Follow up on the Lance Armstong "scandal"

[yllus]

I don't really follow cycling, but he's won quite a bit since 2001, correct? Isn't the fact that he's been tested for it since then and yet remains at the top of the pack proof that he probably wasn't taking anything?

 

[kwjake]

French :thumbsdown:

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't really follow cycling, but he's won quite a bit since 2001, correct? Isn't the fact that he's been tested for it since then and yet remains at the top of the pack proof that he probably wasn't taking anything?

you would think...

but if you're french, AND you have a major boner for cycling, AND your country sucks at cycling, AND you constantly are losing to AN AMERICAN, AND you stink and don't know the meaning of hygiene, then you kinda of lose all sense of reason.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't really follow cycling, but he's won quite a bit since 2001, correct? Isn't the fact that he's been tested for it since then and yet remains at the top of the pack proof that he probably wasn't taking anything?

Not just tested, tested constantly. If he's doping it's something not even on the UCI radar at this point.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't really follow cycling, but he's won quite a bit since 2001, correct? Isn't the fact that he's been tested for it since then and yet remains at the top of the pack proof that he probably wasn't taking anything?

you would think...

but if you're french, AND you have a major boner for cycling, AND your country sucks at cycling, AND you constantly are losing to AN AMERICAN, AND you stink and don't know the meaning of hygiene, then you kinda of lose all sense of reason.

add the fact that he's a texan and bush is in office...lol🙂 perfect storm.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
be honest, that's the crux of it right there.

you like lance, you hate the french therefore no matter what, lance was right.

most people like to hate barry bonds so no matter what, he used steroids.

it's more about like and dislike than it is about the facts.

As much as I dislike Barroid, Plat is right on this one, to a degree. The fact that Bonds is such an ass probably has something to do with most people bashing him as well.

No, when Barry Bonds says he didn't use steroids, I don't believe him because he ballooned up to gigantor size in like a year and turned a solid basehitting career into a homerun-hitting career.

This is a huge misconception. I saw a collection of photographs of him from each year he was in the league and he did not suddenly blow up to 'gigantor size'. He gradually increased size over the years and wasn't noticed until he had the 73 season because he was on TV all the time and people were always paying attention to him.

Also, Barry will never be known as having a home run-hitting career by anyone who knows baseball at all. If you look at his numbers you will note that he is probably the most statistically well rounded player to ever grace the game. Home runs, stolen bases, golden gloves, etc.

hehe I can't believe people still stick up for that roid-monster.

sheesh@!

Nice argument buddy. Who says I was sticking up for him? I just pointed out the misconception along with the fact that he had a great career before he became 'gigantor'. Do I think he used 'roids? Absolutely. Do I think a hefty % of our athletes use/used 'roids? Absolutely.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't really follow cycling, but he's won quite a bit since 2001, correct? Isn't the fact that he's been tested for it since then and yet remains at the top of the pack proof that he probably wasn't taking anything?

you would think...

but if you're french, AND you have a major boner for cycling, AND your country sucks at cycling, AND you constantly are losing to AN AMERICAN, AND you stink and don't know the meaning of hygiene, then you kinda of lose all sense of reason.

lol

In all fairness of course, I'm sure not all French cycling fans hate the guy/America. If anything, it's just the press. And it's not like our press is of impeccable quality itself.

/me stares at front page story of his daily newspaper titled, 'Pipe leaks feces into creek'

THIS IS NOT NEWS THAT BELONGS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE COUNTRY'S LARGEST DAILY! 😛

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
be honest, that's the crux of it right there.

you like lance, you hate the french therefore no matter what, lance was right.

most people like to hate barry bonds so no matter what, he used steroids.

it's more about like and dislike than it is about the facts.

As much as I dislike Barroid, Plat is right on this one, to a degree. The fact that Bonds is such an ass probably has something to do with most people bashing him as well.

No, when Barry Bonds says he didn't use steroids, I don't believe him because he ballooned up to gigantor size in like a year and turned a solid basehitting career into a homerun-hitting career.

This is a huge misconception. I saw a collection of photographs of him from each year he was in the league and he did not suddenly blow up to 'gigantor size'. He gradually increased size over the years and wasn't noticed until he had the 73 season because he was on TV all the time and people were always paying attention to him.

Also, Barry will never be known as having a home run-hitting career by anyone who knows baseball at all. If you look at his numbers you will note that he is probably the most statistically well rounded player to ever grace the game. Home runs, stolen bases, golden gloves, etc.

hehe I can't believe people still stick up for that roid-monster.

sheesh@!

Nice argument buddy. Who says I was sticking up for him? I just pointed out the misconception along with the fact that he had a great career before he became 'gigantor'. Do I think he used 'roids? Absolutely. Do I think a hefty % of our athletes use/used 'roids? Absolutely.

ok fair enough.

ROID-MONSTER

ok im done now....

*cough* ROIDS *cough*

😱

 

[JulesMaximus]

Good, I hope L'Equipe gets dragged through the mud for this one. It just pisses me off that there is so much attention paid to this story with no actual proof.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
again as you say, half the ML uses, probably true, but they turn on barry a lot worse than they have on mcgwire. fact is, there is a double standard where barry is involved. yes, he is abrasive etc, i bet most of us, if we had our candid statements all aired would come off sounding pretty damn abrasive. i'm also willing to bet many news agencies intentionaly misuse barry's statements to make him sound worse than he is.

Barry? Is that you? 😛

Seriously, get over it. The guy's a d1ck. Always has been.

#1 reason I hate Barry Bonds: He wants the home run record, and he's said so himself numerous times. But that record above all others he does not deserve. Why? Because he uses steroids. If you don't think he uses steroids, you're an idiot and I can't help you with that.

#2 reason I hate Barry Bonds: He constantly pulls out the race card. He thinks the media is bad to him just because he's black. How ridiculous is that? Many of the guys that report on the terrible sh1t he says are black. I know black guys that can't stand him... are they racist?

As far as McGwire is concerned, he's a nice guy, he took a PAY CUT to go to St. Louis (which Barry Bonds would NEVER do as he only cares about money and records), and the image of him crying when he gave all that money to the children's charities will never get out of my head.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Yreka
That is a very valid point, but couldn't the same also be said about the French ?

BINGO! The French hate the guy just because he's American. They think he's arrogant... seriously, can you believe that? I'd say he's confident, but the word arrogant would never cross my mind when it comes to him.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Ilmater
I don't care if he used drugs or not, he for sure wasn't using it during his last 5 wins (they've been able to test for this drug since 2001), and if that's the case, why is it so unbelievable that he wouldn't have used anything in his first two?

Plus, I hate the French and they hate Lance, so simple math says "I <3 Lance Armstrong."

be honest, that's the crux of it right there.

you like lance, you hate the french therefore no matter what, lance was right.

most people like to hate barry bonds so no matter what, he used steroids.

it's more about like and dislike than it is about the facts.

The thing is, Bonds doesn't get tested like Lance does. Lance gets tested constantly during the season and offseason. On top of that, they're random tests; he has no idea when they're going to appear and want blood/urine. Half the MLB would be gone if that were the case. Because of the very extensive testing, I'm inclined to believe Lance.

again as you say, half the ML uses, probably true, but they turn on barry a lot worse than they have on mcgwire. fact is, there is a double standard where barry is involved. yes, he is abrasive etc, i bet most of us, if we had our candid statements all aired would come off sounding pretty damn abrasive. i'm also willing to bet many news agencies intentionaly misuse barry's statements to make him sound worse than he is.

Yes there was a double standard for a while while the rumors was going on but there are a few diferences.

1) Barry already admited he used streroids in fron tof Congress. His interpretation is that those were creams....yeah.
Lance have never admited to anything or been proved of any wrong doing(a 1999 blood sample tested by the French 7 yrs later is a joke)

2) Lance were regularly tested over the yrs extensively while Bonds were not.

3) While Bonds would be be a HOF, he has ridicously eye-popping numbers after he turned 32 which is usually the decline for players. That lead me to think hes using enhancement drugs which he did admitedly used.