Floyd Landis to post his legal defense online this week.

[Fausto]

LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Floyd Landis, who could become the first Tour de France champion to be stripped of the title over a doping charge, will release an online presentation outlining his defence, USA Today has reported.

Landis told the newspaper he would post the presentation and documentation from his case on his personal website this week.

In a story first posted on its website at the weekend, USA Today said it had received a copy of the presentation that includes "many elements" of Landis's planned defence.

They include that claim that urine sample numbers on some of the testing forms in the case did not match Landis's rider sample number.

In addition, the incorrect number was covered over with correction fluid and Landis's number written in - a violation of World Anti-Doping Agency procedures that call for corrections to be made with a line through the original notation with the person making the correction initialing to confirm the change.

Landis' motion to dismiss the case has already been rejected by the US Anti-Doping Agency Review Board.

The American is facing being stripped of his crown after tests showed abnormal amounts of testosterone in his body after his stunning victory on stage 17 which allowed him to relaunch his bid for the coveted Tour crown.

Since learning USADA planned to go ahead with the case, Landis has said he will request an open arbitration hearing.

Landis spokesman Michael Henson said in September that the rider's appeal would use "fact-based science" to support his innocence.

In the motion for dismissal of the case, Landis' attorney Howard Jacobs argued that the analysis in Landis' case is filled with errors, including inconsistent testosterone and epitestosterone levels from testing on the "A" sample as well as multiple mismatched sample code numbers that do not belong to Landis.

Should be interesting since it appears he has valid points regarding at least the procedural stuff.

 

[ElFenix]

i wouldn't put it past the french to plant a fake sample to slander a tour winner, especially an american.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wouldn't put it past the french to plant a fake sample to slander a tour winner, especially an american.

no they would have done that to to Armstrong

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wouldn't put it past the french to plant a fake sample to slander a tour winner, especially an american.

From what I've read, it would have been quite difficult to do this. He's either guilty or there was a testing error leading to a false positive.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

If it were the case that his positive sample had a chain-of-custody error like a whited-out sample number, I think they'd have to withdraw the accusations against him, so I assume that's not the case.

For me, the jury is still out on this. One positive sample for testosterone doesn't seem to make a lot of sense medically, but at this point I frankly assume all pro riders are doping or have doped, pretty much without exception.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: DonVito
If it were the case that his positive sample had a chain-of-custody error like a whited-out sample number, I think they'd have to withdraw the accusations against him, so I assume that's not the case.

He's alleging there were multiple issues with the processing of the sample and the related leaks to the press (nothing was supposed to go out until the B sample was confirmed).

For me, the jury is still out on this. One positive sample for testosterone doesn't seem to make a lot of sense medically, but at this point I frankly assume all pro riders are doping or have doped, pretty much without exception.

Sad, but true. The further up the food chain I go with racing, the more jaded I get.

 

[freegeeks]

WADA chief Dick Pound has a simple request for all the cheaters, provide a DNA sample so at least they can match the urine / blood samples with a specific person

Ullrich, Armstrong, Landis, Hamilton, ..... all refused

 

[Fausto]

Dick Pound is also a fscking nutcase. Just for the record. 😉

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
WADA chief Dick Pound has a simple request for all the cheaters, provide a DNA sample so at least they can match the urine / blood samples with a specific person

Ullrich, Armstrong, Landis, Hamilton, ..... all refused

Not too surprising, but disappointing. I'm a little surprised WADA doesn't require all entrants to WADA-supervised events to provide DNA samples, but then again I guess this in turn could facilitate framing the innocent.

 

[Fausto]

Hehe....I said "dick pound" 😀

 

[freegeeks]

meh 😛

I find it disappointing that most cheaters don't take it like a man

They all cry that they are innocent and have these weird stories about beer, Jack Daniels and beer, disapperaring twins and other bs stories.

they all should do like Filip Meirhaeghe admit that you cheated and that's it

and all the French conspiracy stories are just lame, I agree that there is a problem with the leaks to the press from this lab but it doesn't change the fact that Landis tested positive on both samples and that the correct test procedure was followed.

 

[mugs]

So several months later he's announcing that he's going to post his defense on his website... why not just post it, damnit!

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
WADA chief Dick Pound has a simple request for all the cheaters, provide a DNA sample so at least they can match the urine / blood samples with a specific person

Ullrich, Armstrong, Landis, Hamilton, ..... all refused

lol...

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
meh 😛

I find it disappointing that most cheaters don't take it like a man

They all cry that they are innocent and have these weird stories about beer, Jack Daniels and beer, disapperaring twins and other bs stories.

they all should do like Filip Meirhaeghe admit that you cheated and that's it

and all the French conspiracy stories are just lame, I agree that there is a problem with the leaks to the press from this lab but it doesn't change the fact that Landis tested positive on both samples and that the correct test procedure was followed.

1) Everyone hates Filip because he's never apologized or shown remorse.

2) According to the pending document on Floyd's site, there were several issues with the test including the validity of the positive result. We'll have to wait and see what all they post, I guess.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: freegeeks
meh 😛

I find it disappointing that most cheaters don't take it like a man

They all cry that they are innocent and have these weird stories about beer, Jack Daniels and beer, disapperaring twins and other bs stories.

they all should do like Filip Meirhaeghe admit that you cheated and that's it

and all the French conspiracy stories are just lame, I agree that there is a problem with the leaks to the press from this lab but it doesn't change the fact that Landis tested positive on both samples and that the correct test procedure was followed.

1) Everyone hates Filip because he's never apologized or shown remorse.

2) According to the pending document on Floyd's site, there were several issues with the test including the validity of the positive result. We'll have to wait and see what all they post, I guess.

we must have seen a different press conference then when he anncounced that he was a cheater. Basically he said

1)I want to win olympic gold
2)I took EPO
3)they caught me
4)I don't have a cheap excuse, I take full responsibility for what I did

but hey, If you believe in vanishing twins and other Jack Daniels stories, be my guest :thumbsup: 😀

Basso, Museeuw, Landis, Ullrich, Planckaert, ... are all exposed cheaters, they all deserve an oscar for their acting performance

 

[chcarnage]

I don't care anymore about cycling. It's the sport with most cheaters and least efficient controls of the world.

I have read that the newest cheat method is to pee over your finger after dipping it in washing agent. The encymes suffice to break down the traces of EPO doping. Other methods include discretely diluting the urine with a catheter because the urine sample is not taken directly after the cyclist has crossed the target line.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: freegeeks
meh 😛

I find it disappointing that most cheaters don't take it like a man

They all cry that they are innocent and have these weird stories about beer, Jack Daniels and beer, disapperaring twins and other bs stories.

they all should do like Filip Meirhaeghe admit that you cheated and that's it

and all the French conspiracy stories are just lame, I agree that there is a problem with the leaks to the press from this lab but it doesn't change the fact that Landis tested positive on both samples and that the correct test procedure was followed.

1) Everyone hates Filip because he's never apologized or shown remorse.

2) According to the pending document on Floyd's site, there were several issues with the test including the validity of the positive result. We'll have to wait and see what all they post, I guess.

we must have seen a different press conference then when he anncounced that he was a cheater. Basically he said

1)I want to win olympic gold
2)I took EPO
3)they caught me
4)I don't have a cheap excuse, I take full responsibility for what I did

but hey, If you believe in vanishing twins and other Jack Daniels stories, be my guest :thumbsup: 😀

Basso, Museeuw, Landis, Ullrich, Planckaert, ... are all exposed cheaters, they all deserve an oscar for their acting performance

No, I think Tyler's full of ******, but the Landis case is a little different.

At any rate, we'll see where this goes once the legal stuff starts.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: chcarnage
I don't care anymore about cycling. It's the sport with most cheaters and least efficient controls of the world.

I have read that the newest cheat method is to pee over your finger after dipping it in washing agent. The encymes suffice to break down the traces of EPO doping. Other methods include discretely diluting the urine with a catheter because the urine sample is not taken directly after the cyclist has crossed the target line.

I strongly disagree, the controls in cycling are the most efficient of all pro sports, that's why there are some many positive cases. The problem is that there is almost a witch hunt against cycling while all other pro athletes can dope away (tennis, baseball, soccer, football)

it's ridiculous

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: chcarnage
I don't care anymore about cycling. It's the sport with most cheaters and least efficient controls of the world.

I have read that the newest cheat method is to pee over your finger after dipping it in washing agent. The encymes suffice to break down the traces of EPO doping. Other methods include discretely diluting the urine with a catheter because the urine sample is not taken directly after the cyclist has crossed the target line.

I strongly disagree, the controls in cycling are the most efficient of all pro sports, that's why there are some many positive cases. The problem is that there is almost a witch hunt against cycling while all other pro athletes can dope away (tennis, baseball, soccer, football)

it's ridiculous

This is quite true. Not only are cyclists the most-tested athletes in the world, but some of the tests are incredibly sophisticated. You can't even blood-dope any more as the testing will reveal a non-homogenous red blood cell population (this is how they nailed Tyler).

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: chcarnage
I don't care anymore about cycling. It's the sport with most cheaters and least efficient controls of the world.

I have read that the newest cheat method is to pee over your finger after dipping it in washing agent. The encymes suffice to break down the traces of EPO doping. Other methods include discretely diluting the urine with a catheter because the urine sample is not taken directly after the cyclist has crossed the target line.

I strongly disagree, the controls in cycling are the most efficient of all pro sports, that's why there are some many positive cases. The problem is that there is almost a witch hunt against cycling while all other pro athletes can dope away (tennis, baseball, soccer, football)

it's ridiculous

This is quite true. Not only are cyclists the most-tested athletes in the world, but some of the tests are incredibly sophisticated. You can't even blood-dope any more as the testing will reveal a non-homogenous red blood cell population (this is how they nailed Tyler).

phew, I'm happy that we agree on something 😛

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: chcarnage
I don't care anymore about cycling. It's the sport with most cheaters and least efficient controls of the world.

I have read that the newest cheat method is to pee over your finger after dipping it in washing agent. The encymes suffice to break down the traces of EPO doping. Other methods include discretely diluting the urine with a catheter because the urine sample is not taken directly after the cyclist has crossed the target line.

I strongly disagree, the controls in cycling are the most efficient of all pro sports, that's why there are some many positive cases. The problem is that there is almost a witch hunt against cycling while all other pro athletes can dope away (tennis, baseball, soccer, football)

it's ridiculous

This is quite true. Not only are cyclists the most-tested athletes in the world, but some of the tests are incredibly sophisticated. You can't even blood-dope any more as the testing will reveal a non-homogenous red blood cell population (this is how they nailed Tyler).

phew, I'm happy that we agree on something 😛

I think we mostly agree, I'm just still not convinced Floyd is guilty. Too many questions.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: chcarnage
I don't care anymore about cycling. It's the sport with most cheaters and least efficient controls of the world.

I have read that the newest cheat method is to pee over your finger after dipping it in washing agent. The encymes suffice to break down the traces of EPO doping. Other methods include discretely diluting the urine with a catheter because the urine sample is not taken directly after the cyclist has crossed the target line.

I strongly disagree, the controls in cycling are the most efficient of all pro sports, that's why there are some many positive cases. The problem is that there is almost a witch hunt against cycling while all other pro athletes can dope away (tennis, baseball, soccer, football)

it's ridiculous

This is quite true. Not only are cyclists the most-tested athletes in the world, but some of the tests are incredibly sophisticated. You can't even blood-dope any more as the testing will reveal a non-homogenous red blood cell population (this is how they nailed Tyler).

phew, I'm happy that we agree on something 😛

I think we mostly agree, I'm just still not convinced Floyd is guilty. Too many questions.

yeah, we'll see, Landis is saying that he will use "fact-based science" to prove that he is innocent. I hope this science will not consist of "some evil Frenchie used a marker to change the numbers on my bottle".

But in his defense, stranger things have happened, world class triathlete Rutger Beke has proven that his positive EPO test of a few years back was a false positive.

 

[Fausto]

I've read a more extensive writeup on what all Floyd plans to release and it's more than just the whiteout thing.

...and yeah, false positives do happen.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Fausto
I've read a more extensive writeup on what all Floyd plans to release and it's more than just the whiteout thing.

...and yeah, false positives do happen.

linky winky?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Fausto
I've read a more extensive writeup on what all Floyd plans to release and it's more than just the whiteout thing.

...and yeah, false positives do happen.

linky winky?

Can't remember where I saw it....maybe cyclingnews.com? 😱