Fooling polygraph tests

[ryzmah]

Originally posted by: jimmygates

Originally posted by: ryzmah

Originally posted by: jimmygates

If Krassus is testing for a federal agency (FBI, ATF, CIA, etc etc) don't you think it's important he disclose as much as possible? Granted I believe employers are not allowed to ask certain questions regarding religion, sexual orientation which I believe should be kept private. I highly doubt ANY agency administering the polygraph will ask candidates stupid questions like "Do you masterbate," etc etc. Most polygraph examinations ask questions regarding past experiences with drugs, employers and friends. The test will show if a person has integrity or not. Would you really let someone with integrity issues manage the evidence locker and be our main source of protection?



-Jimbo

They didn't ask me anything about sexual orientation but the agency I applied with did psychological screening about satisfaction with sex life as well as asking questions about following the law - including whether I had illegally obtained any software or mp3's. Also, the investigators do inquire about your religion if it's clear it's an important part of your life - I know they did some interviews with my pastor to check whether my church's belief system was anything they should be concerned with. However, most of the polygraph questions were about drug use, treason, felonies, and then checking if you were honest in filling out your security forms.

Wow, what agency was this for? I remember for my Psychological written/interview I had to sign like 3-4 waivers stating that the test was voluntary and all answers given were at my own will. During the Psychological interview I remember them asking if I was satisfied with my sex life. I just answered yes and they moved on. My meaning of sexual orientation meant if you were straight, gay, transexual etc etc. They never asked about my religious background during the polygraph but they may in the psychological interview.



-Jimbo

I'm applying for a position with the NSA - I'm pretty sure I've cleared security, just waiting for the hiring board to meet. I had the same issue with the waivers that you had and was told that while it was voluntary, if I wasn't willing to take the tests it was unlikely I would be granted security clearance. The religion thing came from the department of defense investigator - the "how do you spend your time" questions pointed out that I was active in my church, so they had to check to make sure that there wasn't a conflict between loyalty to the government and my religious beliefs.

 

[Conky]

Polygraph tests work on the assumption they can fool the tested person into thinking they can read your mind and make you nervous.

And the biggest indicator of a person lying according to polygraph user manuals is a reduced level of breathing, hence the breathing apparatus. People who lie tend to hold their breath or breath shallow.

So I say hyperventilate until the test is over, be sure and flex your leg muscles and clench your teeth when asked the basic "non-stressful" test questions, and remember that the whole premise of a polypgraph test is that they are trying to scare you into baring your soul and that it's total bs.

No machine can read minds and this is why it's not legal in a court of law, even in the USA. 😛

 

[jimmygates]

Originally posted by: ryzmah

Originally posted by: jimmygates

Originally posted by: ryzmah

Originally posted by: jimmygates

If Krassus is testing for a federal agency (FBI, ATF, CIA, etc etc) don't you think it's important he disclose as much as possible? Granted I believe employers are not allowed to ask certain questions regarding religion, sexual orientation which I believe should be kept private. I highly doubt ANY agency administering the polygraph will ask candidates stupid questions like "Do you masterbate," etc etc. Most polygraph examinations ask questions regarding past experiences with drugs, employers and friends. The test will show if a person has integrity or not. Would you really let someone with integrity issues manage the evidence locker and be our main source of protection?



-Jimbo

They didn't ask me anything about sexual orientation but the agency I applied with did psychological screening about satisfaction with sex life as well as asking questions about following the law - including whether I had illegally obtained any software or mp3's. Also, the investigators do inquire about your religion if it's clear it's an important part of your life - I know they did some interviews with my pastor to check whether my church's belief system was anything they should be concerned with. However, most of the polygraph questions were about drug use, treason, felonies, and then checking if you were honest in filling out your security forms.

Wow, what agency was this for? I remember for my Psychological written/interview I had to sign like 3-4 waivers stating that the test was voluntary and all answers given were at my own will. During the Psychological interview I remember them asking if I was satisfied with my sex life. I just answered yes and they moved on. My meaning of sexual orientation meant if you were straight, gay, transexual etc etc. They never asked about my religious background during the polygraph but they may in the psychological interview.



-Jimbo

I'm applying for a position with the NSA - I'm pretty sure I've cleared security, just waiting for the hiring board to meet. I had the same issue with the waivers that you had and was told that while it was voluntary, if I wasn't willing to take the tests it was unlikely I would be granted security clearance. The religion thing came from the department of defense investigator - the "how do you spend your time" questions pointed out that I was active in my church, so they had to check to make sure that there wasn't a conflict between loyalty to the government and my religious beliefs.

So there was a legitiment reason why they poked around your religious background. I can see the reason for it considering your applying for such a high clearance position. What I was getting to was some examiners will ask your religous background and single you out because you belonged to a certain religion.



-Jimbo

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: B00ne
A polygraph is an esoteric unscientific and unreliable method - hence not allowed in court - except in the US but what else is new

They are not allowed in court in the US. Once again B00ne you look like a tool. What else is new?

Ohh sorry about that - in movies they always use them - so I figured....

 

[T2T III]

I had one polygraph as a condition of pre-employment with a certain Government agency. I was (read: was) a straight-shooting, moralized individual (before Anandtech changed all this) and the polygraph test was the most de-moralizing and humiliating event that I've evar, EVAR been through. Never again - EVAR!!!

Forget about fooling a polygraph - just worry about getting through one first. 😉

 

[NetGuySC]

I heard that if you get a thumb tack and put it beneath your big toe and then depress the tac with your toe on every answer, that this will confuse the test immensely.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: NetGuySC
I heard that if you get a thumb tack and put it beneath your big toe and then depress the tac with your toe on every answer, that this will confuse the test immensely.

You will NOT "pass" the test.

As I outlined above (twice) - it's a "piece of cake" to PASS a polygraph while LYING. 😛

It is such BS "technology" - the 21st century equivalent of the "witch trials". When people stop "fearing" these STUPID testss, perhaps something REALLY EFFECTIVE may take its place.
😉

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: B00ne
A polygraph is an esoteric unscientific and unreliable method - hence not allowed in court - except in the US but what else is new

They are not allowed in court in the US. Once again B00ne you look like a tool. What else is new?

Ohh sorry about that - in movies they always use them - so I figured....

HAHAHA taking your knowledge from movies.

Let me guess you also hate jews, beating them any chance you get, and have a shaved head?

Silly German......

 

[Lounatik]

How to beat a polygraph test: Drink about 1-2 glasses of wine about a 1/2 to an hour before the test and spray your fingers with unscented,powder free anti-perspirant. Worked for me!



Peace



Lounatik

 

[3L33T32003]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Lots and Lots of valium before the test.

Pretty close. A good dose of painkillers or other kind of downers before the test will work.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: 3L33T32003

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Lots and Lots of valium before the test.

Pretty close. A good dose of painkillers or other kind of downers before the test will work.

No it won't. You are still going to react to questions other than the control.

 

[apoppin]

Actually an examiner told me it is easier to test someone who is on "downers" . . . their REACTIONS are even more noticeable.

You guys haven't a CLUE about beating the polygraph (as usual). 😛

And it is SO EASY too. :Q