Florida students are you ready to clean own school?

Bateluer

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Maybe its the military experience talking, but I've always been told that you should take pride in your space(work/school/home) and always keep it clean.
 

PliotronX

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It strikes me as efficient which is probably why Japanese students clean their schools. Though I'm sure some parents will scream that it's slave labor and question where their tax money is going.
 

T9D

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With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Maybe its the military experience talking, but I've always been told that you should take pride in your space(work/school/home) and always keep it clean.

That definitely holds true in the military and CAN hold true with a normal business, but has almost no chance if done by students.
 

Leros

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Originally posted by: v1001
With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.

The teachers I've talked with make under $35k a year. I guess it varies by state though.
 

1prophet

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Cleaning your own school is considered normal in some countries.


The Japanese Classroom
The classroom environment is also much more regimented. Students have three set terms; there is no opportunity to take summer school and do a tenth of the regular work but get full credit for it like you can do here. The students have set uniforms and a set place for their bike. Each kumi or class has one or two students who are responsible for checking to see if the teacher needs help carrying something and to formally ask them to teach the class.

A relationship is also built between the students and the teachers that is not necessarily present in U.S. classes. Students see the teachers clean the room, stay after school and help coach sports or clubs and be active in the community, possibly even visiting the homes.

Unlike American schools Japanese daily education does not end at 3:30. Most of the students will be involved in an activity after school such as tennis, gym, baseball or any of the many clubs each school has. In elementary schools, for instance, the top three after©school lessons given are, for males, swimming, piano and calligraphy. For girls, it is piano, calligraphy and swimming. (That is of the year 2000. Swimming has been the top choice for boys since 1995 while piano has been the top choice for girls since 1987. Calligraphy was the second most popular male choice from 1995 through 1999 before it was replaced by piano. For boys, the third choice has varied from abacus through piano, soccer, English conversation and calligraphy. Girls have been more consistent. Calligraphy was their second from 1987 through 2000 with the exception of 1998 where it was replaced by swimming. Swimming was their third choice from 1986 through 1996, and again in 1999 and 2000).

The secondary school day starts at 8:30. Students will walk, ride bikes or take buses or trains to get to school. Even on the way to school the students are expected to behave in a way which will not bring any disrespect for their school. Students wear uniforms, so the particular school they attend can be determined from what uniform they are wearing as different schools will have different uniforms.

Students will go to a homeroom class for the taking of attendance and any announcements that have to be given. It's the teachers who move from room to room so the students will remain in the same classroom all day (except for phys ed and lab classes), and will often eat their lunch in the room.

At the end of the school day o shoji, or the cleaning of the school is done. Students will clean the classroom, clean the restrooms and pick up trash. This helps to give the students more of a personal stake in taking care of their schools. (Expecting students to clean classrooms in U.S. schools would be considered a violation of the students rights.

There will also be various clubs after school. Theoretically run by teachers, many are actually run by the students themselves. Students are usually allowed to join only one club and will stay in that club through the rest of their time in secondary school.

The clubs are of two types: one is sports and the other culture. Sports clubs can include clubs for baseball, soccer, judo, track, tennis and a wide variety of other sports. Culture clubs include clubs in broadcasting, calligraphy, English, science and math.

A major factor in these clubs in the development of a social/cultural status association with other students. Students who are older are referred to as senpai, while the younger students are referred to as kohai. Each type has its own responsibilities. Senpai help kohai to adjust to the clubs and teach them what they need to know to do well in the clubs; the kohai defer to the senpai. In tennis, for example, kohai will be the ones chasing the balls on the courts while the senpai play tennis.

The kohai also are expected to model the behavior of the senpai. This type of kohai/senpai relationship can continue well after the school years are finished and similar things will be seen in politics and business.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Maybe its the military experience talking, but I've always been told that you should take pride in your space(work/school/home) and always keep it clean.

That definitely holds true in the military and CAN hold true with a normal business, but has almost no chance if done by students.

I take it you guys did 'GI Parties' or 'Tidy Fridays' as well?


Originally posted by: v1001
With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.

Uh, disregarding college professors and university doctors, most elementary and HS teachers make substantially less, typically less than 35k/year and deal with more bull shit than most other professions. Its almost ironic, given their importance in shaping young minds of the future generations.
 

manlymatt83

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Originally posted by: finite automaton
I think it's a good idea.

QFT

My college has a similar program - we had to clean our own bathrooms and showers, etc. Wasn't totally like this but I loved it.
 

mundane

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Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: v1001
With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.

The teachers I've talked with make under $35k a year. I guess it varies by state though.

Right.

And it's hard enough to convince some students to do their homework, which helps them, I wonder how they'll perform when asked to do such 'menial' tasks. I can imagine some asses making messes when they know other students will have to perform the cleanup. I guess I see it devolving into the same situation as living with messy housemates.
 

Jugernot

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Originally posted by: v1001
With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.

You say that, but I don't see you out there trying to teach the little assholes that are being raised these days.

I know I sure wouldn't do it....
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: v1001
With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.

you can blame the retarted union system that's in place. it's pretty difficult to get rid of a bad teacher.

but yes, a big chunk, especially the ones starting out, make 35-40k around here. And it's almost impossible to actually teach because parents use the schools as a babysitting service. It's ridiculous at some schools.

The county my friend works for.. handed out a newsletter that stated a large chunk of teachers switch out after the first couple of years. Then they went on to show a poll that all of them were a) happier, b) making better money, c) were less stressed. WTF kind of newsletter is that.
 

TehMac

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I think the teachers are getting screwed out by the unions and all the damn bureaucrats...pay the teachers more, throw out the useless scatter brained idiots whose only connection with the school is that they see a child everyday on campus.
 

looker001

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Originally posted by: panipoori
Its a good idea but I bet there is going to be tons of parents complaining

If all they do is complain, that would be good. I can see parent(s) saying something like this.

My kid is not going to clean no dam school. If you try to make my kid clean, i am going to call ACLU(substitute for any other legal organization) and they will sue this school for violating my child rights.
 

IronWing

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My high school (Catholic) hired students to clean. They were paid minimum wage plus a tuition waver.
 

HannibalX

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Maybe its the military experience talking, but I've always been told that you should take pride in your space(work/school/home) and always keep it clean.

Not kids these days (or maybe kids ever for that matter).
 

Gunslinger08

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Teachers around here start at almost $42k based on a 1400 hour work year. That's $30 an hour. Not bad considering the average is somewhere closer to $15.
 

HannibalX

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Public school teachers in my county start at around 30k/year. Private school teachers are known to start at 45-50k/year.
 

Xylitol

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Originally posted by: v1001
With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.

you're retarded. i live in the california bay area, and the average teacher at my school makes around 60k-70k
 

moshquerade

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Got to find a way to keep taxes down with all the rising costs. Students need to pitch in and do their part. Have some pride in their schools. It's a great way to build character and encourage good work ethics.
 

Linflas

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I watch the custodians work their asses off all summer cleaning the building. The shine on the floors look as good as anything we did in the military. All it takes is the first day of school to make all that work for naught. Students purposely throw mustard, mayo, and ketchup packets on hallway floors and make all sorts of other messes. I've even seen them spit on the floors inside the school. Maybe cleaning it would make them a little less prone to mess it up. I don't think the teachers should be anymore involved than overseeing any work done though.
 

ChaoZ

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Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: v1001
With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.

you're retarded. i live in the california bay area, and the average teacher at my school makes around 60k-70k

You make it sound like that isn't a lot.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: v1001
With as much pay as some of the teachers are reaming society out these days they should be tongue polishing their classrooms.

The teachers I've talked with make under $35k a year. I guess it varies by state though.

That's got to be starting salary (I am from florida)...also it's for more or less 8 months.

You get EXCELLENT benefits, can sign on to teach in the summer for extra cash or just work a summer job if you want.

My friends talk about wanting more money, but none of them are hurting.

Teaching is an excellent gig for the most part, many of the most vocal are actually the laziest SOB's out there.