Florida High School Shooting

[jackstar7]

Because at least they wouldn't die in vain. You're making an irrational assumption that friendly fire will top deaths prevented, and you aren't considering that more security at school would deter some from even acting in the first place.

The assumption you are making is that mass murders are rational actors. As though you've never heard of suicide by cop as a concept.

You think school shooters go in and expect to survive? Why?

 

[soundforbjt]

I'm looking forward to PTA "bullet drives" for the Teachers.
Letters home asking parents to send in pencils, paper towels and ammo for the class.

Will teachers have to buy their own guns and ammo or will there be a stipend?

Bake Sale For Bullets does have a nice ring to it.

 

[realibrad]

It's not that dead little kids wasn't worse, it's that the survivors couldn't speak out in the same way as these survivors are. The survivors from Sandy Hook are only 12-14 at this point.

Things seemed different from the start. Maybe its that, or maybe its finally time.

 

[jackstar7]

Things seemed different from the start. Maybe its that, or maybe its finally time.

Whatever it is, it is terrible it came to this.

 

[Maxima1]

The assumption you are making is that mass murders are rational actors. As though you've never heard of suicide by cop as a concept.

You think school shooters go in and expect to survive? Why?

Depends on the shooter. About half or more of mass shooters want suicide and many of those do it themselves. If you get shot by a cop, it's plausible you might not die and be incapacitated and hauled off. By killing themselves, society can't get back at them. Others are afraid of death or have some other reason for why they don't want to get killed.

 

[zinfamous]

I literally want people with good training to protect my own kids. We protect our money with armed guards. We protect our politicians with armed guards. We protect sporting events with armed guards. Why not our most precious and defenseless loved ones as well? We've already got 300 million guns in America. It is what it is. We have the highest rates of mental illness in the world. It is what it is. We can complain about all that and try to change it but meanwhile we have to protect our kids and placing a "gun-free zone" sign at schools isn't the solution.

so...remove the signs? problem solved!

 

[Younigue]

Because at least they wouldn't die in vain. You're making an irrational assumption that friendly fire will top deaths prevented, and you aren't considering that more security at school would deter some from even acting in the first place.

WTF? Ah, yes they would die in vain! The shooting won't have been avoided. More lives will have been lost. You know, you should call a school assembly and assure the children that if they are shot dead by friendly fire it'll be worth it so fu*king people who don't want to get rid of weapons of war get to keep them. They're just taking one for the team they don't even play on lie good little targets. Add that like in times of war they will be honored as (involuntary) brave, heroic souls. While you're at it tell the 'friendlies' that living with the innocent lives they take while "protecting" the innocent will be easy to live with because being a hero will outweigh their guilt. Tell them also that living in a Militia State is the only way because that's preferable to people who don't require these sorts of guns not having them.

Once every place where people gather is heavily armed & guarded America is going to be fu*king awesome! No longer a first world country. No longer free and proud but EVERYONE will be able to ogle the fancy phallic symbols EVERYWHERE and never judge penis size ever again and never doubt the (armed) masculinity of those carrying. And they all lived (died) happily ever never!

I am not neglecting to consider the shootings that will be avoided by arming schools. If the country were to go I that direction the gun fetish would increase, the anger at being surrounded by guns will grow, the climate in the country will get uglier. Arming schools will deter nothing.

 

[Younigue]

I personally would feel most comfortable for anybody allowed to be free in society to have their full rights. You should either be a threat and incarcerated, or not a threat and free.

There is zero possibility a society will ever fit in to that preferred mold.

 

[pauldun170]

Bake Sale For Bullets does have a nice ring to it.

 

[soundforbjt]

Brownies For Brownings?

 

[realibrad]

Brownies For Brownings?

Too soon.

http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-br-hartford-pot-brownies-global-academy-20180214-story.html

 

[jackstar7]

Depends on the shooter. About half or more of mass shooters want suicide and many of those do it themselves. If you get shot by a cop, it's plausible you might not die and be incapacitated and hauled off. By killing themselves, society can't get back at them. Others are afraid of death or have some other reason for why they don't want to get killed.

Well that sounds like it covers everything, so you're saying there is no profile of a mass shooter, and so nothing can really be done to predict their motives or actions or intentions.

In which case, I'd opt to not have guns around my kids on the regular for the infinitesimal chance of a school shooter showing up.

 

[Younigue]

What the hell are you even talking about? What I said and what I meant is there would be more death with more guns.

Shooters go in with a time frame in mind before they believe they will be stopped (arrested or killed) or they kill themselves. If the Teacher Guns are stored securely, the shooter will likely be done with their spree before they ever even get to the guns OR they'll add to the death toll. If the shooter killed 17 and friendly fire killed another child that's 18. Even one more life is not acceptable. Ya know why? Because the original 17 should not have been lost to begin with!

Also, kids by nature don't think things through so they will absolutely go for the guns if they're on the premises whether they are carried by the teachers or secured. Not only that but the school's batch of guns will be a known supply to non-students looking to procure guns unless of course these heavily guarded schools are going to be heavily guarded 24/7?

Some of you seem to believe that one life lost due to friendly fire is worth something. American children are not in a war torn country. They are not in a war. Add more guns... It'll become that and then yes America will become a country where the question of whether the loss of one life is worth the saving of the many.

 

[Younigue]

Bake Sale For Bullets does have a nice ring to it.

Those candy bars the kids sell for earning money for stuff (potentially bullets in the future) are so good!

 

[Younigue]

Depends on the shooter. About half or more of mass shooters want suicide and many of those do it themselves. If you get shot by a cop, it's plausible you might not die and be incapacitated and hauled off. By killing themselves, society can't get back at them. Others are afraid of death or have some other reason for why they don't want to get killed.

If any of the shooters believe they will survive they still go in resigned to the fact that they likely will not.

 

[soundforbjt]

Those candy bars the kids sell for earning money for stuff (potentially bullets in the future) are so good!

Watch out, taj will call you chiubby again.

 

[Younigue]

Watch out, taj will call you chiubby again.

LOL! I Would gladly get fat if I had easy/regular access to those candy bars! Well, probably not because my appetite wouldn't allow for it but I would definitely embarrass myself.

 

[Younigue]

Watch out, taj will call you chiubby again.

Also, the humor is not "too soon". I am an appreciater of The dark humors. It's a coping skill.

 

[realibrad]

Also, the humor is not "too soon". I am an appreciater of The dark humors. It's a coping skill.

Just consider Trump a very dark joke.

 

[Younigue]

Just consider Trump a very dark joke.

Tried and failed. He's a Plague.

 

[realibrad]

Tried and failed. He's a Plague.

The plague was also a dark joke, but only about 1 in 5 got it.

 

[Younigue]

The plague was also a dark joke, but only about 1 in 5 got it.

Dark!

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Because as evidence from the fact that the guard at this school didn't intervene, having guns in schools does NOT ensure that an active shooter situation will be halted. Our 'most precious and defenseless members of society' should be protected by ensuring they don't get into a situation where they're being shot at, not adding more bullets in the air hoping the ones from the 'good guys' hit their mark.

The guard didn't intervene. The TEACHERS did by placing their bodies in between bullets and children. I would rather that these brave, fast thinking, heroic people have the actual opportunity to fight back. Their bodies likely saved lives by blocking bullets. If they had the ability to end the shooting they would have saved even more lives. Often even brandishing a weapon or firing it can end the shooting. Most of these psycho mass shooters commit suicide at the first sign of armed resistance.

Our 'most precious and defenseless members of society' should be protected by ensuring they don't get into a situation where they're being shot at

This is true. How do you propose to accomplish this in a nation with half of the world's privately owned guns? Until your proposal is implemented, I'd like my little boys to be protected by people who are licensed, trained, and armed. What is your resistance to this? Do you think it is an endorsement of "all guns are good"? It is not. It is simply stating that people are safer with guards. Else nobody would ever hire armed guards.

Our president should be protected by ensuring they don't get into a situation where he is being shot at. Our Brinks employees transporting money to banks from Taco Bell or Albertsons should be protected by ensuring they don't get into a situation where he is being shot at. Our children should be protected by ensuring they don't get into a situation where he is being shot at. Yet all of these people get shot at and the best defense is to have armed guards. It has been this way since before guns were invented. In every society we have protected ourselves with guards armed with weapons, whether they are swords, spears, or guns. Protecting yourself with weapons makes you safer.

 

[jackstar7]

The guard didn't intervene. The TEACHERS did by placing their bodies in between bullets and children. I would rather that these brave, fast thinking, heroic people have the actual opportunity to fight back. Their bodies likely saved lives by blocking bullets. If they had the ability to end the shooting they would have saved even more lives. Often even brandishing a weapon or firing it can end the shooting. Most of these psycho mass shooters commit suicide at the first sign of armed resistance.


This is true. How do you propose to accomplish this in a nation with half of the world's privately owned guns? Until your proposal is implemented, I'd like my little boys to be protected by people who are licensed, trained, and armed. What is your resistance to this? Do you think it is an endorsement of "all guns are good"? It is not. It is simply stating that people are safer with guards. Else nobody would ever hire armed guards.

Our president should be protected by ensuring they don't get into a situation where he is being shot at. Our Brinks employees transporting money to banks from Taco Bell or Albertsons should be protected by ensuring they don't get into a situation where he is being shot at. Our children should be protected by ensuring they don't get into a situation where he is being shot at. Yet all of these people get shot at and the best defense is to have armed guards. It has been this way since before guns were invented. In every society we have protected ourselves with guards armed with weapons, whether they are swords, spears, or guns. Protecting yourself with weapons makes you safer.

All of this is a false narrative you've concocted to justify your fragility and insecurities. I hope you strive to be a better person than what you depict here.

I thought there weren't many gun deaths and so legislating guns was foolish? Now there are so many gun-related incidents and deaths that we must do something and you think that something is adding more guns.

You've worked yourself into a paranoid tizzy.

 

[pauldun170]

The guard didn't intervene.

You mean "guards"?