Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signals support for 'Don't Say Gay' bill

[K1052]

That is probably it. Plus polling can be wildly inaccurate if a poll question is not asked properly.

If an issue poll does not actually explain the policy in question in all it's particulars then it's useless except as a metric of messaging.

The Florida law doesn't just ban instruction it bans discussion and is thus so insanely vague that if a teacher merely mentions their spouse they could be sued. It also does not just apply to K-3 the law states that such discussion for older kids be "age and developmentally appropriate" which again is crazy vague.

 

[brycejones]

If an issue poll does not actually explain the policy in question in all it's particulars then it's useless except as a metric of messaging.

The Florida law doesn't just ban instruction it bans discussion and is thus so insanely vague that if a teacher merely mentions their spouse they could be sued. It also does not just apply to K-3 the law states that such discussion for older kids be "age and developmentally appropriate" which again is crazy vague.

I'm not sure why you would think that. The crazy ass bible thumpers think those subjects should NEVER be discussed regardless of age.

 

[K1052]

I'm not sure why you would think that. The crazy ass bible thumpers think those subjects should NEVER be discussed regardless of age.

My point was that issue polling it tricky and should be viewed very warily. Those bible thumpers are also pointing to this as proof their idea has popular support but they risk overreach once people actually find out the impacts.

It's like Republicans saying they will lower healthcare spending through reforms and people thinking "hmm yes that's probably good" until they find out it actually involves something like burning down retirement homes with the doors locked shut.

 

[Homerboy]

Poll: Only 52% of Democrats oppose Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' policy

Is Yahoo pushing right wing, or is this a legitimate representation of the issue?
Could it mean the language of the bill, and the marketing "don't teach sex ed to K-3" is an effective campaign?

Except that's not what the bill does.

 

[K1052]

Except that's not what the bill does.

Right. The only way it gets this much "support" is by Republicans lying about what the bill does and media/polling firms parroting those lies back to people when asking them their opinion.

 

[Homerboy]

Right. The only way it gets this much "support" is by Republicans lying about what the bill does and media/polling firms parroting those lies back to people when asking them their opinion.

as I said before in this thread and elsewhere, these GOPers and bible thumpers aren't stupid. They know what they are doing and how to get it done. They are pure assholes, but they have a plan and execute it quite well. I'm sick of playing nice with them.

 

[fskimospy]

Except that's not what the bill does.

Right - in fact Democrats attempted an amendment to the bill that would have made it only apply to sex ed and Republicans voted it down. It was their undeniable, specific intent for this to apply far beyond sex ed.

 

[K1052]

as I said before in this thread and elsewhere, these GOPers and bible thumpers aren't stupid. They know what they are doing and how to get it done. They are pure assholes, but they have a plan and execute it quite well. I'm sick of playing nice with them.

There is a sizable chance that this whole thing implodes though when it enters the lawsuit phase and the general public clues in to how bad of an idea this was.

 

[K1052]

Right - in fact Democrats attempted an amendment to the bill that would have made it only apply to sex ed and Republicans voted it down. It was their undeniable, specific intent for this to apply far beyond sex ed.

Republicans: Judges shouldn't be legislators.

*pass purposefully vague harmful law*

Also Republicans: Lets get some precedents on the books.

 

[fskimospy]

There is a sizable chance that this whole thing implodes though when it enters the lawsuit phase and the general public clues in to how bad of an idea this was.

Yes, this seems highly likely when poor Mrs. Smith is sued and her livelihood destroyed for saying she got married last weekend or something.

There is also a decent chance this law is very quickly blocked due to it's almost comically unconstitutional nature before this happens, which Republicans may be counting on to save them from the backlash. Then they can just claim the law was great but the mean old librul courts wouldn't let them do it.

 

[brycejones]

My point was that issue polling it tricky and should be viewed very warily. Those bible thumpers are also pointing to this as proof their idea has popular support but they risk overreach once people actually find out the impacts.

It's like Republicans saying they will lower healthcare spending through reforms and people thinking "hmm yes that's probably good" until they find out it actually involves something like burning down retirement homes with the doors locked shut.

I really should have included the /s. I agree with you.

 

[Pens1566]

There is a sizable chance that this whole thing implodes though when it enters the lawsuit phase and the general public clues in to how bad of an idea this was.

Or when the first straight teacher mentions their husband/wife and someone smart complains using the literal wording of the bill.

 

[fskimospy]

Or when the first straight teacher mentions their husband/wife and someone smart complains using the literal wording of the bill.

Yes I expect there to be a efforts by liberal groups to manufacture lawsuits showcasing the absurdity of the law.

 

[Pens1566]

Yes I expect there to be a efforts by liberal groups to manufacture lawsuits showcasing the absurdity of the law.

As they should ... equal application of the law and all.

 

[fskimospy]

As they should ... equal application of the law and all.

Absolutely - they should find the oldest, kindliest, friendliest grandma of a teacher possible (who is willing to play along) and then sue her for mentioning she's been married to her grandpa of a husband for 30 years or whatever.

 

[Pens1566]

Absolutely - they should find the oldest, kindliest, friendliest grandma of a teacher possible (who is willing to play along) and then sue her for mentioning she's been married to her grandpa of a husband for 30 years or whatever.

I mean, I'd go after some bible-thumping Karen that's married to a country club asshole state GOP something or other but ...

 

[nakedfrog]

Poll: Only 52% of Democrats oppose Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' policy

Is Yahoo pushing right wing, or is this a legitimate representation of the issue?
Could it mean the language of the bill, and the marketing "don't teach sex ed to K-3" is an effective campaign?

24% "aren't sure" how they feel, which leaves 24% in support of it, if you want to look at it a different way.
But I'm not sure how much value I'd put on an online survey conducted by YouGov for Yahoo News.
And in any case, I think this is maybe another instance where perhaps there should be evidence to support the need for such a law... but there's probably a good reason why that evidence has not been sought (it might not be about protecting the children at all, oh my!)

 

[fskimospy]

I mean, I'd go after some bible-thumping Karen that's married to a country club asshole state GOP something or other but ...

I don't think so - the goal isn't to punish Republicans who might support the law, it's to undermine the political position of those who voted for it by showcasing kindly old grandma being ruined by it for the crime of talking about how she loves her husband of 30 years.

 

[Pens1566]

I don't think so - the goal isn't to punish Republicans who might support the law, it's to undermine the political position of those who voted for it by showcasing kindly old grandma being ruined by it for the crime of talking about how she loves her husband of 30 years.

 

[hal2kilo]

But here comes the party against Cancel Culture and Wokeness.

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[ElFenix]

note: the school district is the entity to be sued under this, not the teacher.

 

[K1052]

This is going to be a nuts couple of years with Republicans going all in on anti-LGBT laws and crackdowns. Getting TF out of this state before Ken Paxton says I should be in a camp.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1512069264093564931

 

[ch33zw1z]

Totally not cancel culture /s

 

[Fenixgoon]

This is going to be a nuts couple of years with Republicans going all in on anti-LGBT laws and crackdowns. Getting TF out of this state before Ken Paxton says I should be in a camp.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1512069264093564931

If it's a public school, DOE/DOJ should be dropping the hammer via title IX right?

 

[darkswordsman17]

GOP pushing genocide culture.