Florida High School Shooting

[Younigue]

I think this is an insult? I’m not sure though because it really doesn’t make any sense.

Does anyone have an idea if Taj is insulting me?

Push comes to shove I’d guess it’s maybe in the “yo momma” insult genre?

I liken his attempts as more of a "Oh yeah?" *silent hiss* "Take that... so there!" It always possesses that certain level of Trumpublicanism impotence, ya know.

 

[Younigue]

You like helpless victims, they fit your fantasies.

Says the fu*king idiot that has a desire to throw grenades at kids.

 

[Younigue]

Its sad, they will always say more guns is the answer. Even when you show them evidence to the contrary they will still say more guns in the answer. They won't be satisfied until every man, woman and child conceal carries.

I don't know how the country can solve this when you have a group people so steeped in ideology that it supersedes reality? We have to solve that problem first.

Oh, they don't want all men, women and children to have guns. I suspect they'd be quite picky about it if it came down to it. Don't you?

 

[Younigue]

You pretend something can be done about firearms in your lifetime and are happy to leave the kids with nothing and no protection at all.

You just suck in every possible way a person can suck Taj. Is that gun oil around your mouth? Shhh! Nobody tell him "lube" isn't required if his using his mouth.

 

[Mockingbird]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/fla-schoo...4-minutes-232627967--abc-news-topstories.html
Fla. school officer waited outside building for 4 minutes as killings happened, sheriff says

Officer on scene stood outside without action. A suspension was approved for the officer, but he resigned and will be allowed to retire. If he had acted, fewer students would have died. I dont know if I would have had the courage to rush inside the school.

Sherif also said that officers came in contact with the suspect 23 times prior to the shooting event.

How come the good guy with a gun didn't stop the bad guy with a gun?

 

[Younigue]

Because he was trying to order a pizza? Oops sorry, different gun violence story.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

I think fskimospy and others can accept that premise as plausible (if unlikely) if you can in turn accept their premise as plausible that a policy of arming teachers may lead to unwanted consequences like innocents being shot, negligent discharges, and others. I also think most would agree that an armed guard at a school presents a much different deterrent and risk profile than armed teachers.

This is a nicely thought out post. Yes, arming teachers could lead to unwanted consequences like innocents being shot. Thankfully it has not so far. Sure, low sample size, yet there is a sample size. What I dislike the most about an armed guard is the shooter KNOWS who has the gun and who to take out first. Has this ever happened? Not to my knowledge. Yet tactically, I'd want the shooter to wonder who and how many have guns. Most of these psycho shooters seem to want a high body count. That is why schools are particularly attractive. No defense. If they know that some teachers might be armed, maybe they would choose another target?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Lost in all the discussion about arming teachers and lunch ladies as undercover John Wick clones ... how does that "fix" apply to the other places where mass shootings have occurred? You going to to arm ticket takers at the movie theater? Roadies at the concert? Singers in the choir?

The point is, going down the path of "more guns to make us safe" is an entirely ridiculous argument when you consider the range of targets out there. Pun intended.

Are you against armed guards at banks? I can't seem to find any posts from you about how entirely ridiculous it is to guard money with guns. But allow people with guns to guard children and your shit flips. Why?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

(stolen from the pics thread)

Do you understand that there are people who want to see funding for both of these? They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[soundforbjt]

Are you against armed guards at banks? I can't seem to find any posts from you about how entirely ridiculous it is to guard money with guns. But allow people with guns to guard children and your shit flips. Why?

Neither of my two banks have armed guards.
How about we post signs saying teachers are armed, the psychos won’t know if they are or not. Easily affordable for any school system.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

How come the good guy with a gun didn't stop the bad guy with a gun?

He fucked up and resigned over it. Did he harm anybody? Was anybody hurt because of this armed guard? Should we not have had this armed guard there? Would additional armed guards/teachers/whatevers have possibly had a chance to defend the children? Your argument seems to be that this one time a guy with a gun didn't protect people and therefore guys with guns shouldn't protect people. Do you take issue with the school calling cops (guys with guns) who didn't stop any killing?

 

[Maxima1]

More cops in schools will not make them safe.

There are examples of officers stopping school shooters, so why do you say this?

VT was the worst mass school killing in history. A school with an armed police force of up to 70 officers. Didn't solve the problem so clearly more guns won't fix it.

You don't mention that he locked the doors, which prevented the campus cops from reaching him. Now this oversight has been remedied.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Neither of my two banks have armed guards.
How about we post signs saying teachers are armed, the psychos won’t know if they are or not. Easily affordable for any school system.

You have TWO banks? Look at you, Richie Rich! I actually like your idea. It helps if the signs are backed by (potentially) armed teachers, but these signs are likely more effective than "no gunz allowed k dudes?" signs.

 

[soundforbjt]

You have TWO banks? Look at you, Richie Rich! I actually like your idea. It helps if the signs are backed by (potentially) armed teachers, but these signs are likely more effective than "no gunz allowed k dudes?" signs.

And it’s still officially a no gun zone.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

And it’s still officially a no gun zone.

Yes, for non-certified, non-approved, non-trained people. Yes.

 

[mikeymikec]

Is Trump really a teetotaller? Listening to this makes me think of a family gathering and some old relative has had too many to drink but wants to make their point, and you're thinking, "ok, I think I get the vague jist of what you're trying to say, but you've been throwing in incoherent statements left and right for a few minutes longer than you needed to and your point is steadily making less sense... please stop talking".

It only works if you have people very adept at using firearms, of which you have many, and it would be teachers and err coaches if the coach had a firearm... in his locker when he ran at this guy this coach was very brave, err saved a lot of lives I suspect, but if he had a firearm he wouldn't have had to run and he would have shot and that would have been the end of it and this would obviously be only for people who very adept at handling a gun and it's called concealed carry, where a teacher would have would have a concealed gun on them, they'd go for special training and they would err be there and you would no longer have a gun-free zone, gun free zones to a maniac because they're all cowards, a gun free zone is let's go in and let's attack.

Also I find it amusing how Trump said that he "suspected" that the coach saved a lot of lives, but he asserts a hypothetical outcome as fact.

 

[rise]

I don't know who got the pic of the note with "I hear you" as the final point but damn, just evidences the sideshow he made of what should have a slam dunk, softball, out of the park feel good and possibly productive meeting.

Not that him so sublty laying out the obviously well discussed CCW idea wasn't proof enough that he huddled with nra, his stooge kids and cronies to come up with this laughable proposal. He then double downs the next day, lies about what he said and triples down in the next "listening session",

I;m thinking he's just proposing something he knows won't go anywhere. He's such a coward he not only won't protect and stand up for slaughtered children, but he'll use them as a political deflection.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Because he was trying to order a pizza? Oops sorry, different gun violence story.

Are you certain he wasn't taking a whack at something else?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Is Trump really a teetotaller? Listening to this makes me think of a family gathering and some old relative has had too many to drink but wants to make their point, and you're thinking, "ok, I think I get the vague jist of what you're trying to say, but you've been throwing in incoherent statements left and right for a few minutes longer than you needed to and your point is steadily making less sense... please stop talking".



Also I find it amusing how Trump said that he "suspected" that the coach saved a lot of lives, but he asserts a hypothetical outcome as fact.

Shame shame on the parents that allowed their daughter to get that close to Trump dressed like that. I hope she didn't get molested at the WH.

 

[realibrad]

Sorry, since most of them are dead, upon what are you basing their motivations?

What we know from the ones that did not die and what evidence was left behind.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Shame shame on the parents that allowed their daughter to get that close to Trump dressed like that. I hope she didn't get molested at the WH.

He is going to need a new cabinet member soon.

Besides, her fault for dressing like that, amirite?

 

[Puffnstuff]

He is going to need a new cabinet member soon.

Besides, her fault for dressing like that, amirite?

OMG isn't this so sad that we're talking about the sitting president like he's a pedophile? The way he looked at Ivanka when she was growing up was just creepy and the things he's said about her are just OTT.

 

[mikeymikec]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/

I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. I saw one from a man shot in the back by a SWAT team years ago. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat travelling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to a trauma center to receive our care.

 

[jpeyton]

Are you guys still going back and forth with Taj?

The winning continues today. Full on revolt against Trump on right leaning subreddits; r/guns thread is up to 1000+ comments like this one:

 

[FerrelGeek]

How come the good guy with a gun didn't stop the bad guy with a gun?

Go to the thread that's discussing this...