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Flat versus Well, Non flat monitors

wxjunkie

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Ohhkay, aside from the picky people, is a flat screen monitor worth the extra 100 bucks? Or is a shiny new Viewsonic 19" A90 just fine?

I ordered a Samsung DF755, it arrived yesterday, crisp vibrant colors, but I didn't really notice much change with the flat screen. As a matter of fact it took me ten minutes to orient the screen the way I wanted it (pincushion, skewing, etc).

Had to send it back though, the screen was scratched, sooo I'm off to a local store to get a new one. Was I right that the difference is only meaningful to the picky? (no offense to the picky nation)

 
i like flat...makes it easyer to read lots of text off a screen and makes it less straining to sit at a computer 24/7. Games look more nice and so do all graphics, ever see a Flat trinitron tv in the store, looks so much cooler and nice to watch, usualy colors are better too.
 
Is it worth the extra $100? Well that is completely up to the individual.

Would I pay an extra $100? Yes I would.

Can you tell a difference? Well when you compare them side to side yes. But if you have used a non-flat model for a while, then you would be just fine with another like it.

I have a Sony GDM-400PS 19" Trinitron. It's an awesome monitor, vertically flat but not horizontally flat. I love it. However when I walk up to a newer 19" that is completely flat, I fall in love. It is much easier on the eyes if you ask me.

If you have the money, I'd go for it.
 
Is the step up to 19" better when going with a flat screen? The Samsung I sent back today was only a 17"

I understand its strictly to the eye of the beholder, but technically speaking, is the crispness of the picture because of the dot pitch and overall quality of the monitor, or does the flat screen have a large hand in it?
 
I believe the crispness of the picture has to due with the dot pitch and the tube itself. The size of the monitor shouldn't play as large as a role.

I would get th 19". I have a 19" and a 17" side by side, and it is far more comfortable to be in front of the 19". As soon as I can I want to get a 21". My 19" doesn't compare to those ...
 
Tried the Viewsonic EF70. Didn't like the fact that the flat screen was divided into thirds with a visible line dividing them! Also, took a while to get used to the concave looking view!
IMHO, not worth the extra bucks just for glare reduction.
 
actually, flat monitors have a harder time focusing at the corners, due to the electron gun having farther distances at the center than at the sides/corners. but since flat screens moitors almost alwaz are accompanied by higher quality guns and other parts, the affect is not as noticable.
 
I used a Dell 19" for about 3-4 years, then switched over to a Hitachi CM771. I lent the Dell to my suitemate. After a week of using my Hitachi, I walked into his room to get something and happened to take a look at my monitor. That thing is a FISHBOWL! I don't think I would ever be able to go back to a nonflat monitor again. But yeah, if I never had the Hitachi, I would probably never notice or give a big hoot about it... To me, it's definitely worth the money.
 
Another vote for 19" flat screen.....They're not perfect geometry wise.....just get over it... 🙂 Just try and find one with the best focus qualities all across the screen...
 
I bought a 17" KDS one and find it is much easier on the eyes than a non-flat. I often stared at the screen for long periods of time doing school work and it helps. The best example I could give is when I changed from a non-flat to a flat in the middle of COBOL (now why my school has us learn THAT ancient language I do not know), now the flat MADE a huge difference. I usually had real weary eyes after the 500th line of code, but now I could work at the computer for a longer period of time (still not sure it that good for me thru).
 
me and a friend worked on a CS project for 34 hours last year on a 17": monitor at 1280x1024@60hz. We took breaks every 5 hours to eat and stuff for about an hour. My eyes are totally screwed up now i'm sure, so used to 60-75hz, but i'm getting a av195tf next month, so maybe i'll notice.
 


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That is unacceptable! Anything under 75hz is just horrible, maybe that's why your eyes strained so much.

Anyways getting to the point, if you look at any mass monitor review, you will see that the top positions in text quality/graphics quality will never be held by a flat screen monitor. I don't really know why that is, but flat screens aka trinitrons get fuzzy text at high resolutions. I can't stand the damper wires either.

I currently have a 19&quot; non-flat monitor and you really can't tell it's round from 3 feet away, I mean the graphics aren't concaved in any direction. If you get a flat-screen however, you will see a little bowing.

Also you can't have short lengh monitors with flat screens because of the physics, but there are many 19&quot; short lenght non-flats that take up the space of a 15&quot; monitor and if you need that, non-flat is the only way to go.

I have to admit that flat-screens are more &quot;cooler&quot; looking and they do add more depth to the colors, and I guess it's worth the extra bucks to get a flat-screen. However, if you go non-trinitron flat-screens such as Samsung's DynaFlat monitors, you get flat-screens for the price of fishbowls. That also gets rid of the damper wires if those things bother you.
 
well yeah, a flat monitor adds distortion, thast why it'll never get the best quality, the geometric distortion especially on the edges and corners is bad. Reason being if you have a gun pointing out from a the center and you want to shoot an equal length beam of photons at a phosphor mask, then that means that it cant be flat on the glass side or else the beams would all be different lenghts. which is why screens are rouned in the first place. And also why monitors are so deep, to minimize the angle of a circle that the monitor represents. flat screens are sorta like tricks that make it flat, with the glass and also makes the beams not the right length (especially in the corners) thus the distortion




 
This is a copy I posted on another tread yesterday, it applies here as well, my apologies to those who have read it a second time.

There is a reason that the original televisions had almost round picture tubes and that today the IMAX theaters use a domed screen. In general it is easier keep focus consistent if you project a beam onto the inside of a curved surface. Almost every monitor has better focus in the center of the screen than at the edges. This is because the beam is at right angles to the screen. The trick is to keep focus uniformly good over the entire screen.

Manufacturers have developed technologies (dynamic focus circuits, etc.) that do a good job at improving beam shape and size in the corners of the screen. However no circuit or technique can make the beam 100% accurate. On average and because of these facts, I believe that monitors with slightly curved screens will produce better text. This is why many people believe that shadow mask monitors provide better text images that aperture grill technology. Shadow mask monitors are curved in two directions like a ball and aperture grill is curved in one direction like a cylinder.

Try this experiment. Take a flashlight and aim it straight at a wall you will see the spot the beam creates is sharp and round. Now aim the flashlight up into the corner of the wall. You will see the beam shape change to a more oval shape and spread out. In general terms this is what's happening in your CRT monitor. The flatter the surface the more the beam spreads out or defocuses. Now imagine that you are in an IMAX domed theater. If you shine the flashlight at any portion of the inside of the dome, the beam shape and size stays much more consistently focused.

In my opinion the only real benefit of flat CRT technology is slightly better glare reduction. There are many ways to reduce glare and reflection and save $$ at the same time. For example: Remove some light bulbs, change the position on the monitor or glare source, use reflective lights instead of direct lighting, use after market anti glare panels and shades, close a window shade, etc.

I'm not saying that all flat screen monitors will look bad. On the contrary, My point is that monitors, like all electronic equipment will vary in quality and performance, even when comparing two of the same model. This is why I have such a hard time with the posts I see on this board saying &quot;my brand X is better than brand Y&quot;. A single unit from a statistical point of view means very little. Remember human beings are doing the alignment on the assembly line. These technicians have various degrees of training and experience and because of this, monitors will vary in quality to some degree.

When you purchase an electronic device what you are really purchasing in my opinion is the company that sold you the product. What I mean by that is, will the company stand by its products should you have a problem. How easy will it be to get in touch with their tech support should you need them. Do they offer special services like enhanced warranties that you may require etc. Do your homework before you make a purchase.
 
ToxicMussels,
the &quot;visible lines&quot; that are on the monitor are called dampening lines, they are supposed to be there and after a while you dont notice them... they arnt on all flatscreens.
 
I find that flat screens are a bit easier on the eyes and they have much reduced glare. However Gosharkss is right, a &quot;normally&quot; shaped CRT has the potential to be a better image than a flat (at the center they would be the same all over factors equal, but as he said away from the center most noticably at the corners the image is not as clear).

I personally like the flat screens namely because I like to watch DVDs on my monitor and I like 16:9 aspect and a flat screen like a theatre. For games and text and stuff I really don't think it makes much difference once you get used to either or.

Personally I plan my next monitor to be flat (for the reason I mentioned) but if you can't think of a good reason for it to be I wouldn't waste the coin...don't get a flat monitor because &quot;it's the cool thing to do&quot;
 
Hmm. I have two monitors on my desk right now. One is vertically flat, the other bowlish. The bowlish one looks kind of funny and you notice the difference once your eyes have adjusted to a more natural visual flatter screen.
I don't notice any corner focus problems. If you get bad electronics you get bad electronics, simple.
I guess that a reasonably flat screen is good enough. The tint of the glass is almost as important. If you look at the cheapest big televisions you can buy, you'll see that isn't good enough curvature for a monitor.
 
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