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Food Stamps: Repub bill to require more people to work

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glenn1 said:
Not opposed to this in theory although implementation is a big factor. I also presume this would mostly replace traditional welfare (although it could supplement for the highly disabled, etc.)
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There is the small matter of how to pay for it, higher taxes being the only realistic way to do so. You obviously don't support that.
 
FelixDeCat said:
Pfft. Even Darwin was smart enough to know that "survival of the fittest" is natural law. Those who cannot work, get unemployment insurance. Those who smoke pot and dont bother looking for a job whilst collecting benefits, perish.
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"Social Darwinism" is pure quakery, and is in no way related to Darwin's concept of fitness. Social employment is not a factor that acts upon natural selection.
 
glenn1 said:
Did you lose your house in the crash? Perhaps that's why you have such a Captain Ahab like fixation with lashing out at the rich and thinking they somehow are responsible for your plight and the plight of others. Did you watch your dreams crushed, your credit rating torpedoed, and the home you used to live in taken by the bank to be sold instead to someone who was better at managing their money than you?
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So again with the "didn't happen to me, so don't care and it probably didn't really happen anyway because it was their fault in the end" attitude.

Gee, it's a wonder that you still get so much flack for this attitude in contemporary, advanced society! 😀
 
I think its fine.

The people voted for it, so they have a right to see what they voted for.

CAVEAT EMPTOR
 
SMOGZINN said:
The headline is a bit misleading. It did not 'fall flat' it was an experiment that the government is now ending in order to peruse other concepts. It looks like they are going to test Universal Credit or Negative Income Tax next. The reality is that they don't like UBI because it is not socialist enough.
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Oh really? Link?
 
ch33zw1z said:
https://amp.businessinsider.com/finland-to-end-basic-income-experiment-2018-4

And in reply to prior quote, I know as much as reported on, just like you. What will happen is an extensive review of the findings.
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Meanwhile the Finnish Parliament recently passed a new law which requires job seekers to work a minimum of 18 hours or enter a training program within three months and stipulates that if they don't manage to find a job, they lose some of their benefits.

Regardless...I'm a huge proponent of money for nothing (and chicks for free)....assuming, of course, that I'm the beneficiary and not the one who has to pay for it.
 
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Jhhnn said:
There is the small matter of how to pay for it, higher taxes being the only realistic way to do so. You obviously don't support that.
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If it replaces welfare then we can use those savings to pay for much of it, and the rest can made up in taxes which should be relatively broad-based if not payroll taxes. I don't normally oppose taxes when they're used for things which basically benefit all relatively equally, I always oppose people like you whose primary objective is to use taxes as a weapon against the rich to fight your "inequality wars."
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Meanwhile the Finnish Parliament recently passed a new law which requires job seekers to work a minimum of 18 hours or enter a training program within three months and stipulates that if they don't manage to find a job, they lose some of their benefits.

Regardless...I'm a huge proponent of money for nothing (and chicks for free)....assuming, of course, that I'm the beneficiary and not the one who has to pay for it.
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I read the article. Glad you may have also. You asked for link wrt to their next steps, and they will test other options in the coming years.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I read the article. Glad you may have also. You asked for link wrt to their next steps, and they will test other options in the coming years.
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I did read the article (and several others as well)....no "may" about it. To me, it looks like the Financial Minister and Finnish Parliament are going different directions.
 
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Doc Savage Fan said:
I did read the article (and several others as well)....no "may" about it. To me, it looks like the Financial Minister and Finnish Parliament are going different directions.
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For the time being, the parliament seems to be. But, they are elected officials afaik, so that may or may not bode well for them.
 
I believe we should look to the fake christian god of jesus to find out how he would handle this.
Is there some quotation in that fictional bible thing along the lines of:
"hey, we wanna feed the poor people"
"thou shall not feed them, they must be punished for their laziness! Only slaves who work shall be allowed food"

Fellix, you seem like you might be into the whole jesus charade, perhaps you can confirm?
 
glenn1 said:
If it replaces welfare then we can use those savings to pay for much of it, and the rest can made up in taxes which should be relatively broad-based if not payroll taxes. I don't normally oppose taxes when they're used for things which basically benefit all relatively equally, I always oppose people like you whose primary objective is to use taxes as a weapon against the rich to fight your "inequality wars."
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Yeh, beat the cash out of the little guys, obviously.

Equality wars? Do I need to quote Warren Buffet on class warfare? The Rich have been waging it on the rest of us since Reagan. Pardon us for thinking we need to fight back with the implements at our disposal.
 
BurnItDwn said:
I believe we should look to the fake christian god of jesus to find out how he would handle this.
Is there some quotation in that fictional bible thing along the lines of:
"hey, we wanna feed the poor people"
"thou shall not feed them, they must be punished for their laziness! Only slaves who work shall be allowed food"

Fellix, you seem like you might be into the whole jesus charade, perhaps you can confirm?
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Yeah I kinda remember that line Jesus said about not healing the sick or feeding the poor because that was the government’s job and besides the rich should pay for it.
 
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