Florida High School Shooting

[jpeyton]

Can you honestly tell me there is an instance where somebody is too dangerous to be allowed in society with a gun, but not dangerous enough to not be in prison?

Yes, there was this instance of a young man named Nikolas Cruz.

He stated online publicly that he wanted to be a "professional school shooter".

He then purchased an AR-15 in February 2018, and used it that same month to kill 17 people at his former school.

He had no criminal record, and his online comments would not have been enough to incarcerate him, but should have been enough to prevent the purchase of firearms.

 

[fskimospy]

That "I don't like it" applies to bans on guns too.

Nobody is arguing that we should ban guns because we don't like them. They are arguing to ban guns because they kill tens of thousands of people every year.

 

[realibrad]

LOL. No darling, you'll never change. Not telling everyone, just you. It falls on deaf eyes but still fun to call you an idiot.

So you will block me if I continue, which you think I cannot stop, and its not for anyone other than me even though you think its impossible for it to impact me.

So what was the point then?

 

[K1052]

Like others, I haven't kept up with this thread, but the pile of shit we refer to as the president just again advocated for teachers to have guns, as a teacher would have "shot the hell" out of the gunman.

Trump totally talking out of his ass, exhibit 1,342,922

 

[momeNt]

Yes, there was this instance of a young man named Nikolas Cruz.

He stated online publicly that he wanted to be a "professional school shooter".

He then purchased an AR-15 in February 2018, and used it that same month to kill 17 people at his former school.

He had no criminal record, and his online comments would not have been enough to incarcerate him, but should have been enough to prevent the purchase of firearms.

So they will need to make explicit threats about the nature and location of their planned crime in order to have their 2A rights taken, but, are allowed free in society otherwise?

What's an example of just borderline behavior that may or may not allow 2A rights taken? A domestic violence call with or without clear evidence of violence, being involved in a bar fight?

 

[realibrad]

Nobody is arguing that we should ban guns because we don't like them. They are arguing to ban guns because they kill tens of thousands of people every year.

@woolfe9998

Remember when I said that some people will try and use only deaths as the metric for banning something. Here he is again saying that we should ban buns because they kill people. Nothing else to qualify. So how should someone understand what is being said? It sure looks like he is only looking at the negative and if you do that, it should establish an argument for banning lots of other things.

 

[glenn1]

Because the worried calls and FBI tips turned out to be true in this one instance, now we are broadly expanding the ability to remove the 2A right of certain individuals? This is definitely a pretty dangerous precedent.

Whatever is considered a Credible threat needs to be looked at very carefully. If they are not going to be jailed for being "dangerous" i see no reason to ONLY confiscate their 2A right.

Can you honestly tell me there is an instance where somebody is too dangerous to be allowed in society with a gun, but not dangerous enough to not be in prison?

Because folks who want gun control literally think everyone is too dangerous to be allowed in society with a gun. The rest of their arguments and justifications are really just an extension of that basic premise. If it weren't then folks like fskimospy wouldn't be arguing for the ban of guns which account for statistically negligible amounts of gun violence. While at the same time wanting to allow guns which are statistically used more than the types he wants to ban (shotguns vs. rifles).

 

[realibrad]

So they will need to make explicit threats about the nature and location of their planned crime in order to have their 2A rights taken, but, are allowed free in society otherwise?

What's an example of just borderline behavior that may or may not allow 2A rights taken? A domestic violence call with or without clear evidence of violence, being involved in a bar fight?

What about a medical health professional saying that the person if left untreated would be a safety risk to himself and or others?

 

[glenn1]

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/02/oregon_passes_gun_control_bill.html

Seems to be redundant to federal law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Are you guys still going back and forth with Taj? 🙄

The winning continues today. Full on revolt against Trump on right leaning subreddits; r/guns thread is up to 1000+ comments like this one:

I've had my say on the subject. No use in continuing to beat the dead horse to a paste. I'll withdraw.

 

[fskimospy]

@woolfe9998

Remember when I said that some people will try and use only deaths as the metric for banning something. Here he is again saying that we should ban buns because they kill people. Nothing else to qualify. So how should someone understand what is being said? It sure looks like he is only looking at the negative and if you do that, it should establish an argument for banning lots of other things.

Someone should understand that articulating one reason why something is bad does not mean that is the only reason a person thinks it is bad. In fact, that's what the word 'only' is for!

You are failing at basic human communication. I can't believe this had to be explained to an adult.

 

[K1052]

So they will need to make explicit threats about the nature and location of their planned crime in order to have their 2A rights taken, but, are allowed free in society otherwise?

What's an example of just borderline behavior that may or may not allow 2A rights taken? A domestic violence call with or without clear evidence of violence, being involved in a bar fight?

Practically I think states are going to be left to set that bar for themselves. I don't see Congress passing a law that lays out the standard nor do I suspect SCOTUS would do so in a decision.

 

[woolfe9998]

@woolfe9998

Remember when I said that some people will try and use only deaths as the metric for banning something. Here he is again saying that we should ban buns because they kill people. Nothing else to qualify. So how should someone understand what is being said? It sure looks like he is only looking at the negative and if you do that, it should establish an argument for banning lots of other things.

I would think he also believes that those deaths - murders, suicides and tragic accidents - are generally worse than deaths due to bad eating habits. He shouldn't even have to say that. As I've repeatedly said, it's implicitly obvious. He shouldn't have to say, "oh, and by the way, murder is worse than hardened arteries."

You are often far too literal.

 

[Bird222]

Anyone care to explain this?

 

[momeNt]

What about a medical health professional saying that the person if left untreated would be a safety risk to himself and or others?

They would only be a safety risk with a gun? They can otherwise be free? What about them stealing a gun? Should they be allowed to be free in society "if left untreated"?

 

[K1052]

Anyone care to explain this?

Which countries does the US resemble more politically, socially, and economically?

 

[fskimospy]

I would think he also believes that those deaths - murders, suicides and tragic accidents - are generally worse than deaths due to bad eating habits. He shouldn't even have to say that. As I've repeatedly said, it's implicitly obvious. He shouldn't have to say, "oh, and by the way, murder is worse than hardened arteries."

You are often far too literal.

I believe guns should be banned for about a dozen reasons, including that violent death is worse than arterial plaque. The idea that I would need to list them all every time we talk about it is...baffling.

 

[vi edit]

Which countries does the US resemble more politically, socially, and economically?

Beat me to it. That was exactly what I was going to say.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Anyone care to explain this?

Hmmm, as a society who do we have more in common with UK and Australia (who speak the same language) or Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela, Russia, Columbia or South Africa (which does more or less speak the same language)
I wonder how to figure this out...

 

[Bird222]

Which countries does the US resemble more politically, socially, and economically?

So gun control only works in certain types of countries?

 

[rise]

Anyone care to explain this?

Where do you think those guns, and their gun culture, came from? Did you take any history at all in school? Or were you homeschooled in dumbfuckistan?

 

[jpeyton]

Seems to be redundant to federal law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

The article states that it expands upon existing laws.

The bill that the Oregon Senate approved Thursday, House Bill 4145, would close a loophole in Oregon's gun laws that allow convicted domestic abusers and stalkers to legally buy and own firearms if they aren't married to or living with the victim and they don't have children together.

Here's the full text of the bill: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2018R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB4145/Enrolled

 

[jackstar7]

So gun control only works in certain types of countries?

It might. Does that invalidate the point?

 

[rise]

ooops, I thought tat was a chart I was just reading with. My bad lol.

 

[rise]

I should know better than to [post while listening to trump. Gets me agitated some...