Flash a cop because his lights are bright and die

[Pipeline 1010]

Wait. It's legal to flash your high beams in MI?! The article says that he did nothing illegal and that there was no primary offense to justify the secondary offense of not showing the requested ID, but flashing your lights is a primary offense everywhere I know of.

Sounds like he decided to "flex" "rights" he didn't have. 🙄

I've seen so many idiots think they know the law trying that stuff. My favorite is when they claim they aren't resisting while they clearly are as they keep pulling hands away and trying to keep them in the air. Newsflash: keeping hands in the air while an officer attempts to cuff then behind your back IS resisting. Flopping when an officer tries to force you somewhere IS resisting.

You've never, never flashed your highs at someone who's coming at you with high beams? Really? Never? It's common fucking courtesy across most of the country. On some back highways late at night, it is common for people to flash each-other just to make sure the other guy is awake. One will flash, the other flashes back, and all is good. No blindness. No police warnings. Hell, I've forgotten my high beams are on a few times, and I got flashed. Only I didn't pull the flasher over and demand ID and taze them and shoot them when they attack me for tazing them. You know what I did? I adjusted my lights. You know, the morally right thing to do.

You seem in love with the letter of the law no matter whether it is morally right or wrong in a certain instance. Where in your comments are you calling for the officer to be ticketed for blinding 4+ people? Cuz that's what he did. He even admitted to it. Your panties are in a wad over a brief flash, but driving around for hours blinding people is OK just because the perp has a badge, right? I can guess your profession in 1 (one) tries.

 

[OverVolt]

You've never, never flashed your highs at someone who's coming at you with high beams? Really? Never? It's common fucking courtesy across most of the country. On some back highways late at night, it is common for people to flash each-other just to make sure the other guy is awake. One will flash, the other flashes back, and all is good. No blindness. No police warnings. Hell, I've forgotten my high beams are on a few times, and I got flashed. Only I didn't pull the flasher over and demand ID and taze them and shoot them when they attack me for tazing them. You know what I did? I adjusted my lights. You know, the morally right thing to do.

You seem in love with the letter of the law no matter whether it is morally right or wrong in a certain instance. Where in your comments are you calling for the officer to be ticketed for blinding 4+ people? Cuz that's what he did. He even admitted to it. Your panties are in a wad over a brief flash, but driving around for hours blinding people is OK just because the perp has a badge, right? I can guess your profession in 1 (one) tries.

Yes, I know on the bolded. CZ embodies alot of things I don't like about this forum. Its like people on this forum haven't lived in the real world for about 10 years. This is a completely useless group of people for wisdom. It used to be great in the early 2000's. Its like he has never driven on a rural road his whole life. Maybe he hasn't. In which case why bother talking to a moron who trolls the internet and has never driven on a rural road his whole life, or if he does, he does it wrong.

Not even the tech advice is very good anymore. Its quite sad.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Yes, I know on the bolded. CZ embodies alot of things I don't like about this forum. Its like people on this forum haven't lived in the real world for about 10 years. This is a completely useless group of people for wisdom. It used to be great in the early 2000's. Its like he has never driven on a rural road his whole life. Maybe he hasn't. In which case why bother talking to a moron who trolls the internet and has never driven on a rural road his whole life, or if he does, he does it wrong.

Not even the tech advice is very good anymore. Its quite sad.

Take heart. The useless people are getting called out more and more. There are probably only 2 or 3 idiots posting in this thread, and you seem to have focused on them as representative of the rest of us. Don't worry, they aren't. Just posting your comment helps reassure the rest of us. Thanks for that.

However, the high beam flashes are not just on rural roads, so CZ doesn't even have that excuse. Drive around with your high beams in downtown SF or along the PCH in Newport Beach and see if you get flashed or not. (Hint: you will. A lot. And the flashers won't get a papers-please cop to give them freedom warnings or liberty tickets). I think he suffers from "Law's the law, son" syndrome, in which every minor infraction needs a cop to inflict violent "justice" and nothing a cop can do is wrong because cop.

I keep coming back to this: the cop pulling over 4 people for friendly, UNIVERSAL warnings is nothing more than an insecure, petty, tyrant of an asshole who wants to put people in their "proper place" and has the legal power to do so.

 

[SparkyJJO]

The traffic stop was over a friendly and brief "hey friend, your lights are too bright" flash of high beams. Probably high beams that were of about equal power to the cop's regular beams (which blinded a minimum of 4 people). Darwin award should have been given to the cop who decides to continue driving around with extra strength regular beams which blinded everyone and then decides to confront everyone who doesn't like it. The Darwin award should go to the asshole who confronts people for letting him know he is an asshole, not the dude who doesn't like getting shat on and stands up to said shatting.



If the other citizen pulled this guy over and demanded ID and other things from this guy backed by the implicit threat that any non-compliance would be met with state sanctioned violence, then yes...I would still be on the "idiot's" side. Although the real idiot in this case is the one who blinded many drivers and then gave them official warnings for letting him know they were blinding him.

Let's play your game in reverse. Had a regular non-cop citizen pulled over a cop for doing the same thing, demanded the cop's ID, and tazed the cop for non-compliance, and the cop had enough and attacked the citizen, would you be calling the cop the idiot?



The assault began with stopping someone over a friendly warning that the initiator of violence received many times and knew exactly what the warning meant. It is universal language all across the nation to give a quick flash of high beams if someone is driving around with bright lights that blind everybody. It's good manners, common sense, and completely inoffensive. In fact, I bet you've done this multiple times yourself. Did you get pulled over for it?

*whooosh* right over your head, and pretty much confirmed my suspicions. You're only believing what you want to believe, and that is really made obvious by your "play my game" with some nonsense about somebody pulling a cop over asking for ID. Seriously? 🙄

But to answer your question at the end, yes I have flashed my lights at someone who had his brights on, several occasions in fact. That said, it happens to not be illegal to do so here. But if it was, and I got pulled over for it, I wouldn't have tried punching the cop in the face because I didn't like it. Doing so is stupid. Sorry if you can't seem to figure out that attacking a cop because you don't like the law is a stupid thing to do.

Might I suggest checking on your state and local traffic laws and, for your own personal safety, not attacking a police officer if he pulls you over for breaking one.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

*whooosh* right over your head, and pretty much confirmed my suspicions. You're only believing what you want to believe, and that is really made obvious by your "play my game" with some nonsense about somebody pulling a cop over asking for ID. Seriously? 🙄

Hey I played your game and won. You worship the letter of the law and it only ever can flow in one direction. Citizens must bow every time to cops. Cops must never be beholden to the citizens whom they serve and who pay their salaries. And cops are never in the wrong. Pulling someone over in response to a friendly non-harmful warning, demanding "papers, please" and escalating the situation into violence is proper and good and moral in your small mind. Fixing the REAL PROBLEM, which is "my lights are so damn bright I'm blinding everyone" doesn't even occur to you. Why? WHY?

And why is it nonsense that someone should pull over a cop who blinds everyone? OK, how about not pulling over the cop...how about just flashing high beams which is UNIVERSALLY recognized communication? Is your argument that since the cop is a cop, they should be allowed to blind people and that nobody should be allowed to let them know that they are compromising everyone's safety? How is your argument not at the very heart of every argument in favor of tyranny?

But to answer your question at the end, yes I have flashed my lights at someone who had his brights on, several occasions in fact.

So is it morally right to flash or wrong? Or are you a simpleton who needs a law to inform you of the morality of your own actions?

That said, it happens to not be illegal to do so here.

"If I did it in Nevada it's fucking immoral, but if I did it in Michigan then it's a liberty action." Retard.

You know what else is illegal? The law says the cop can't be driving around with lights that blind people. I'm waiting for you to call for the cop to be ticketed and asked for papers please and tazed if he takes too long and shot to death if he fights back after being tazed.

But if it was, and I got pulled over for it, I wouldn't have tried punching the cop in the face because I didn't like it. Doing so is stupid. Sorry if you can't seem to figure out that attacking a cop because you don't like the law is a stupid thing to do.

Yes, our founding fathers should have accepted British tyranny because of the law. Fucking tool. You would have HATED our founding fathers. They broke a bunch of laws and stuff. Those dicks should have been shot, amirite?

Besides, he was tazed before he "ALLEGEDLY" punched the cop. He was violently brutalized first, not vice-versa. If you think a police badge is a license to brutalize people without accountability, then kindly fuck you.

Might I suggest checking on your state and local traffic laws and, for your own personal safety, not attacking a police officer if he pulls you over for breaking one.

If flashing brights is against the law, then isn't driving around blinding people also against the law? Which is it? Fucking decide. If a cop is breaking the law and then pulls people over demanding papers and writing official warnings for people who are breaking it less than the cop is, isn't that morally wrong? Isn't it our duty to resist being shat on? Or does a badge exempt a cop from morality? I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.

 

[Ackmed]

It is illegal to flash the lights, that has been proven. There is no evidence that the cops lights were too bright to where they were breaking the law. Lots of new cars (which he said he had) have HID's which are fucking bright. That doesn't mean that they are illegal. So stop trying to compare the FACT that the kid broke the law, and trying to claim that the cop did.

 

[Ichinisan]

The traffic stop was over a friendly and brief "hey friend, your lights are too bright" flash of high beams. Probably high beams that were of about equal power to the cop's regular beams (which blinded a minimum of 4 people). Darwin award should have been given to the cop who decides to continue driving around with extra strength regular beams which blinded everyone and then decides to confront everyone who doesn't like it. The Darwin award should go to the asshole who confronts people for letting him know he is an asshole, not the dude who doesn't like getting shat on and stands up to said shatting.



If the other citizen pulled this guy over and demanded ID and other things from this guy backed by the implicit threat that any non-compliance would be met with state sanctioned violence, then yes...I would still be on the "idiot's" side. Although the real idiot in this case is the one who blinded many drivers and then gave them official warnings for letting him know they were blinding him.

Let's play your game in reverse. Had a regular non-cop citizen pulled over a cop for doing the same thing, demanded the cop's ID, and tazed the cop for non-compliance, and the cop had enough and attacked the citizen, would you be calling the cop the idiot?



The assault began with stopping someone over a friendly warning that the initiator of violence received many times and knew exactly what the warning meant. It is universal language all across the nation to give a quick flash of high beams if someone is driving around with bright lights that blind everybody. It's good manners, common sense, and completely inoffensive. In fact, I bet you've done this multiple times yourself. Did you get pulled over for it?

You are deluding yourself.

Also, you don't seem to know what a Darwin Award is.

 

[Ichinisan]

You've never, never flashed your highs at someone who's coming at you with high beams? Really? Never? It's common fucking courtesy across most of the country. On some back highways late at night, it is common for people to flash each-other just to make sure the other guy is awake. One will flash, the other flashes back, and all is good. No blindness. No police warnings. Hell, I've forgotten my high beams are on a few times, and I got flashed. Only I didn't pull the flasher over and demand ID and taze them and shoot them when they attack me for tazing them. You know what I did? I adjusted my lights. You know, the morally right thing to do.

You seem in love with the letter of the law no matter whether it is morally right or wrong in a certain instance. Where in your comments are you calling for the officer to be ticketed for blinding 4+ people? Cuz that's what he did. He even admitted to it. Your panties are in a wad over a brief flash, but driving around for hours blinding people is OK just because the perp has a badge, right? I can guess your profession in 1 (one) tries.

What's his profession? No searching

He said flashing was against the law in most places and it counts as the initial offense to justify the stop. He didn't say he has never flashed and he didn't condemn anyone for flashing 🙄

 

[Ichinisan]

Yes, I know on the bolded. CZ embodies alot of things I don't like about this forum. Its like people on this forum haven't lived in the real world for about 10 years. This is a completely useless group of people for wisdom. It used to be great in the early 2000's. Its like he has never driven on a rural road his whole life. Maybe he hasn't. In which case why bother talking to a moron who trolls the internet and has never driven on a rural road his whole life, or if he does, he does it wrong.

Not even the tech advice is very good anymore. Its quite sad.

Oh? So someone implied that CZ condemns flashing and you allow yourself to be manipulated into believing it?

CZroe simply said the flashing was probably illegal and can be used to justify a stop. He didn't condemn the guy for flashing. I happen to know CZroe flashes his high beams to communicate to other drivers in exactly the same way.

 

[Ichinisan]

*whooosh* right over your head, and pretty much confirmed my suspicions. You're only believing what you want to believe, and that is really made obvious by your "play my game" with some nonsense about somebody pulling a cop over asking for ID. Seriously? 🙄

But to answer your question at the end, yes I have flashed my lights at someone who had his brights on, several occasions in fact. That said, it happens to not be illegal to do so here. But if it was, and I got pulled over for it, I wouldn't have tried punching the cop in the face because I didn't like it. Doing so is stupid. Sorry if you can't seem to figure out that attacking a cop because you don't like the law is a stupid thing to do.

Might I suggest checking on your state and local traffic laws and, for your own personal safety, not attacking a police officer if he pulls you over for breaking one.

So much this.

 

[Triumph]

It is illegal to flash the lights, that has been proven. There is no evidence that the cops lights were too bright to where they were breaking the law. Lots of new cars (which he said he had) have HID's which are fucking bright. That doesn't mean that they are illegal. So stop trying to compare the FACT that the kid broke the law, and trying to claim that the cop did.

All I'm sayin' is that the cop is an asshole for repeatedly pulling people over for flashing their brights at him. He could have just said to himself, "Ok my headlights must be screwed up, I'll tell the motor pool technicians when I get back. Anyway..." It's a sign of an authoritarian personality disorder.

 

[Ackmed]

How do you know that they were screwed up? They may just be brighter than people are used to. I recently got a new Suv with brighter than normal headlights. I am sure we have all seen them on the road. They annoying and bright, HID are the worst. Perhaps they were tilted at the wrong angle and were more up than needed to be, who knows. But there is zero proof that they were on bright or illegally bright.

Since he had been told they were bright, he could have ignored the kid yeah. Maybe he was bored, maybe he was looking to pull someone over, whatever the case it was a legal stop. I'd like to think if that was me I would have, but who can say when not in the same position? The kid just had to produce a license, insurance, and registration and would have been on his way. Either with or without a ticket. I think he gave warnings before? If that is the case, another warning. But he didn't, completely acted like a fool.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

It is illegal to flash the lights, that has been proven. There is no evidence that the cops lights were too bright to where they were breaking the law. Lots of new cars (which he said he had) have HID's which are fucking bright. That doesn't mean that they are illegal. So stop trying to compare the FACT that the kid broke the law, and trying to claim that the cop did.

You seem to be ignoring the white cop that killed his wife, and the cops never shot him.....how do you explain this?

By you usual defense of cops shooting people, why is the white cop allowed to shoot his wife two separate times and not be shot himself?

Isn't a man wielding a gun (and already demonstrated that it was real by shooting someone) a threat to police and others? by you own posts, that man is a threat and needed to be shot. So why wasn't he? Because he was white? Because he was a cop?

Why is he allowed to live yet all these others killed immediately?

 

[bradley]

Either Sgt. Frost's vehicle was modified against spec and DOT code or he indeed had his high beams engaged. Last night I saw two 2015 Ford Explorer SUVs (identical to Sgt. Frost's vehicle) and the high beams were of normal glare and not at all blinding. I'm not buying his or the county sheriff department's excuse.

Anyhow, I'm results based. A young man dying after trying to alert an officer to his overly bright headlights ashamedly does not compute in a free and civilized society.

 

[owensdj]

I think it's past time states passed a law that says law enforcement cannot use a gun against an unarmed suspect. If he can't handle a 140 pound teenager with his taser and stick he doesn't need to be a cop.

 

[edro]

A young man dying after trying to alert an officer to his overly bright headlights

No.
He died because he attacked a cop after being tazed.

 

[Ackmed]

You seem to be ignoring the white cop that killed his wife, and the cops never shot him.....how do you explain this?

By you usual defense of cops shooting people, why is the white cop allowed to shoot his wife two separate times and not be shot himself?

Isn't a man wielding a gun (and already demonstrated that it was real by shooting someone) a threat to police and others? by you own posts, that man is a threat and needed to be shot. So why wasn't he? Because he was white? Because he was a cop?

Why is he allowed to live yet all these others killed immediately?

I have no idea what you're talking about. This thread is not related to that at all. At least try to stay on topic.

Either Sgt. Frost's vehicle was modified against spec and DOT code or he indeed had his high beams engaged. Last night I saw two 2015 Ford Explorer SUVs (identical to Sgt. Frost's vehicle) and the high beams were of normal glare and not at all blinding. I'm not buying his or the county sheriff department's excuse.

Anyhow, I'm results based. A young man dying after trying to alert an officer to his overly bright headlights ashamedly does not compute in a free and civilized society.

So because you don't think they are that bright, they aren't? You think that everyone is lying, and he just drove around all night with them on bright or that his department upgraded them for some unknown reason to be brighter than normal? Some people really stretch. SUV's sit up higher, and to cars that sit lower can be more blinding. My car sits low as shit, I lowed it some and it is a clear difference driving it at night and my SUV because of the height difference.

It is obvious some people can't grasp, A) The stop was legal, B) The kid acted like a fool and paid the price. Since you're just going to go around in circles, I'm done participating.

 

[bradley]

No.
He died because he attacked a cop after being tazed.

I can state that factually based on the video evidence. What you have stated was purported and reviewed internally, not by an independent body. But I am also aware of cases such as Marcus Jeter and have far less faith in the system.

Police dash cam video exonerates New Jersey man, leads to indictment of cops
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ates-nj-man-implicates-cops-article-1.1701763

The Investigators Dashcam video clears NJ man; Cops now indicted 7online com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVaU8qm2LhQ

I have no idea what you're talking about. This thread is not related to that at all. At least try to stay on topic.



So because you don't think they are that bright, they aren't? You think that everyone is lying, and he just drove around all night with them on bright or that his department upgraded them for some unknown reason to be brighter than normal? Some people really stretch. SUV's sit up higher, and to cars that sit lower can be more blinding.

It is obvious some people can't grasp, A) The stop was legal, B) The kid acted like a fool and paid the price. Since you're just going to go around in circles, I'm done participating.

How is the very reason for Devon's stop irrelevant. Now you are just being supercilious. At least I read the entire prosecuting attorney's report and am basing my statements on fact and presenting the same, not reacting based on emotion.

http://www.eatoncounty.org/images/D...ney/Press_Releases/Guilford_Press_Release.pdf

Oh and btw....

Sgt. Frost's vehicle

Devon's girlfriend's vehicle

 

[Genx87]

How do you know that they were screwed up? They may just be brighter than people are used to. I recently got a new Suv with brighter than normal headlights. I am sure we have all seen them on the road. They annoying and bright, HID are the worst. Perhaps they were tilted at the wrong angle and were more up than needed to be, who knows. But there is zero proof that they were on bright or illegally bright.

Since he had been told they were bright, he could have ignored the kid yeah. Maybe he was bored, maybe he was looking to pull someone over, whatever the case it was a legal stop. I'd like to think if that was me I would have, but who can say when not in the same position? The kid just had to produce a license, insurance, and registration and would have been on his way. Either with or without a ticket. I think he gave warnings before? If that is the case, another warning. But he didn't, completely acted like a fool.

If people repeatedly flash him as a courtesy then they are screwed up. 4 people in a single night proves his lights were not functioning properly.

 

[mizzou]

I can state that factually based on the video evidence. What you have stated was purported and reviewed internally, not by an independent body. But I am also aware of cases such as Marcus Jeter and have far less faith in the system.

Police dash cam video exonerates New Jersey man, leads to indictment of cops
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ates-nj-man-implicates-cops-article-1.1701763

The Investigators Dashcam video clears NJ man; Cops now indicted 7online com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVaU8qm2LhQ



How is the very reason for Devon's stop irrelevant. Now you are just being supercilious. At least I read the entire prosecuting attorney's report and am basing my statements on fact and presenting the same, not reacting based on emotion.

http://www.eatoncounty.org/images/D...ney/Press_Releases/Guilford_Press_Release.pdf

Oh and btw....

Sgt. Frost's vehicle

Devon's girlfriend's vehicle

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322795

 

[CitizenKain]

It is illegal to flash the lights, that has been proven. There is no evidence that the cops lights were too bright to where they were breaking the law. Lots of new cars (which he said he had) have HID's which are fucking bright. That doesn't mean that they are illegal. So stop trying to compare the FACT that the kid broke the law, and trying to claim that the cop did.

Slurp slurp slurp slurp.

 

[latentprints]

MCL 257.700 Multiple-beam road lighting equipment; oncoming traffic; intensity.
Sec. 700.
(a) Whenever a motor vehicle is being operated on a highway or shoulder adjacent thereto during the times specified in section 684, the driver shall use a distribution of light, or composite beam, directed high enough and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a safe distance in advance of the vehicle, subject to the following requirements and limitations:
(b) Whenever the driver of a vehicle approaches an oncoming vehicle within 500 feet, such driver shall use a distribution of light or composite beam so aimed that the glaring rays are not projected into the eyes of the oncoming driver.
The lowermost distribution of light, specified in section 699 paragraph (c), shall be deemed to avoid glare at all times regardless of road contour and loading.


The law cited as justification of the stop also appears to call into question the legality of the officer's vehicle. It clearly states that the lowermost beam shall be deemed to avoid glare at all times regardless of road contour and loading. The officer was given multiple courtesy flashes to let him know that his vehicle was causing glare, to the point that it was negatively affecting at least four drivers.

 

[bradley]

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322795

You are only corroborating what has been stated. Sgt. Frost and the Eaton County Sheriff's office were painfully unaware about their own vehicle fleet. Seems like the bulb projector becomes partially engaged with improper alignment. The 2015 Ford Explorer SUVs I saw were indeed properly aligned.

I personally think increased bulb efficiency has allowed car manufacturers to get away with stock brighter lights based on wattage, not the permitted candelas/lumens. This is obviously enticing to some potential buyers. For instance I see many SUV DIY headlight replacements clearly at 3500+ lumens per side and very obnoxiously blinding.

 

[mizzou]

You are only corroborating what has been stated. Sgt. Frost and the Eaton County Sheriff's office were painfully unaware about their own vehicle fleet. Seems like the bulb projector becomes partially engaged with improper alignment. The 2015 Ford Explorer SUVs I saw were indeed properly aligned.

I personally think increased bulb efficiency has allowed car manufacturers to get away with stock brighter lights based on wattage, not the permitted candelas/lumens. This is obviously enticing to some potential buyers. For instance I see many SUV DIY headlight replacements clearly at 3500+ lumens per side and very obnoxiously blinding.

agreed

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This is a very sad incident, but honestly, what the hell was wrong with this kid? I will never understand people who are so gratuitously defiant to police. Setting aside the question of whether it was necessary to pull him over in the first place (and I agree with earlier posters that by the time this officer had been flashed by 4 drivers it should have been clear to him that his headlights were a problem), it was certainly legal to do so, and the officer started the interaction being professional and courteous. If the kid had acted reasonably there would never have been any escalation, much less a fatal one.