flashing 9800pro > 9800XT

[faye]

just to post my result.

after the flashing, i just give each side a 10mhz of boost(420/380)

the only did 1 test whcih is the 3dmark01se
i got 18100
P4-2.8e@3.43G, ram @ cas 2-4-4-8, 9800pro flashed to xt @420/380
hmm actually i dropped 200 something

when i had the same setup except the real 9800pro @ 423/370
my 3dmark01 result was 20800...

hmmm... what is going on? i thought after the flashing i can get a better performance everywhere.

oh, once again, i used the "Club3D 9800XT 128mb bios" bios for flashing..

what happens to be the problem?

 

[faye]

oh during the "nature" in 3dmark01, i got artifacts, but others like matrix, vehicle.. are fine.

what other change i've made is i swtiched from 4.6 Omegadrive to 4.7 omegadriver

i've slided all those vsyn bars to the far left in the display menu.

 

[Megatomic]

Cleanly uninstall the Omega drivers and try the reference ATI Catalyst drivers. Use Driver Cleaner to ensure the best possible install.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: faye
oh during the "nature" in 3dmark01, i got artifacts, but others like matrix, vehicle.. are fine.

what other change i've made is i swtiched from 4.6 Omegadrive to 4.7 omegadriver

i've slided all those vsyn bars to the far left in the display menu.

Try ati's drivers (as already suggested).

If you are getting artifacting - i did originally [esp in 'nature'], when i got over 80 C - you need to back down on the O/C and/or cool your card better.

don't know ANYthing about your new card's bios "Club3D 9800XT 128mb"; why didn't you try the Hercules BIOS as suggested?

 

[faye]

hmm, the hercules is for 256mb of r9800p, isn't it?

i thought the club3d is for 128mb...

however, i did use the drivercleaner 3(got it from the same site) clean most of the ati*.*(i delete them manually windows\system32 , but they still remain.)

i try to install the original driver tonite, cuz i am in my office right now..

about the artifacts in "nature", i just up the clock for 10mhz, i thought i could up the clock 10%. when it were still a "pro" i could up at least 10%, and i have vga silencer r3 installed all the time@hi all the time.

 

[faye]

i need more advices.,
apoppin.?!?!

"Hercules Radeon 9800 XT 256MB DDR Hynix 2.5ns 412/365 Hercules "

do u mean this one that i should be using instead of everything?
once again, mine is the 128mb version, not 256mb version

i kinda feel that the newer bios is not giving me any performance gain in fact vice versa.

 

[welst10]

I have a 9800 pro too overclocked to 420/360. 3Dmarks03 score 6500. I am hesitated to do the flash too.

 

[faye]

i tried my luck to burn my card,

i tried to use the hercules bios for flashing(the one i just mentioned)

this is what i get:

ASIC memory config does not match with bios file "Hercules.bin" memory config
use -f to force flashing
Error 0FC01: press 1 to continue.

 

[welst10]

Originally posted by: faye
i tried my luck to burn my card,

i tried to use the hercules bios for flashing(the one i just mentioned)

this is what i get:

ASIC memory config does not match with bios file "Hercules.bin" memory config
use -f to force flashing
Error 0FC01: press 1 to continue.

just go back to 9800 rpo. it's not worth the hassle. that's why i havent' done it. if u oc your card, flashing probably will improve little. not worth it

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: faye
i tried my luck to burn my card,

i tried to use the hercules bios for flashing(the one i just mentioned)

this is what i get:

ASIC memory config does not match with bios file "Hercules.bin" memory config
use -f to force flashing
Error 0FC01: press 1 to continue.

sorry for the late reply . . . unfortunately i have to work.

flashing a 128MB Radeon Pro with an XT bios seems a YMMV kinda thing. i would hesitate to do it: 1) you have no real way to monitor the temps 2) if you GPU's RAM is not up to the spec, you will have problems . . . i suspect your Pro has slower ram . . .

i'd flash it back and settle for a mild O/C.

 

[faye]

hahaa, in fact i didn't backup the my card's bios,

can i use the bios there? like Sapphire 128mb?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: faye
hahaa, in fact i didn't backup the my card's bios,

can i use the bios there? like Sapphire 128mb?

oops!

give it a try . . . just try to make as close a match as possible . . . what kind of RAM is on your card?

There is only ONE bios HERE that might fit your card - the Sapphire

Here are it's specs:

128MB DDR Samsung 2.86ns 378/338

Check pout the links from here for (maybe) more

g'luck!

 

[faye]

the ram is hynix
215R9BKA11F

the one u gave me is for samsung? fit?

EDIT: oh i see the other one is for DDRII which is definitely not fit.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: faye
i need more advices.,
apoppin.?!?!

"Hercules Radeon 9800 XT 256MB DDR Hynix 2.5ns 412/365 Hercules "

do u mean this one that i should be using instead of everything?
once again, mine is the 128mb version, not 256mb version

i kinda feel that the newer bios is not giving me any performance gain in fact vice versa.

jeeze dude, are U blind?



there are THREE (3) 128MB 9800XT BIOSes from the link you used

ATI Radeon 9800 XT 128MB DDR Samsung Unknown 412/365 ATI

Gigacube Radeon 9800 XT (E-Die) 128MB DDR Samsung Unknown 412/365 Gigacube

Sapphire Radeon 9800 XT 128MB DDR Hynix 2.8ns 412/365 Sapphire THIS one!

let this be a lesson 2 u . . .

. . . STUDY and UNDERstand what U are doing b4 u do it!



try try again . . .

EDIT: Please understand that flashing to a cards BIOS with DIFFERENT RAM will give variable results. If your ram is not up to the Hynix2.8ns ram of the Sapphire XT, you will have problems . . . THAT's WHY you have to back up your old card's bios.

If it doesn't work -or you can't flash to ANOTHER 9800Pro successfully - you might try to get a BIOS file from someone on the forum that has your same card

 

[faye]

HEY DUDE, U KNOW WHAT!!
I GUESS... i was blind.. hahaa

oh, just missed that tiny little line hidding in the passage.

 

[faye]

this bios is basically the same or even worse..

after flashing, i can't overclock anymore... anything more than 10mhz will give me artifact.
so the clock stays at 410/365

but when it was a pro.. i can clock it as 420/380 not only that the clock has pass the XT clock but also pass the XT speed.

what i am getting after flashing is:3dmark01, 18400. stable but artifacts in some tests.

pro @ 420/380, 21000. very stable no artifact

now i want to switch back, but i used a cdrom to boot it and i didn't know that i could use my harddrive to flash it... so i didn't, and i couldn't backup my old bios.
is there ways that i can get my old bios back, from any sites?
mine is a Grandmars Radeon 9800pro 128mb

EDIT: one thing i didn't up the agp voltage, does it matter?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: faye
this bios is basically the same or even worse..

after flashing, i can't overclock anymore... anything more than 10mhz will give me artifact.
so the clock stays at 410/365

but when it was a pro.. i can clock it as 420/380 not only that the clock has pass the XT clock but also pass the XT speed.

what i am getting after flashing is:3dmark01, 18400. stable but artifacts in some tests.

pro @ 420/380, 21000. very stable no artifact

now i want to switch back, but i used a cdrom to boot it and i didn't know that i could use my harddrive to flash it... so i didn't, and i couldn't backup my old bios.
is there ways that i can get my old bios back, from any sites?
mine is a Grandmars Radeon 9800pro 128mb

EDIT: one thing i didn't up the agp voltage, does it matter?

you could 'up' the agp voltage but you seem to now have an UNstable card BECAUSE of the BIOS flash.

If i were now "stuck" in your situation, i'd be trying SEVERAL BIOSes (including the 128MB XT w/hynix ram).

I's also post on internet forums - eespcially try rage3d.com forums - to ask for the specific original bios for your card.

g'luck finding it and/or fixing it!

 

[imported_Prod]

Ok to start I have a BBA 9800 Pro 128mb card and I have a R350 core. I flashed my 9800 to 9800XT with no problems i have also tryed 6 differnet card brand bios. all of them working jsut fine, but i got a friend to mod my 9800 Pro bios to 9800XT bios and i get the best fps with them go here to read more about what i did.http://www.driverheaven.net/bios/ Also this ERROR (Error 0FC01) that is flashrom telling you that ms dos doesnt like what you did just change the bios name to something like 9800.bin and you should be fine. Now the other thing the artfacts in 3dmark i get them and I know why i get them 3dmark is confused on the changings you did to the card if you run other benchmark programs and even run games you will get no artfacts. I dont get 1 artfact in DOOM 3 and i am running at 800x600 Ultra high settings. I only get that in 3damrk01 and 03 do to that reason.
I use AquaMark3 to benchmark my card. Since it puts the whole computer to the test. The other thing with the overlcocking thing. you said that you were able to overclock better with the 9800 Pro bios to the XT bios. try differnet bios. i can overclock more now with the XT bios. before i could only go to 430/370 now with the same cooler you have and the XT bios. i can overclock to 460/405 which is a big jump from default speeds of a 9800 Pro.The main thing i know i get with teh XT bios is hte better Ram timings which should help you out alot. Yhe guy who wrote the the stuff on that link gave him a pm and he will help you out. He is really helpful, or if you would like jsut pm me and i will try to help you out to. Oh also I wouldnt touch the AGP volts that is going to burn your card out fastter i did it with my 9700 Pro.

 

[faye]

oh, that link u provide directs me to a bios which uses Samsung ram

my card is a R360 and uses Hynix.. does it matter?

 

[faye]

so i found that the bios files u provide has some "E-Die" wording at the end of the bios, what does it mean?

and all of them say samsung ram, but on that page it says hynix/samsung, i am confused.

i have artifact when using 3dmark01... i haven't tried other benchmark method yet. now i will try to bench it with dm3

 

[imported_Prod]

yea it is ok to flash to Samsung ram i have the same ram as you. The E-die is a new kind of ram Samsung is putting out. from what i have seen the E-die ram is jsut a differnet kind of ram that lets you overclock higher in that folder the GigaCubes ones are the ones that i have seen work on most ppl's cards the others work just not as weel.as long as you hae 2.2 to 2.8 HYNIX ram you will be fine anything higher than that dont becasue it wont work. and if you ahve anyother kind of Ram other than Samung or HYNIX dont do it to becasue it wont work. I have seen ppl with HYNIX ram try to flash with HYNIX ram bios and it didnt work or they got problems while useing them. the Samsung ones should work jsut make sure you save the bios you ahve on there right now so you can go back to them.

 

[faye]

hmm, i didn't save my original bios at first, however i am now using a bios called something "Cube" too., i am wondering if it is the same...

I will try it tonite..

ur definitely correct when i overclock, my 3dmark01 will have artifact all over the screen, i haven't tried to finish the whole demo yet..
but in doom3, i don't get any artifacts at all.. the clock is 430/760...

however, the clock rate is higher, but i only see 3 fps gain(the most) ., is it normal?

 

[imported_Prod]

yes it is. but whatever you can get in DOOM is helpfully.

 

[tlam617]

upgrading from pro to xt gave me a 12.69% increase in performance. great buy.

from 5647 to 6364

 

[faye]

that much?

then did u overclock after u flashed it?