Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signals support for 'Don't Say Gay' bill

[nakedfrog]

Alabama said "hold my beer".

Just how close to a full-blown Nazi re-enactment are we gonna get here?

 

[SMOGZINN]

note: the school district is the entity to be sued under this, not the teacher.

You are correct. After carful reading the bill that was passed only allows individuals to sue the district, not the teacher.
It will still have far reaching consequences on the teachers, as just an example districts in Florida have to now see LGBTQ+ teachers as liability.

 

[pauldun170]

Old enough to remember when Conservative's used Tort Reform as one of their talking points to stifle discussion on stuff like Health reform.

Tort Reform Perception Versus Reality

www.robinskaplan.com

https://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/United_States_Tort_Reform_Wars_A.TORTS.pdf

 

[hal2kilo]

It's everywhere, it's everywhere...even in math books.

Florida’s Anti-Woke Crusade Has a New Target: Math Textbooks – Mother Jones

 

[Grey_Beard]

It's everywhere, it's everywhere...even in math books.

Florida’s Anti-Woke Crusade Has a New Target: Math Textbooks – Mother Jones

You got to love the effort to just blanket ban these materials. There was no list of the specific books and the reasons for each. Not even an outline of what they deemed CRT in the text with page numbers to show the rationale. Who knows if this even happened or is just hyperbole. Never know with these fools.

The next task is to review the text book for social studies. If the denial rate is less than 80%, I am going to question what they are doing.

 

[Zorba]

If it's a public school, DOE/DOJ should be dropping the hammer via title IX right?

Nuking them seems a bit extreme, doesn't it?






/s (Bad joke for DOE = Department of Energy)

 

[Zorba]

You got to love the effort to just blanket ban these materials. There was no list of the specific books and the reasons for each. Not even an outline of what they deemed CRT in the text with page numbers to show the rationale. Who knows if this even happened or is just hyperbole. Never know with these fools.

The next task is to review the text book for social studies. If the denial rate is less than 80%, I am going to question what they are doing.

But is was a "transparent" process... Transparently corrupt, that is.

 

[sandorski]

You got to love the effort to just blanket ban these materials. There was no list of the specific books and the reasons for each. Not even an outline of what they deemed CRT in the text with page numbers to show the rationale. Who knows if this even happened or is just hyperbole. Never know with these fools.

The next task is to review the text book for social studies. If the denial rate is less than 80%, I am going to question what they are doing.

Almost seems like someone might be "Banning" things so that someone specific gets the Contract.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Almost seems like someone might be "Banning" things so that someone specific gets the Contract.

There is speculation that whomever gets the contract will have some funding to 2022 Napoleon’s presidential campaign and a number of other legislators. The grift is heavy here. They try to cover it with “woke,” “cancel culture,” CRT and what ever fain outrage they can generate. They are fleecing this State, as they already took all but a few million from a multi-billion dollar fund given to the Stare for support of low income housing. Since it’s for PoC and possibly “immigrants” then rage-a-thon overlooks it because it hurt who they want yo hurt. It’s so sad.

 

[sportage]

It's everywhere, it's everywhere...even in math books.

Just wait till DeSantis gets to the books written by Jewish authors.
Then the DeSantis shet will really hit the fan.
Hmmmm, I wonder what DeSantis will do to those Jews, Blacks, Gays, Transgenders after burning their books? Any guess?

Gawd.... something about this seems soooo familiar. I just can't quite put my finger on it. Can you?

 

[Lanyap]

Just wait till DeSantis gets to the books written by Jewish authors.
Then the DeSantis shet will really hit the fan.
Hmmmm, I wonder what DeSantis will do to those Jews, Blacks, Gays, Transgenders after burning their books? Any guess?

Gawd.... something about this seems soooo familiar. I just can't quite put my finger on it. Can you?

No, no ,no. The Jewish folks are ok. Because Israel and all that.

GOP megadonors accompany DeSantis on Israel trip

Sheldon and Miriam Adelson attended the signing ceremony in Ariel with Florida's governor.

www.politico.com

 

[fskimospy]

You got to love the effort to just blanket ban these materials. There was no list of the specific books and the reasons for each. Not even an outline of what they deemed CRT in the text with page numbers to show the rationale. Who knows if this even happened or is just hyperbole. Never know with these fools.

The next task is to review the text book for social studies. If the denial rate is less than 80%, I am going to question what they are doing.

The task is to keep fighting about this by whatever means necessary for the next two years or so until the GOP presidential primary concludes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Desantis attacks Disney over Tax exemptions. Hope he goes after the Mafia too.

 

[Wreckem]

This is going to be a nuts couple of years with Republicans going all in on anti-LGBT laws and crackdowns. Getting TF out of this state before Ken Paxton says I should be in a camp.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1512069264093564931

I used to work in that district. It took a federal civil rights lawsuit for them to go to single member districts for the school board. In a district that is 80% Hispanic it was always represented by old white mostly males and some females. Still represented by mostly old white conservatives. The only people/teachers I heard of people talking politics/religion/sexuality in class were conservatives damming non Christian’s/gays/people who have abortions to hell. Ridiculing homosexuality in front of kids who were gay or trans.

They would routinely limit BSAs from doing much for Black History Month. When then protests started in 2020 the district went viral for all the videos of racist encounters/bullying going on in that district. The school board came out and said they would do better but then did what they did this past fall.

 

[HomerJS]

Desantis attacks Disney over Tax exemptions. Hope he goes after the Mafia too.

I wonder if churches get a state tax exemption? Will he start taxing them if they speak out against his policies?

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder if churches get a state tax exemption? Will he start taxing them if they speak out against his policies?

Seems like using their logic Hobby Lobby, churches, things like that would be ripe for targeted tax increases.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

A. If 'self governing' is wiped out, does that kill HOAs?

B. Can legislation be punitive and for political reasons? Seems ripe for Courts to strike down.

 

[fskimospy]

A. If 'self governing' is wiped out, does that kill HOAs?

B. Can legislation be punitive and for political reasons? Seems ripe for Courts to strike down.

Legislation targeting specific people or entities is a bill of attainder which violates the first amendment. In addition this bill is punishing Disney for speaking so it violates the free speech clause.

The main hurdle will be to get a court to accept the expressly stated position of Florida politicians that they are attacking Disney for speaking in ways they don’t like. It’s obviously true but right wing courts may very well pretend not to know this.

 

[esquared]

It's everywhere, it's everywhere...even in math books.

Florida’s Anti-Woke Crusade Has a New Target: Math Textbooks – Mother Jones

Here's a good opinion article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/19/florida-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory/

If you can't see it through the paywall try this:

archive.ph

One example:
"
This terrible tome is packed with mentions of “regression” and other forms of deviancy (“define conics in terms of eccentricity,” it commands); it tries to promote forbidden teachings about sexuality in requiring young people to identify “the product of conjugate pairs.”
Some of its indoctrinating concepts are merely gross (“Gaussian elimination”), while others are downright disgusting. “The focal chord perpendicular to the axis of the parabola is called the latus rectum,” it says on Page 702. It goes on to tell Florida’s children to “find the length of the latus rectum.” I don’t even want to know how that is done.

/s

But the far-reaching right wouldn't even understand this opinion piece.
Banning math books? Seriously?

 

[Moonbeam]

Legislation targeting specific people or entities is a bill of attainder which violates the first amendment. In addition this bill is punishing Disney for speaking so it violates the free speech clause.

The main hurdle will be to get a court to accept the expressly stated position of Florida politicians that they are attacking Disney for speaking in ways they don’t like. It’s obviously true but right wing courts may very well pretend not to know this.

Can you imagine a country in which justice was just a matte of political opinion? Most of us, it seems to me, grow up thinking that justice is something real. The Founders seem to have thought so.

 

[Pens1566]

Here's a good opinion article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/19/florida-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory/

If you can't see it through the paywall try this:

archive.ph

One example:
"
This terrible tome is packed with mentions of “regression” and other forms of deviancy (“define conics in terms of eccentricity,” it commands); it tries to promote forbidden teachings about sexuality in requiring young people to identify “the product of conjugate pairs.”
Some of its indoctrinating concepts are merely gross (“Gaussian elimination”), while others are downright disgusting. “The focal chord perpendicular to the axis of the parabola is called the latus rectum,” it says on Page 702. It goes on to tell Florida’s children to “find the length of the latus rectum.” I don’t even want to know how that is done.

/s

But the far-reaching right wouldn't even understand this opinion piece.
Banning math books? Seriously?

I'm convinced the book thing is a grift to force using a vendor that is a political contributor.

 

[fskimospy]

Can you imagine a country in which justice was just a matte of political opinion? Most of us, it seems to me, grow up thinking that justice is something real. The Founders seem to have thought so.

While I generally don’t give a shit what the founders thought they did clearly make an effort to limit the ability of government to punish people who defied it. I guess we’ll see if it holds up.

I think justice is always somewhat political but not as political as this.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here's a good opinion article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/19/florida-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory/

If you can't see it through the paywall try this:

archive.ph

One example:
"
This terrible tome is packed with mentions of “regression” and other forms of deviancy (“define conics in terms of eccentricity,” it commands); it tries to promote forbidden teachings about sexuality in requiring young people to identify “the product of conjugate pairs.”
Some of its indoctrinating concepts are merely gross (“Gaussian elimination”), while others are downright disgusting. “The focal chord perpendicular to the axis of the parabola is called the latus rectum,” it says on Page 702. It goes on to tell Florida’s children to “find the length of the latus rectum.” I don’t even want to know how that is done.

/s

But the far-reaching right wouldn't even understand this opinion piece.
Banning math books? Seriously?

Nice.

I had no idea math could be so dangerous.

 

[Moonbeam]

While I generally don’t give a shit what the founders thought they did clearly make an effort to limit the ability of government to punish people who defied it. I guess we’ll see if it holds up.

I think justice is always somewhat political but not as political as this.

Personally I would attribute that indifference to the fact that the Founders were very much under the sway of Masonic thinking, in other words, wisdom derived from the enlightenment experience, and where I see a potential political connection would be because politicians especially are interested in insuring that justice never happens. Why else would conservatives never want progressives on the court. Seems to me that the movement of justice down through the ages was to include more and more people as being able to achieve it, in short, progressive.

 

[sportage]

If "they" and DeSantis can do this to Disney simply over an opinion, just imagine what "they" and DeSantis have in store for the actual gay and trans school kids?
Could a kid that dare wear the rainbow in class be sent home and banned from class? Could a kid that dare sounds gay or look gay or appear gay also be sent home and banned from school?

You have to wonder, how far will this go? Is there an end? How might the parent of a gay kid feel? And, would that parent be allowed an opinion, even when it concerned their own kid?

Who would "they" and DeSantis appoint on this "don't say gay" decision board to go around the school determining which child in the classroom looked too gay, and which child did not?

Will all the students be forced to stand in front of some DeSantis "straight or gay" decision board with the gay kid sent off to the left and the straight kid to the right?
Or.... DeSantis could just impose a new school dress code, maybe something like THIS.
(I hate to give him any ideas)