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SSSnail said:
5 yards, automatic first down for looking at a receiver. I get it that this is preseason, but seems to me that this is the only thing that was emphasized and the penalty outweighs the offense.

Watch the games and tell me if this wasn't the only thing that got called on, and with a lot more frequency.
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My post clearly didn't get through. THEY ARE CALLING THINGS JUST TO CALL THEM. If these types of calls continue into the regular season, then you have a reason to be worried. But like I said, this happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
 
I'm no physiologist but I would think if they were to re-imagine pads (specifically helmets/shoulder pads) to be constructed using more (or entirely?) soft material it could help maintain a balance between safety and the hard-hitting nature of the game people enjoy. Would probably be hard to find appropriate facial protection, but man they've got the money to do some R&D 😛
 
Chapbass said:
My post clearly didn't get through. THEY ARE CALLING THINGS JUST TO CALL THEM. If these types of calls continue into the regular season, then you have a reason to be worried. But like I said, this happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
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No, you said they call everything, which is not true. They only call on defensive illegal contacts more, and introduced new penalties for it. Everything else is the same, offensive illegal contacts don't get called or rarely, no new penalties; offensive holdings don't get called or rarely, no new penalties...

So, what is it about my posts that are not getting through to you?
 
SSSnail said:
No, you said they call everything, which is not true. They only call on defensive illegal contacts more, and introduced new penalties for it. Everything else is the same, offensive illegal contacts don't get called or rarely, no new penalties; offensive holdings don't get called or rarely, no new penalties...

So, what is it about my posts that are not getting through to you?
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We have already established the penalties are not new and the refs are setting the tone for the players to adjust.
 
smackababy said:
We have already established the penalties are not new and the refs are setting the tone for the players to adjust.
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You've established WRONG! The 5 yards, automatic first down is brand spanking new. It's designed to facilitate more and easier offensive productions, because 43 - 8.

I wonder when they're going to penalize illegal picks route... :hmm:

I'll wait till the cows to come home.
 
SSSnail said:
You've established WRONG! The 5 yards, automatic first down is brand spanking new. It's designed to facilitate more and easier offensive productions, because 43 - 8.

I wonder when they're going to penalize illegal picks route... :hmm:

I'll wait till the cows to come home.
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No. It has always been 5 yards and an automatic first down. There hasn't been any change except they are ramping up enforcement, similar to how they did in the late 90s / early 2000s.

So, if you really want to bitch about this being a Peyton Manning rule, I'd go back to the 2004 AFC Championship. That has been cited as a big reason the penalty started to surge. The NFL this year has started enforcing this rule even more, but it has always been there. The refs aren't adding new penalties (this is fucking pass interference; you're lucky it isn't first down at the spot of the foul), they are enforcing long standing rules people have been ignoring.

OILFIELDTRASH said:
I take it you haven't watched much basketball. Shaq had great touch and good footwork. Yes it helped he was a monster but he was not without a serious amount of skill.
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And with every post you make in this thread, it proves further you have no idea about high level football, or any sport, for that matter. While any professional athlete has the physical gifts required in different sports, they don't have the skills. If you actually think being a professional football player doesn't take extreme skill, you are a moron and have never played football in any capacity.

Also, Shaq would be a terrible football player. He would get stood up by every OL in the league on defense. He might have a chance as an OL, except nobody could see over his big ass and the taller someone is, the worse their knees, in terms of football.
 
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People cried the same way when the NFL stepped up enforcement of this rule in 2004. Enforcement comes and goes. It was necessary after last year. Defeneses will adjust, the get more agressive over time as refs stop calling it as much. Just like 2004 to present. Rinse and repeat.
 
purbeast0 said:
this thread is now about shaq. god damn shaq is so awesome.
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Fuck it - a little shake, a little tingle, a little shake, a little tingle...

PI is if a catchable ball was thrown and illegal contacts are made; this is just any contacts, anywhere after 5 yards from scrimmage. Anyways, can someone care to tell me when the 5 yards automatic first down penalty for illegal contact was first introduced? Because I don't know, and I've never, ever seen then until this year.
 
brandonb said:
NFL still exists? I haven't even seen or heard of football since 1998 when Randy Moss was a big thing for the Vikings.
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Why bother to comment then 🙂

I liked Sapp better than Shaq, to steer it back to football.

But I'm that way as far as the NBA I guess.
 
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Just the modus operandi from this OP, showing his stupidity. Also a fair-weather fan to boot.
 
SSSnail said:
Fuck it - a little shake, a little tingle, a little shake, a little tingle...

PI is if a catchable ball was thrown and illegal contacts are made; this is just any contacts, anywhere after 5 yards from scrimmage. Anyways, can someone care to tell me when the 5 yards automatic first down penalty for illegal contact was first introduced? Because I don't know, and I've never, ever seen then until this year.
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It happened quite a lot in the years past. Just off the top of my head (while searching for when the rule was introduced) last year it happened 6 times against the Browns to a total of 30 yards given up.

The only reason it isn't called PI is because you are obstructing the receiver before the QB can even throw the ball. If the ball was already in the air, it would be PI.
 
smackababy said:
It happened quite a lot in the years past. Just off the top of my head (while searching for when the rule was introduced) last year it happened 6 times against the Browns to a total of 30 yards given up.

The only reason it isn't called PI is because you are obstructing the receiver before the QB can even throw the ball. If the ball was already in the air, it would be PI.
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No, I get the illegal contact rules after 5 yards from scrimmage and yardage penalties have always been there. I'm struggling to find the automatic first down part, because you know, unless every damn news outlets are wrong and you know something they don't, they all said that it was introduced this year.

That is, of course, if you can produce evidence to the contrary.
 
SSSnail said:
No, I get the illegal contact rules after 5 yards from scrimmage and yardage penalties have always been there. I'm struggling to find the automatic first down part, because you know, unless every damn news outlets are wrong and you know something they don't, they all said that it was introduced this year.

That is, of course, if you can produce evidence to the contrary.
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I can't seen a single instance of it being a new rule, just enforcement of the old rule.

"Tighter policing" - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-for-washington-new-england-preseason-opener/

And here is one from 2004 that looks just like the one above - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=1840261
 
I bet you ignored the hundreds of articles about it being a new rule this year to come up with something obscure in your search.
 
SSSnail said:
I bet you ignored the hundreds of articles about it being a new rule this year to come up with something obscure in your search.
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It is not a new rule, they are just stepping up enforcement. Why does it matter if some shoddy reporter got it wrong? Can you provide links to these hundreds of articles so we know which reporters to ignore?
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
I take it you haven't watched much basketball. Shaq had great touch and good footwork. Yes it helped he was a monster but he was not without a serious amount of skill.
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I bet you could park any tall defensive lineman under the basket and he could miss enough free throws to qualify as god's gift to the sport of basketball, and he'd also run circles around Shaq.
 
JD50 said:
It is not a new rule, they are just stepping up enforcement. Why does it matter if some shoddy reporter got it wrong? Can you provide links to these hundreds of articles so we know which reporters to ignore?
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I don't know, NFL.com, espn.com, sports sites, etc... I'm on my phone, too lazy to search. I thought they even mentioned it during the broadcast, although I could be hearing things... D:

http://www.google.com/m/search?q=il...u&sa=X&ei=bFflU9SPN4T1oAS084GABQ&ved=0CDEQkSU
 
SSSnail said:
I don't know, NFL.com, espn.com, sports sites, etc... I'm on my phone, too lazy to search. I thought they even mentioned it during the broadcast, although I could be hearing things... D:

http://www.google.com/m/search?q=il...u&sa=X&ei=bFflU9SPN4T1oAS084GABQ&ved=0CDEQkSU
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Not one of those links say that it is a new rule or that an automatic first down is new. Here's the gist of it from one of those articles...

Leavy told us that NFL brass does not want jersey pulls and tugs from defensive players on offensive players. So if referees see jersey pulls, they are supposed to call it. Leavy said referees used to factor in whether or not the jersey pull impeded the receiver. But now officials cannot factor that into whether or not they will throw a flag.
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That is the only difference. It has been an automatic first down since the rule was put in place years ago.
 
Football blows. I only watch because I'm in a competitive fantasy football league and it's more tradition than actually caring about who wins or loses the games.
 
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