moshquerade
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do you know what FUD is? stop spreading it you flippin idiot.
i will answer anyones question about fluoride. yes, i am an expert.
this thread needs to be locked.
i will answer anyones question about fluoride. yes, i am an expert.
this thread needs to be locked.
This exact same FUD was posted quite a while ago by another alarmist idiot. Thus, if nothing else, this can be locked as a repost.
Don Vito Corleone
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What is the nature of your expertise in this area? I'm interested in it. Are you a physician or biochemist? I used to date a postdoc research biochemist, but that was years ago and I have no idea where she even lives nowadays, so I can't very well ask her.
while I agree the OP is inarticulate and rather FUDish, I think it's good to bring the issue up from time to time.
It would be a very interesting debate if all the skeptics on here were tilted the other way, wondering why the govt wants to medicate the people with a carcinogen. Sadly, this debate already happened and was won by the govt. If you're a true skeptic, dig up the info on the old debate, you will find a lot of FUD there too and not much scientific evidence on either side. The question you naturally need to ask is who has a stake in it, and who pays the cost? Tough questions, with tough answers.
I will say I am tired of people who seem to trust coorporations and the government based on what they tell us, since they are just marketing men. I was like that for almost a year then I realized you can't trust people who just want your money as a repeat customer; they want your loyalty. If you really think a coorporation or the govt cares about your individual well being, you have mastered the art of lying to yourself. The number of raging consumers out there makes me wonder if there is something wrong with the water...
It would be a very interesting debate if all the skeptics on here were tilted the other way, wondering why the govt wants to medicate the people with a carcinogen. Sadly, this debate already happened and was won by the govt. If you're a true skeptic, dig up the info on the old debate, you will find a lot of FUD there too and not much scientific evidence on either side. The question you naturally need to ask is who has a stake in it, and who pays the cost? Tough questions, with tough answers.
I will say I am tired of people who seem to trust coorporations and the government based on what they tell us, since they are just marketing men. I was like that for almost a year then I realized you can't trust people who just want your money as a repeat customer; they want your loyalty. If you really think a coorporation or the govt cares about your individual well being, you have mastered the art of lying to yourself. The number of raging consumers out there makes me wonder if there is something wrong with the water...
moshquerade
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Don Vito Corleone
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What are your credentials? I'm sincerely interested in this, but not if you're not really an expert.
mosh, if you don't mind i'd like to bombard you with some questions too. I'm curious if your expertise is academic, as in chemical/biochemical, or are you well versed in the details of the flouride program conducted in the US and other places? I'm more interested in program details, watchdog info, piles of statistical data, and bussiness ops. I don't need to know much about the chemicals, I havea friend who is an industrial hygenist who gave me a lot of technical info and she thinks it is good. To me, a chemical is neither good nor bad, but the people you have to watch. I've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a while.
Just a reminder folks, FUD comes from those who sound like lunatics, and FUD comes from people who sound rational and say they only want to help you and your kids.
moshquerade
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what are your credentials? i mean, i asked you to PM me. if you don't want to go that route, i am not going to give out personal info on the board.
moshquerade
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i will tell you from my education which delved into fluoride in much of my coursework that i don't consider fluoridated water, toothpastes, or even suppliments (when correctly prescribed) a threat to health. moreover they are beneficial, but when an overdose is taken there can be issues.
i also take continuing education courses and read several monthly periodicals on fluoride to keep my knowledge up to date.
personally, drinking fluoridated public water does not concern me one iota.
Don Vito Corleone
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How is that personal information? I'm happy to provide my credentials in detail publically - obviously that information is important to my clients, and it's on my firm's website. Hell, if you really are an expert, I might hire you at some point, if I am ever working on a case in which we need someone with your expertise, if your credentials are up to snuff.
Why can't you at least say, "I am a doctoral candidate in biochemistry, and working on my dissertation in the cellular penetration of fluoride," or "I'm a medical resident at a major teaching hospital, specializing in pediatric toxicology," or whatever is true in your case?
No offense, but I guess I doubt you're an expert at all, and I can't see why I'd bother to write detailed questions to someone who claims to be an expert but refuses to substantiate it in even the most general terms.
moshquerade
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listen Don, why do you have to make everything an interrogation?
i do have vast knowledge of the field of fluoride. you don't want to believe that until i post the college attended and what i am degreed in even though i have told you i would if you took it to PM.
i mean, you are just a blowhard on a messageboard, i really don't owe you anything or care if you doubt me. but do realize, there are people on this board who have attained a wealth of knowledge besides yourself.
CaptnKirk
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Texas panhandle area from around Lubbock on down to the Midland Odessa area has natural occuring florides in their well water.
Many people from this region have 'Texas Teeth' a brownish grey mottled appearance caused by floridation stains within the enamel.
Strong, never had a cavity - but not gonna win any smile contests.
I have heard that it even tints and stains the skeleton and bone structure.
Many people from this region have 'Texas Teeth' a brownish grey mottled appearance caused by floridation stains within the enamel.
Strong, never had a cavity - but not gonna win any smile contests.
I have heard that it even tints and stains the skeleton and bone structure.
judasmachine
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wChou
I think you may mean well, but don't believe everything you read, you'll drive yourself crazy. There are some elements of truth to this story but just enough to make it plausible. The BS alarm should have sounded when you read that site, try something peer reviewed as previously mentioned.
I think you may mean well, but don't believe everything you read, you'll drive yourself crazy. There are some elements of truth to this story but just enough to make it plausible. The BS alarm should have sounded when you read that site, try something peer reviewed as previously mentioned.
Don Vito Corleone
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
i do have vast knowledge of the field of fluoride. you don't want to believe that until i post the college attended and what i am degreed in even though i have told you i would if you took it to PM.
i mean, you are just a blowhard on a messageboard, i really don't owe you anything or care if you doubt me. but do realize, there are people on this board who have attained a wealth of knowledge besides yourself.
Actually I know there are many people who know a lot more than me on a variety of subjects (BaliBabyDoc comes to mind off the top of my head, among many others). I am just a moderately-experienced lawyer, and certainly no genius. That said, you're the one who offered yourself up as an expert. I don't see it as unreasonable to ask about the nature and extent of your expertise.
judasmachine
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You live in that area? You're practically my neighbor, I live just outside of Amarillo, and Canyon. I don't know what's in my well water as I just moved here, and haven't got the little info pack thing they send out every so often. I won't win any smile contests either, but I've never had a problem either, but then I didn't grow up here.
moshquerade
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i am educated/licensed in the dental field.Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: moshquerade
i do have vast knowledge of the field of fluoride. you don't want to believe that until i post the college attended and what i am degreed in even though i have told you i would if you took it to PM.
i mean, you are just a blowhard on a messageboard, i really don't owe you anything or care if you doubt me. but do realize, there are people on this board who have attained a wealth of knowledge besides yourself.
Actually I know there are many people who know a lot more than me on a variety of subjects (BaliBabyDoc comes to mind off the top of my head, among many others). I am just a moderately-experienced lawyer, and certainly no genius. That said, you're the one who offered yourself up as an expert. I don't see it as unreasonable to ask about the nature and extent of your expertise.
the nature of the way you ask for credentials is rash, and puts people on the defensive.
Most people do not eat the toothpaste, but often the toothpaste is designed to put a protective coating on the teeth that makes your teeth look whiter. I did some reading on flouride and Aluminum, and mixed together they can cause damage to the blood vessels in your brain. For some reason some people are more sensitive to Aluminum. Aluminum combines with some other metal that your body needs and keeps it from being assimilated in your body. Aluminum is also hard to get rid of, and is toxic to the human body along with some other heavy metals. Aluminum in some quantities is found naturally in ground water. Some areas may have more than others.
I recommend people have a Hair Sample and test their body in that fashion. An imbalance in the minerals we consume can be crucial to our health. You should strive for a natural balance of Sodium and Potassium. Chromium is also crucial to good health. You can not get information on this by doing a blood test, so most doctors will not do this kind of test. A hair sample and analysis is invaluable to finding hidden problems with imbalances of required minerals.
My son had an imbalance and his hair started falling out and he saw a doctor which started giving him some vitamins made by Standard Process, but they are only available through a doctor. They seem to help me also. Chronic Fatigue is a sign of an imbalance of Nutrients.
What happens is you may have an imbalance of one or two minerals or have heavy metals like aluminum and then your body can not process something like Iron which you need for health. Patassium difficiencies can cause problems also. Your brain needs both Sodium and Potasium to have good functioning brain activity.
A wealth of knowledge can be obtained through a hair sample. You would be amazed at the volume of information you get back as a result of it. Maybe I can find an example.
Here is just one Example of a Doctor's View on this subject:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/..._Care__Hair_Analysis__Is_It_Worthwhile
I recommend people have a Hair Sample and test their body in that fashion. An imbalance in the minerals we consume can be crucial to our health. You should strive for a natural balance of Sodium and Potassium. Chromium is also crucial to good health. You can not get information on this by doing a blood test, so most doctors will not do this kind of test. A hair sample and analysis is invaluable to finding hidden problems with imbalances of required minerals.
My son had an imbalance and his hair started falling out and he saw a doctor which started giving him some vitamins made by Standard Process, but they are only available through a doctor. They seem to help me also. Chronic Fatigue is a sign of an imbalance of Nutrients.
What happens is you may have an imbalance of one or two minerals or have heavy metals like aluminum and then your body can not process something like Iron which you need for health. Patassium difficiencies can cause problems also. Your brain needs both Sodium and Potasium to have good functioning brain activity.
A wealth of knowledge can be obtained through a hair sample. You would be amazed at the volume of information you get back as a result of it. Maybe I can find an example.
Here is just one Example of a Doctor's View on this subject:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/..._Care__Hair_Analysis__Is_It_Worthwhile
I see the mass have been completely brainwashed. Nothing they say makes any sense, whatsoever. They tend to ridicule anyone who's trying to speak the truth. Continue to drink fluoridated chemicals and watch a movie called "dumb and dumber" just to be like one. hahaha... http://www.davidicke.net/medicalarchives/badmed/stupidflouride.html
The mass idiocy in this country is like watching a bunch clowns trying to make each other laugh. Nothing I say is convincing unless I get serious about it.
The mass idiocy in this country is like watching a bunch clowns trying to make each other laugh. Nothing I say is convincing unless I get serious about it.
Whitening toothpastes don't put a coating on the teeth - they actually abrade or bleach any staining.
I'm not quite sure what Aluminium has to do with fluoride. However, it is well established that there are no reproducibly demonstrable adverse health effects from the presence of trace quantities of fluoride in drinking water or toothpastes. There is good evidence that it dramatically reduces dental decay and need for fillings/extractions. Certainly, there's no convincing evidence of damage to blood vessels at the doses available in water/toothpastes.
Aluminium build up in the brain can cause an Alzheimer's type disease. However, this is very rare, because Aluminium is very effectively filtered from the body by the kidneys. Except for severe poisoning with massive doses of aluminium, the only people susceptible to aluminium poisoning are people with very severe kidney disease who need dialysis - kidney machines are unable to filter aluminium. Even people on dialysis don't have much of a problem with aluminium.
Chromium is not regarded as a nutrient, because lack of chromium in the body doesn't cause any type of illness - it is not essential for health. If taken in unnatural doses (it's quite a rare mineral in normal foods), it does appear to have some potentially beneficial effects on conditions like diabetes. Because there is no deficiency state for chromium there is reason to test for it - there are hair and blood tests available, but the answers they give aren't useful - there is no relationship between the effect of extra chromium and the chromium level in the blood/hair/etc.
Sodium and potassium are present in large excess in the diet, and the kidneys are excellent at getting rid of excess and retaining that which is needed. It's practically impossible to get a sodium or potassium imbalance as long as you eat a normal diet (assuming you have healthy kidneys). Good thing too - the first organ that is affected by a potassium imbalance is the heart; it simply stops beating.
moshquerade
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i'll bet you are keeping yourself awake at night over the mercury in amalgam fillings too. :roll:
Most people do not have the intelligents to make good judgement anymore since the affect of the fuorides have diminished that ability. All hopes for America to be free from domination is lost. I may as well ingest a tooth paste tube completely and drop dead.
"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty."
Has anyone pay any attention at all what has happened to this country since the 50's? Have problems remembering? extreme paranoid out of the blue? afraid to question authority?
"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty."
Has anyone pay any attention at all what has happened to this country since the 50's? Have problems remembering? extreme paranoid out of the blue? afraid to question authority?
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