Flame Away Zealouts... but sh*t shouldnt be this hard!

[Seeruk]

Linux is NOT ready for the masses

 

[drag]

yawn.

 

[nweaver]

wow, Seeruk is flaming linux...again.

Please note, that just because this guy is incompetant, means nothing about linux and masses.

 

[bendixG15]

And Seeruk, neither are you ready for the masses...

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Seeruk
Linux is NOT ready for the masses

If you were only intending on installing Linux why would you leave your storage drive plugged in and risk it getting wiped as apparently happened?

FWIW, thanks for sharing your experiences even though it's in a rant format. I'm rather new to Linux and I'd probably fare even worse than you did if I was trying to do the same thing!

 

[Seeruk]

Wow guys -way to go to defend the indefensible

If I am incompetent then I guess all these people are too....

RR4 DATA DESTROYER (imagine if windows did this to a linux partition.... slashdot would be crippled under the load!)

http://www.lxnaydesign.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=533
http://www.lxnaydesign.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=520

Note the quote 'it's a known problem' Some freakin problem guys Only incompetence I'm seeing is the developer's!

Kororaa Grub Fiasco & attempted deletion of Windows Files

http://forums.kororaa.org/viewtopic.php?t=963
http://forums.kororaa.org/viewtopic.php?t=980
http://forums.kororaa.org/viewtopic.php?t=777
http://forums.kororaa.org/viewtopic.php?t=960
http://forums.kororaa.org/viewtopic.php?t=623

Fedora Core Software Mess

Just type 'fedora core install repo problem' into google

SUSE YUM Mess

http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?s=0...697ae85f1d26c1e94c1e3f&showtopic=23674

Though a useful (untried by me) fix may now have been posted

http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=24282

So please, guys.... instead of acting in the predicted manner of zealots..... just admit that sh*t shouldnt be this hard.

What I posted is paraphrasing hours and hours and hours of hacking, patching, postings, compiling, writing to mailing lists of the developers of the concerned packages....

WinXP MCE start to finish takes 2 hours...

I just wonder when you will bite the bullet and squeeze those little words out of your clenched teeth...

I am also wondering when the next <insert linux industry spokesman of the day here> will come out with the next Linux is more advanced than Windows comment

 

[Seeruk]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Seeruk
Linux is NOT ready for the masses

If you were only intending on installing Linux why would you leave your storage drive plugged in and risk it getting wiped as apparently happened?

Good point! Mainly because I have never needed to do it with windows, because I use Gparted pretty much every day and have come to trust it, because I checked the 5 or 6 times that every instruction queued for the RR4 partitioner was directed at sdb and nowhere else..... I should have been able to have faith

 

[nweaver]

my brother in law installed windows with his thumb drive in, and now can't move his primary partition from D: to C:, that shouldn't be hard either, but it is. Again, I would state that your incompetance is not a problem with linux. I got ubuntu/myth running in ~3 hours (not continuous, I was doing lots of other stuff) without wiping out anything.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Some punter on the internets has problems getting something relatively complicated working and Linux isn't ready for pops to read his latest donkey porn email? Whatever.

What happened to his backups? He didn't need to lose the data, only a bit of time restoring it. Hell, he should have removed the useless disks in the first place.

I spent about an hour this morning trying to get my Windows work machine up. Reboot after reboot because of bad software (not necessarily Microsoft branded software, just general Windows software) and stupid hardware. Very frustrating.

 

[Seeruk]

Originally posted by: nweaver
my brother in law installed windows with his thumb drive in, and now can't move his primary partition from D: to C:, that shouldn't be hard either, but it is.

It isnt, right click the drive in disk management and change the drive letter to anything you want

I got ubuntu/myth running in ~3 hours

Congrats (you must have some internet connection cos my 10mb line downloading at full speed would jussssssssst about get the updates done in that time).

Did you do it with a HVR1100? nope? well I guess the point is moot.

without wiping out anything.

You obviously don't read to well ... ubuntu didnt do the wiping, RR4 did.

 

[Seeruk]

And just for the very obvious special needs in here (seeing as how we are being insulting )

Is it my fault RR4 wipes partitions and mbr's?

Is it my fault Kororaa deletes mbr's without replacing them with anything?

Is it my fault Fedora Core software management is such a mess?

Is it my fault that YUM is in such a state?

Just to help you out on this question seeing as its so very difficult to answer without being insulting (last resort of a lost argument)

The answer in all cases begins N, has 2 letters and ends in O

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Seeruk
And just for the very obvious special needs in here (seeing as how we are being insulting )

Is it my fault RR4 wipes partitions and mbr's?

Is it my fault Kororaa deletes mbr's without replacing them with anything?

Is it my fault Fedora Core software management is such a mess?

Is it my fault that YUM is in such a state?

Just to help you out on this question seeing as its so very difficult to answer without being insulting (last resort of a lost argument)

The answer in all cases begins N, has 2 letters and ends in O

It's always possible that it's your fault. Have you provided a fix? If you knew these distros did these kinds of things, why did you use them?

What's wrong with yum?

 

[Seeruk]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
has problems getting something relatively complicated working

Not really, I'm surrounded by solaris boxes right now all running VMWares of all kinds of windows and nix builds

Doing the reverse (linux guest on a windows host) is easy as pie, but alas VMWare doesnt map PCI cards through thus it has to be done the other way round for nix to have access to the TV card for myth.

I build probably 2-3 host/guest combos every day... the majority of them windows is the host thank god

 

[Seeruk]

It's always possible that it's your fault. Have you provided a fix? If you knew these distros did these kinds of things, why did you use them?

What's wrong with yum?

Christ you type fast

Didnt realise that as a 'punter' I had to be a C coder too? So before the big linux adoption we have to teach the world to code? Interesting point for the marketing brochure there!

However, I did create the workaround to get the card id'd as a Nova-T and all elements apart from the DVB frontend working so I feel I contributed something

YUM- technical term I believe is fubared, 20 minutes of waiting to add one source... half fails with a bunch of errors, 15 minutes to exit the screen, rinse and repeat...

If I could have got it working long enough to install SMART it might have been different

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Seeruk

It's always possible that it's your fault. Have you provided a fix? If you knew these distros did these kinds of things, why did you use them?

What's wrong with yum?

Christ you type fast

Not today. I've got a new keyboard at work. It's confusing my fingers. I swear I'd be a lot more productive if I didn't have different keyboards EVERYWHERE.

Didnt realise that as a 'punter' I had to be a C coder too? So before the big linux adoption we have to teach the world to code? Interesting point for the marketing brochure there!

If the Linux developers were REALLY worried about taking over the world they wouldn't have the development process they do.

However, I did create the workaround to get the card id'd as a Nova-T and all elements apart from the DVB frontend working so I feel I contributed something

:beer:

Still, what's wrong with yum. I've never used it.

EDIT:

YUM- technical term I believe is fubared, 20 minutes of waiting to add one source... half fails with a bunch of errors, 15 minutes to exit the screen, rinse and repeat...

If I could have got it working long enough to install SMART it might have been different

Maybe it's you. If this was an insanely common occurrance it'd be plastered all over every forum imaginable.

 

[Seeruk]

Its plastered all over the 10.1 forum/newsgroups. (dont think SUSE users go for beta testing much though!)

They are moving to more apt/smart methods as I understand it in 10.1 which may explain some of it, I just wonder if they are stumbling into a FC situation.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Seeruk
Its plastered all over the 10.1 forum/newsgroups. (dont think SUSE users go for beta testing much though!)

They are moving to more apt/smart methods as I understand it in 10.1 which may explain some of it, I just wonder if they are stumbling into a FC situation.

I didn't know Suse used yum. I thought they used Yast2 for that too.

 

[Seeruk]

My bad s'pose ... YUM = Yast Update Manager
YAST2 = Software manager

 

[sigs3gv]

Like I have said before, Linux is only hard for people accustomed to Windows. To someone who nevered touched a computer, Linux is just as qualified as Windows for desktop usage.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Seeruk
My bad s'pose ... YUM = Yast Update Manager
YAST2 = Software manager

Oh, guess I should be paying more attention to Linux...

 

[Sunner]

Only used Yum on Fedora, but I can't say I've had any particular problems with it, other than it being a tad annoying when you're used to APT, but that can be said about emerge/windows update/whatever other update service/software manager as well.

Considering I did spend the time reading your last rant about Linux, I think I'll save my minutes this time around...

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Seeruk
My bad s'pose ... YUM = Yast Update Manager
YAST2 = Software manager

Oh, guess I should be paying more attention to Linux...

You both should. YUM = Yellow dog Updater, Modified

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: kamper

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Seeruk
My bad s'pose ... YUM = Yast Update Manager
YAST2 = Software manager

Oh, guess I should be paying more attention to Linux...

You both should. YUM = Yellow dog Updater, Modified

I'm busy trying to get FreeBSD into a usable state...

 

[nweaver]

I am on an OC3, but there still arn't that many updates for Ubuntu, and it's all the updates and a single reboot. Last time I updated my debian box at home (I get about 512K down most the time) was ~6 minutes, and it had been ~2 months. With your "issues" with both Yum and Apt/Synaptic, I would look somewhere else for the problem.

Also, don't whine about beta releases, they are still in beta for a reason. It's like whining about Vista, it's too early to whine, wait till they release an official version before whining about bugs.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Seeruk
Linux is NOT ready for the masses

The only folks who respond to your post are going to be people who disagree with you. Just be aware that there are those that agree who simply aren't replying. Though I would let you know in case the flames have you feeling down.