Focus RS vs Evo X

[fbrdphreak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I was a bit surprised. The RS is a bit lighter and more powerful, right? I guess FWD really does kill it on the track. That said, I think FWD is okay for the street as long as you aren't going all out. I beat on a Mazdaspeed3 when I was shopping and the understeer/torque steer wasn't too bad. Hell my LGT understeers like hell thanks to the sloppy suspension.

 

[ballmode]

Ford does well in europe, wish they would bring some of those cars here

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Hell my LGT understeers like hell thanks to the sloppy suspension.

Well fix it. It doesn't take much to significantly reduce that behavior.

 

[ayabe]

Yeah it's lighter and has more juice, but there's some electronic gimmicks going on, the RS puts out very pathetic acceleration numbers for it's HP and weight, I think 0-60 is in the 5.6-5.8 second range.

Edit - Much like the MS3, putting HP numbers down to sell cars but not allowing the driver to access that power until 3rd gear.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Yeah it's lighter and has more juice, but there's some electronic gimmicks going on, the RS puts out very pathetic acceleration numbers for it's HP and weight, I think 0-60 is in the 5.6-5.8 second range.

Edit - Much like the MS3, putting HP numbers down to sell cars but not allowing the driver to access that power until 3rd gear.

The euros measure 0-62 times differently. A 2005 Golf GTI in UK's official VW numbers is a 7.2 second 0-62mph car, whereas in US tests, 6.3s is more like it, generally I find they are much more conservative with acceleration numbers.

 

[Mide]

Yeah I don't see why Ford doesn't bring over the Mondeo. I'm a lifetime Honda fan but I'd totally buy this domestic car if it was available.

 

[RichUK]

FWD sucks.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Hell my LGT understeers like hell thanks to the sloppy suspension.

Well fix it. It doesn't take much to significantly reduce that behavior.

Let me pull the $1K for Bilsteins/Pinks/Cobb sways/roll center correction/alignment out of my ass...don't think I haven't thought about it!

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Hell my LGT understeers like hell thanks to the sloppy suspension.

Well fix it. It doesn't take much to significantly reduce that behavior.

Let me pull the $1K for Bilsteins/Pinks/Cobb sways/roll center correction/alignment out of my ass...don't think I haven't thought about it!

Just go for sways dude, that's like 85.299999% of the problem.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Hell my LGT understeers like hell thanks to the sloppy suspension.

Well fix it. It doesn't take much to significantly reduce that behavior.

Let me pull the $1K for Bilsteins/Pinks/Cobb sways/roll center correction/alignment out of my ass...don't think I haven't thought about it!

Just go for sways dude, that's like 85.299999% of the problem.

I disagree. The car is underdamped and undersprung, as well as lacking roll stiffness. Brake dive and acceleration squat are very prominent as well and adding roll stiffness alone won't fix those. I have ridden in a Spec.B with Pink springs and Cobb sways, on stock tires, and it handled amazingly with excellent ride quality. Won't get that from sways alone.

Writeups on the modded Spec.B:
http://jimsgarage.wordpress.co...egacy-gt-specb-part-2/
http://jimsgarage.wordpress.co...-to-the-legacy-spec-b/

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Hell my LGT understeers like hell thanks to the sloppy suspension.

Well fix it. It doesn't take much to significantly reduce that behavior.

Let me pull the $1K for Bilsteins/Pinks/Cobb sways/roll center correction/alignment out of my ass...don't think I haven't thought about it!

Just go for sways dude, that's like 85.299999% of the problem.

I disagree. The car is underdamped and undersprung, as well as lacking roll stiffness. Brake dive and acceleration squat are very prominent as well and adding roll stiffness alone won't fix those. I have ridden in a Spec.B with Pink springs and Cobb sways, on stock tires, and it handled amazingly with excellent ride quality. Won't get that from sways alone.

Writeups on the modded Spec.B:
http://jimsgarage.wordpress.co...egacy-gt-specb-part-2/
http://jimsgarage.wordpress.co...-to-the-legacy-spec-b/

Body roll has always been my biggest beef with Subaru's. Of those upgrades you suggested, you'll get the most return for your $$$ on the sways IMHO, and I would go Cusco instead of Cobb so you don't have to lube 'em.