Florida policeman suspended after tasering woman, 61, in the back

JEDIYoda

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If not for the video......just amazing.....she was walking away so he deicides to tazer her...
They asked her to stay away -- I presume she was backing away.......

naturally the cops would say she was resisiting arrest...have to justify tazing her in the back.......


Why arrest her for asking about one of the young men who just happened to be family?

http://news.yahoo.com/florida-policeman-suspended-tasering-woman-61-back-182703695.html

Bill Cotterell

TALLAHASSEE Fla. (Reuters) - The Tallahassee Police Department suspended an officer on Wednesday pending an investigation of his use of a taser on a 61-year-old woman who was walking away from him during a confrontation caught on video in a black neighborhood.

Police Chief Michael DeLeo called a pre-dawn news conference to express concern about the incident, which occurred on Tuesday evening in an area he said police were patrolling because of citizen complaints of drug sales.

Community policing officers were talking to some men on a residential street when Viola Young, 61, approached them and asked what was happening.

"Officers advised her to stay away, to stay back, and a second officer approached Ms. Young and attempted to place her under arrest," said DeLeo. "The officer then deployed his taser, striking her in the back."

He said Officer Terry Mahan was placed on administrative leave pending an internal investigation.

An unidentified resident recorded the incident on a cell-phone camera, showing Mahan talking with the woman, following her as she walked away and then firing his taser into her back. She fell face-first on the street, rolled over and was handcuffed by officers, who put her in a squad car along with three other people whom they had arrested.

Emergency medical workers checked the woman before she was taken to the Leon County Jail.

"Viola Young caused me to take my focus off of one of the arrestees and engage her," Mahan wrote in a probable-cause affidavit. "Young's actions obstructed officers while in the course of completing their legal duties."

Mahan, who is white, said he told the woman she was under arrest but she "yanked away, turned and began to move away from me in an attempt to defeat her lawful arrest."

Young, the mother of one of the men arrested, is black. All were charged with resisting arrest without violence.

DeLeo promised "a thorough investigation" of the incident. He called a news conference at 3:15 a.m. — 10 hours after the incident — and released the video "to be transparent with the community" in his handling of the case.

"The investigation will determine not only if the officer's actions were legal," he said, "but whether those actions were consistent with the expectations that I have for officers and the way that we treat members of our community with dignity and respect."

UPdate -- https://gma.yahoo.com/video/61-old-woman-tased-police-132513775.html
The video prompted an investigation and suspension of the arresting officer.
Those 3 young men were arrested for resisiting arrest -- not for drug charges which is why the Police were out there...
 
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BoberFett

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Why was she being arrested in the first place? Daring to talk to a police officer?

LOL, pigs.
 

smackababy

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If the officer was attempting to place her under arrest and she was talking away, isn't that resisting? I am not saying the officer should have tased her, but if he was placing her under arrest, she shouldn't have been attempting to leave. And even then, what is the course of action one is to take when a person is actively resisting? Should he have slammed her to the ground like a pregnant woman?
 

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Its to the point that people need to avoid the police. If my house got robbed or I got mugged, I think I would just take the loss and avoid any interactions with the police. I can't wait to see a police officer coming into a 3rd or 4th grade class to give a safety talk and all the kids put their hands up and in unison state: I am unarmed, don't shoot me.
 

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If the officer was attempting to place her under arrest and she was talking away, isn't that resisting? I am not saying the officer should have tased her, but if he was placing her under arrest, she shouldn't have been attempting to leave. And even then, what is the course of action one is to take when a person is actively resisting? Should he have slammed her to the ground like a pregnant woman?

If she was doing nothing wrong, why should she be arrested? Just because a pig has a badge, doesnt give him the right to place everybody under arrest because "He felt like it".

Thats bullshit.
 

Darwin333

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Why was she being arrested in the first place? Daring to talk to a police officer?

LOL, pigs.

Actually that appears to be exactly what she was being arrested for per the police report:

"Viola Young caused me to take my focus off of one of the arrestees and engage her," Mahan wrote in a probable-cause affidavit. "Young's actions obstructed officers while in the course of completing their legal duties."

So I guess talking to a police officer IS an arrestable offence. It doesn't say anything about "continued to after being told to leave" or anything like that.

As far as the tasering, well she did yank away from him but the cop is a pussy. She wasn't running or being violent, he could have easily controlled her without having to beat the crap out of her or tasering her.
 

Darwin333

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If she was doing nothing wrong, why should she be arrested? Just because a pig has a badge, doesnt give him the right to place everybody under arrest because "He felt like it".

Thats bullshit.

That's a good point but regardless, once a cop says you're under arrest the best thing to do is shut the fuck up and comply. Anything else will just make an already bad situation worse.
 

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If the officer was attempting to place her under arrest and she was talking away, isn't that resisting? I am not saying the officer should have tased her, but if he was placing her under arrest, she shouldn't have been attempting to leave. And even then, what is the course of action one is to take when a person is actively resisting? Should he have slammed her to the ground like a pregnant woman?

You mean like she slammed the ground with her face after being tasered?
 

smackababy

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If she was doing nothing wrong, why should she be arrested? Just because a pig has a badge, doesnt give him the right to place everybody under arrest because "He felt like it".

Thats bullshit.

"Officers advised her to stay away, to stay back, and a second officer approached Ms. Young and attempted to place her under arrest,"
From the article. She was interfering with officers attempting to arrest or question someone, she is able to be arrested, or at least, detained. She, rather, decided to resist.
 

MtnMan

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Bad cop!

Good camera!

Bad cops hate good cameras, and had they been aware someone was taking video I'm sure more 'street justice' would have been handed out and a smart phone smashed.

Fortunately there were not pet dogs close by to shoot for wagging their tail.
 
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From the article. She was interfering with officers attempting to arrest or question someone, she is able to be arrested, or at least, detained. She, rather, decided to resist.

Yeah, I can see how someone being 30 or 40 feet away from the incident in question could be considered as interfering. I mean, he had to walk all that way just to tase her. Damn, lock her up now!
 

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If the officer was attempting to place her under arrest and she was talking away, isn't that resisting? I am not saying the officer should have tased her, but if he was placing her under arrest, she shouldn't have been attempting to leave. And even then, what is the course of action one is to take when a person is actively resisting? Should he have slammed her to the ground like a pregnant woman?

I'm not surprised that you see only 2 choices in how to deal with a woman that just said words to you: really hurt that woman in one way, or really hurt that woman in a different way. This attitude is what more and more people are starting to realize is prevalent in law enforcement.

Oh, and WTF about slamming her to the ground "like a pregnant woman"? Is your department's policy to slam a woman to the ground during an arrest as long as she's pregnant?
 

smackababy

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Yeah, I can see how someone being 30 or 40 feet away from the incident in question could be considered as interfering. I mean, he had to walk all that way just to tase her. Damn, lock her up now!

The video won't play for me at work, so I will ask. How long is the video and what does it show? Does it only show the officer following the women, whom is reported to have approached and interfered in some way with the arresting officers after being told to stay back and then resisted, turned, and started to flee when told she was being arrested or does it show that entire altercation?

Now, I don't think he had to tase her, from the way it sounds, but he still was legally allowed to apprehend a person resisting arrest in the safest manner possible.
 

ivwshane

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The video won't play for me at work, so I will ask. How long is the video and what does it show? Does it only show the officer following the women, whom is reported to have approached and interfered in some way with the arresting officers after being told to stay back and then resisted, turned, and started to flee when told she was being arrested or does it show that entire altercation?

Now, I don't think he had to tase her, from the way it sounds, but he still was legally allowed to apprehend a person resisting arrest in the safest manner possible.

The suspects appeared to be handcuffed and in the police car, one officer was talking to them, the woman, offscreen, was yelling when another officer started walking toward her, he is seen at leat 20 feet in front of the police car with the suspects. The women is at least 30 feet from the police car when the other officer approaches her. He attempts to hold her when she yanks away and is then tased while walking away. And yes the lady fell like a falling board onto her face.

I don't know what constitutes interfering with an investigation but apparently yelling at cops from a distance is good enough for that officer.
 
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The video won't play for me at work, so I will ask. How long is the video and what does it show? Does it only show the officer following the women, whom is reported to have approached and interfered in some way with the arresting officers after being told to stay back and then resisted, turned, and started to flee when told she was being arrested or does it show that entire altercation?

Now, I don't think he had to tase her, from the way it sounds, but he still was legally allowed to apprehend a person resisting arrest in the safest manner possible.

Sorry, it's better for you to see the video for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

The original video that I saw was, I believe, a bit over 6 minutes in length. It shows several minutes before (the original arrest of the kids on the street), the officer's approach and confrontation with the woman and a couple of minutes after the incident.
 

ivwshane

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Sorry, it's better for you to see the video for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

The original video that I saw was, I believe, a bit over 6 minutes in length. It shows several minutes before (the original arrest of the kids on the street), the officer's approach and confrontation with the woman and a couple of minutes after the incident.

Do you have a link?
 

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what would be funny is if one of the other people there that didn't get tased had a baseball bat and while the cops were bent over tending to the tased person, that they got their skulls crushed in. Now that would have been hilarious. maybe i watch too much tv.
 

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what would be funny is if one of the other people there that didn't get tased had a baseball bat and while the cops were bent over tending to the tased person, that they got their skulls crushed in. Now that would have been hilarious. maybe i watch too much tv.

Are you eleven years old?

If you are being arrested, rightly or wrongly in your opinion, and you yank your arm away and refuse to be arrested, then guess what will probably happen?

This isn't terribly complicated.
 

smackababy

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Sorry, it's better for you to see the video for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

The original video that I saw was, I believe, a bit over 6 minutes in length. It shows several minutes before (the original arrest of the kids on the street), the officer's approach and confrontation with the woman and a couple of minutes after the incident.

This women was being told to not come near the arresting officers, and when she refused to back up, as was being said, the officer approached her to arrest her. She then, pulls out of the officers grasp and starts to leave. At that point, rather than chase her down, he tases her. Now, I don't think it entirely appropriate, but it sure isn't rage inducing. I could have easily caught up to her and grabbed her for the arrest.
 
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This women was being told to not come near the arresting officers, and when she refused to back up, as was being said, the officer approached her to arrest her. She then, pulls out of the officers grasp and starts to leave. At that point, rather than chase her down, he tases her. Now, I don't think it entirely appropriate, but it sure isn't rage inducing. I could have easily caught up to her and grabbed her for the arrest.

So you've now watched the video in question? All 7 minutes? And you're still going to side with the officers?

OK.
 

JEDIYoda

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Are you eleven years old?

If you are being arrested, rightly or wrongly in your opinion, and you yank your arm away and refuse to be arrested, then guess what will probably happen?

This isn't terribly complicated.
The truth isn't terribly complicated either...watch the video...