Flying the "FRIENDLY" Skies

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty pissed off about the state of our airport "security". All of these checks and limitations do nothing but complicate the already complicated process of airtravel. Do all these things that the TSA implement really help security or is it a facade that they use to let people think that they are flying safer? I mean, who wants to figure out what they can and cannot bring onto a plane. Oh, you can't bring bottled water onto the plane, because it could be a lethal substance? Maybe you could buy some inside the plane or in the concourse where it is 3x expensive and 2x smaller. Really now, are all of these regulations worth the time?

 

[Delta6Echo]

I tend to feel that the TSA are just using the "terrorist threat" angle as a means to profit. Have you looked at all the taxes you have to pay when buying airplane tickets? It sounds to me like a ploy to pull the airlines out of bankruptcy just because they decided to pay their pilots hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The real terrorists are the airline companies and the government who lets them pull this bullshit.

You and I both know it....maybe everyone else will catch on one day?

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Exactly, they're sucking the money from much more needed things, more important things. Besides, I think terrorists are smart enough to conceal what they would be using, I don't think they would have a problem finding a way to get something on board.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Given the responsibility an airline pilot holds, and the required training, and the required experience, and the higher level of danger to a normal job, I think they are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Would you rather fly on a plane with a pilot that had a skillset worth 100 grand or one with a skillset worth 40 grand?

As far as security, I've accidentally walked onto a plane with a box opener in my bag before, didn't realize it until I went to grab my ipod once we were airborn - security missed it. I didn't mention it to anyone as i didn't want to get hasseled.

I'm pretty sure they would have caught a weapon large enough to be truly dangerous, and I've never really been annoyed by the process. I mean, so I have to take off my shoes, BFD.

 

[George P Burdell]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

 

[bobert]

TSA = Thousands Standing Around

 

[gwrober]

Originally posted by: bobert
TSA = Thousands Standing Around

Taking Suitcases Apart
True Security Apathy
This Sucks Ass

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

TSA is there for a reason. Yes, security maybe a little overwhelming since we're all used to putting our stuff on a conveyor belt and simply walking through a metal detector but honestly, I'd rather jump through the hoops to know that when I'm flying I don't have to worry about weapons on the jet.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
TSA is there for a reason. Yes, security maybe a little overwhelming since we're all used to putting our stuff on a conveyor belt and simply walking through a metal detector but honestly, I'd rather jump through the hoops to know that when I'm flying I don't have to worry about weapons on the jet.

The thing is, weapons still end up on jets. People accidentally bring on knives and other items. Last week there was some woman that accidentally brought a gun onto a plane.
If people can accidentally bring on items so easily how are you going to stop some one who is determined to bring something on? You aren't. The TSA and HSA are just lip service to "security" and do little to actually secure things.

 

[Delta6Echo]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
TSA is there for a reason. Yes, security maybe a little overwhelming since we're all used to putting our stuff on a conveyor belt and simply walking through a metal detector but honestly, I'd rather jump through the hoops to know that when I'm flying I don't have to worry about weapons on the jet.

The thing is, weapons still end up on jets. People accidentally bring on knives and other items. Last week there was some woman that accidentally brought a gun onto a plane.
If people can accidentally bring on items so easily how are you going to stop some one who is determined to bring something on? You aren't. The TSA and HSA are just lip service to "security" and do little to actually secure things.

Exactly.

Oh, and paying a pilot $100,000+ doesn't make me feel safer. It just shows that the airlines are overpaying their pilots.....why should I suffer for that?

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Delta6Echo

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
TSA is there for a reason. Yes, security maybe a little overwhelming since we're all used to putting our stuff on a conveyor belt and simply walking through a metal detector but honestly, I'd rather jump through the hoops to know that when I'm flying I don't have to worry about weapons on the jet.

The thing is, weapons still end up on jets. People accidentally bring on knives and other items. Last week there was some woman that accidentally brought a gun onto a plane.
If people can accidentally bring on items so easily how are you going to stop some one who is determined to bring something on? You aren't. The TSA and HSA are just lip service to "security" and do little to actually secure things.

Exactly. Oh, and paying a pilot $100,000+ doesn't make me feel safer. It just shows that the airlines are overpaying their pilots.....why should I suffer for that?

Total bullcrap.

You think $100K is too much for an airline pilot?

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
TSA is there for a reason. Yes, security maybe a little overwhelming since we're all used to putting our stuff on a conveyor belt and simply walking through a metal detector but honestly, I'd rather jump through the hoops to know that when I'm flying I don't have to worry about weapons on the jet.

That's the problem, you still have to worry. Tell me, what is there that you could hide in your shoes that you can't also hide under your shirt or stuff down your pants? If there really is some dangerous substance that can elude metal detectors, then it can still get through. If there isn't, why are we all taking off our shoes?

I've accidentally put liquids through in my bookbag several times. I keep thinking I threw it all away, and then find out later I missed something. TSA never catches it, and they can't or won't stop all liquids from coming through. If that stuff is truly dangerous, then they aren't protecting us from it. If it isn't, then why have I had to throw out deodorant and bottled water?

 

[Delta6Echo]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Delta6Echo

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
TSA is there for a reason. Yes, security maybe a little overwhelming since we're all used to putting our stuff on a conveyor belt and simply walking through a metal detector but honestly, I'd rather jump through the hoops to know that when I'm flying I don't have to worry about weapons on the jet.

The thing is, weapons still end up on jets. People accidentally bring on knives and other items. Last week there was some woman that accidentally brought a gun onto a plane.
If people can accidentally bring on items so easily how are you going to stop some one who is determined to bring something on? You aren't. The TSA and HSA are just lip service to "security" and do little to actually secure things.

Exactly. Oh, and paying a pilot $100,000+ doesn't make me feel safer. It just shows that the airlines are overpaying their pilots.....why should I suffer for that?

Total bullcrap.

You think $100K is too much for an airline pilot?

$100,000+

 

[vidguru83]

Originally posted by: Delta6Echo

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
TSA is there for a reason. Yes, security maybe a little overwhelming since we're all used to putting our stuff on a conveyor belt and simply walking through a metal detector but honestly, I'd rather jump through the hoops to know that when I'm flying I don't have to worry about weapons on the jet.

The thing is, weapons still end up on jets. People accidentally bring on knives and other items. Last week there was some woman that accidentally brought a gun onto a plane.
If people can accidentally bring on items so easily how are you going to stop some one who is determined to bring something on? You aren't. The TSA and HSA are just lip service to "security" and do little to actually secure things.

Exactly.

Oh, and paying a pilot $100,000+ doesn't make me feel safer. It just shows that the airlines are overpaying their pilots.....why should I suffer for that?

Hi, This is totally not true for the majority of airline pilots. Only the most senior pilots (10+ years with company average, make that kind of money) And then, if they ever leave the company to another one they have to start all over again at baseline pay ranging from 18K-35K) Tell me that happens with doctors or lawyers. :roll: They are overworked, underpaid, and have much more stringent requirements to meet every 6 months or 12 months(depending on which seat they are sitting in), and add the fact that they hold your life at their hands everyday, rain or shine, thunderstorms or no thunderstorms. Delay or no delay, Emergency or Non-Emergency. Feel free to educate yourself on the "real deal" airline pilots are getting. You will be suprised. Check out airlinepilotcentral.com and jetcareers.com for some info.

Post a little longer than I wanted but I wanted to put that out there for the general public to see.

 

[homercles337]

I read something where major airports are failing miserably with secret tests. Something like only catching 2-3 out of ten.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Delta6Echo

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
TSA is there for a reason. Yes, security maybe a little overwhelming since we're all used to putting our stuff on a conveyor belt and simply walking through a metal detector but honestly, I'd rather jump through the hoops to know that when I'm flying I don't have to worry about weapons on the jet.

The thing is, weapons still end up on jets. People accidentally bring on knives and other items. Last week there was some woman that accidentally brought a gun onto a plane.
If people can accidentally bring on items so easily how are you going to stop some one who is determined to bring something on? You aren't. The TSA and HSA are just lip service to "security" and do little to actually secure things.

Exactly.

Oh, and paying a pilot $100,000+ doesn't make me feel safer. It just shows that the airlines are overpaying their pilots.....why should I suffer for that?

First of all, I highly doubt that pilots pay is even a fraction of the cost of your ticket.

Secondly, airline pilots get paid well for a damn good reason. You don't think of them much on a routine flight but if something goes wrong then trust me you don't want someone the airline went "cheap" on flying the plane that your ass happens to be strapped into.

Airport security is another thing all together. Put simply, its a joke. Most of the "security" that you encounter makes minimum wage or just above it. We all know what the results are of that but at least you don't have to "suffer" because they pay them too much.