Flame Away Zealouts... but sh*t shouldnt be this hard!

[Smilin]

Geez zealots, get with it. Seeruk is pwning you.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Smilin
Geez zealots, get with it. Seeruk is pwning you.

Yeah you're right, I think I'll give up and bow before Seeruk's powerful arguments and vast debating skills.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Seeruk

Fedora doesn't have an official repo for people to use? Same with Suse?

I fear we have gone full circle now, or maybe the post is just way to long to read through now 🙂 But essentially yes in both cases, but so much critical (to a human home user) isnt available e.g. libdvd, mp3 codecs, etc. Yes I know the reasons why... but in FC's case they seem to have lost control of the repo's and so much dependency breaking goes on now between the repo's that you end up like a dog trying to chase it's tail.

SUSE, not so bad on the dependencies but, 15-20 minutes to open YAST, another few minutes to enter software selection, tick ya boxes, off ya go and booom it crashes out or downloads corrupted files meaning you start the headless chicken process again. It truly is an exercise in frustration and to add 3 or 4 packages maybe only a few kb each can take you over an hour... literally not joking!

Chatted to a user from the SUSE boards last night for a while on msn and he said its been like it for months, some new package manager is coming but it's equally bad (he is testing it). SMART support is still sketchy, and apt-get resources limited. I added a few sources for all the package managers and between them all none of them could give me everything needed for a basic Myth Install

If you download crap-program.exe and it causes some issues, do you blame Microsoft? Blaming Linux for crap repos is ridiculous.

It's hard to believe that with everything working properly it takes 15-20 minutes to open Yast... I'll have to try it out.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Seeruk

Fedora doesn't have an official repo for people to use? Same with Suse?

I fear we have gone full circle now, or maybe the post is just way to long to read through now 🙂 But essentially yes in both cases, but so much critical (to a human home user) isnt available e.g. libdvd, mp3 codecs, etc. Yes I know the reasons why... but in FC's case they seem to have lost control of the repo's and so much dependency breaking goes on now between the repo's that you end up like a dog trying to chase it's tail.

Did you just say that Suse doesn't have libdvdcss and mp3 codec support in their repository? Because that's wrong.

Originally posted by: Seeruk
SUSE, not so bad on the dependencies but, 15-20 minutes to open YAST,

Turn off Refresh on the repository if you don't want it to update every time and manually Refresh when you do.

Originally posted by: Seeruk
another few minutes to enter software selection, tick ya boxes, off ya go

It takes me 10 seconds to enter Software Management with all my yast repositories and with refresh on.

Originally posted by: Seeruk
and booom it crashes out or downloads corrupted files meaning you start the headless chicken process again. It truly is an exercise in frustration and to add 3 or 4 packages maybe only a few kb each can take you over an hour... literally not joking!

Yast has never crashed on me when installing stuff. And the downloads becoming corurpt or stopping depends entirely on your connection and the mirror. When I was updating with YOU, my downloads were going awfully slow, but then I switched to the kernel.org mirror and it was blazing. 🙂

Originally posted by: Seeruk
Chatted to a user from the SUSE boards last night for a while on msn and he said its been like it for months, some new package manager is coming but it's equally bad (he is testing it). SMART support is still sketchy, and apt-get resources limited. I added a few sources for all the package managers and between them all none of them could give me everything needed for a basic Myth Install

Have you tried Smart? Works great.. And as for the limited apt resources, I just installed MythTV. In fact, all the programs I've wanted were in my repositories. Just copy/paste the following line your sources.list and that's all you'll need:

rpm http://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/10.0-i386 wine rpmkeys base java update-drpm update-prpm update extra kde samba3 suser-agirardet suser-liviudm suser-rbos suser-crauch suser-jengelh suser-oc2pus suser-guru suser-gbv usr-local-bin suser-tcousin suser-scorot suser-scrute suser-jogley kolab packman packman-i686 kraxel suse-people kde3-stable security-prpm security

 

[IdaGno]

linux is for hippes & programmers

 

[Seeruk]

Hey sleepwalker

Nah it was FC I was talking about, SUSE was the next paragraph 😉

To be honest I have changed a few mirrors in the SUSE build, and it is a bit better, still 10 minutes though per refresh though.

I played with SMART too, it seems to work well one minute (like apt-get standard!!) but then on other packages it will supposedly download a 16mb file in about 3 seconds flat. Of course its totally corrupt and its reproducable. I suspect the mirror of course, but then this is the mirror I just changed to for the sake of it not taking 15 mins to open the fookin thing 🙂

I've got SUSE as the front runner still (i.e. the only one left on the box), XGL/compiz working just great, and most of the pre-req's up and running. It's just ball-achingly tedious!
Not much time on it last night to get any further on it as I lost the will to live on the repo front, and had too many productive things to do like drink beer in the sunshine with the lady, and fitting a Zalman cooler to the gaming box semi-drunk (surprisingly effective state to be in for hardware maintenance!), but have pinched a colleague's repo list today who is long time user (who incidentally also said the quality of the mirrors suck and have done for 6 months or so) so maybe they will help. He reports a minimum of 5 mins for him sometimes going on as long as 20 mins. I guess european mirrors suck or have a heavier load.

I do wonder what their (Novell) plans are for package management though, seems a bit mad to have all these in use right now and with the numbers likely to be trying out an already popular distro when its released with all XGL bells and whistles shining is likely to make matters worse on the mirror front.

If there is one thing Ubuntu has down, is it's package management & mirrors. One standard set of mirrors per country, one package manager.... simple and very effective

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Seeruk

A kitten dies every time you post.

 

[Seeruk]

And a penguin masturbates every time you do 😉

 

[magomago]

lordy 20 minutes?!?! God save us if Suse is that slow. Makes me feel all the more happier for Ubuntu 😉

As for having to install updates....I don't care if I have to do 200 Megabytes of updates~ atlesat I can do it all at once. In Windows Its like install one, reboot, install another, reboot, install another, reboot...soooo much time wasted in that.

As of course Linux has its kinks 😀 Both are great operating system with flaws, but as time moves on I'm finding that I would rather be stuck with the Linux flaws than the windows one 😉

 

[ForumMaster]

again and again falming linux. is it your hobby? yes we know it's not for everyone. yes we know that it is designed for more complicaed people then you. you don't have to tell us what we already know.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: magomago
lordy 20 minutes?!?! God save us if Suse is that slow. Makes me feel all the more happier for Ubuntu 😉

Nice exaggerations here.. In reality refreshing yast repositories takes me like 10 seconds, the most its ever taken me is a minute and that's before I changed the mirror. Also Suse installs apt by default (which is what I use) and I think Smart will be included in 10.1.