Nazi Nazi??

 

[Gillbot]

I love my AC 7Fpro and I got it for $11.99 from newegg no rebates. My brother got the same CPU I got (E6550) but he got the TRUE and guess what, we run the same exact top speeds @ 3501MHz!