to deny somebody the right to burn a flag is to deny the exact ideals that you hold such strong feelings towards.
I do not support an amendment, it is not necessary.
By using Law to sur press foolish ideas , harmful ideas are driven underground, where they are difficult to root out using Wisdom..
By using Law to sur press foolish ideas , harmful ideas are driven underground, where they are difficult to root out using Wisdom..
One thing I'll admit is that to go & burn someones flag is mightely rude & il-mannered.
But one can understand it. Just think if you were Palestinian & you & your faminly were driven out of your home & village & into a refugee camp by Israelis with American backing & financing, & weapons too. If that happened to me I'd burn an American flag too. Not that it solves the problem at hand.
But one can understand it. Just think if you were Palestinian & you & your faminly were driven out of your home & village & into a refugee camp by Israelis with American backing & financing, & weapons too. If that happened to me I'd burn an American flag too. Not that it solves the problem at hand.
The land of Israel was given to them by God...but that is an issue in itself.
The Palestinian is currently in in the land...illegally.
The Palestinian is currently in in the land...illegally.
Israel is the Sovereign, the Palestinians are in that land by grace alone.
I believe the tragic loss of Palestinian life is very, very sad.
Who is to blame?
Yasser Arafat and those that insist on taking that which God has given to Israel.
Peace?
Absolutely...but only after the rightful owners have contained the outlaws...
edit...spelling.
I believe the tragic loss of Palestinian life is very, very sad.
Who is to blame?
Yasser Arafat and those that insist on taking that which God has given to Israel.
Peace?
Absolutely...but only after the rightful owners have contained the outlaws...
edit...spelling.
<< "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Voltaire said it first. Think he was a French writer....or a greek philospher...I forget which. >>
JellyBaby - he was a French philosopher
<< Hey Palco, Your God Sucks then. Talk about your False Entities.If your God was real instead of a figmnet of some dumbass sheep herders imagination then he'd be at fault for those deaths >>
god is at fault......that is god with a lower class "g".
<< Ahh!! You actually understand >>
The god of this Worldly system is responsible for this tragedy, and ultimately for all corrupt code.
All creation was perfectly coded by the Most High God.
When the Time is Right, the god of this World will be placed in permanent containment. .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... as Written.
Happyface, are you a NecroMancer or something? Pullin up posts from the great beyond and reanimating them.....
I don't understand this belief that there should be some law against defacing the flag. The argument seems to be that the flag represents something American, patriotic, and to burn it is an insult to all that. Well let me ask you what America means? Freedom? So it seems like hypocrisy to me to say that the flag represents freedom, but don't burn it...the act of burning the flag is an act of freedom of speech.
One thing you may not realize is that the reason the Founding Fathers made such provisions in the Constitution to allow free expression was because America in and of itself was a rebellion against a government. So to try to squelch rebellion or protest against the government would go against the grain of the ideas that America was founded upon.
One thing you may not realize is that the reason the Founding Fathers made such provisions in the Constitution to allow free expression was because America in and of itself was a rebellion against a government. So to try to squelch rebellion or protest against the government would go against the grain of the ideas that America was founded upon.
Personally, I don't like flag burning but if someone wants to........ go for it. It's thier time & money (not to mention the @ss kicking you'll get from the people around you).
Cheers,
Aquaman
Cheers,
Aquaman
HappyFace
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Dameon: I only stated in brief summery, my beliefs concerning the issue of flag burning. I hadn't even read these "posts from the great beyond..". I simply read the topic, clicked it and posted my message after reading 10-15 replies.
Red Dawn:
<< Those men and women fought and died so we could have freedom of speech and thought, even if what you are saying or doing is thought to be disrespectful. There is no need to punish those who burn the flag because they aren't disgracing the country and those who fought for it, they are only disgracing themselves. >>
I agree with your first point. The men and women of this country fought and died so we could have freedom from England's religious oppression. Unlike citizens of certain other countries, we're blessed by having freedom to speak and think, whatever we please... This doesn't mean however that evil deeds a person takes part in will not, or should not be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Yes, at a point in time, a murderer had the choice to either kill or not kill. He chose to kill. A child molester could have stopped himself from hurting little children. He didn't.
Do you see anywhere in written law allowing Americans the right to do whatever they wish? Legislation was founded for the sole purpose of protecting the citizens of America. A person performing extreme Anti-American actions should be considered a traitor, and a threat to national security. Under Federal law, these people should be punished severely! No US citizen, or foreign immigrant living on US soil should be allowed to destroy one of this nations most honored symbols of freedom and heroism. How can we stand by and watch passively as communists perform their hateful and defiling rituals on our land? If we do, we've become just like them. On that very sad day, we'll deserve to lose our freedoms to the ultimate oppression of communism.
Red Dawn:
<< Those men and women fought and died so we could have freedom of speech and thought, even if what you are saying or doing is thought to be disrespectful. There is no need to punish those who burn the flag because they aren't disgracing the country and those who fought for it, they are only disgracing themselves. >>
I agree with your first point. The men and women of this country fought and died so we could have freedom from England's religious oppression. Unlike citizens of certain other countries, we're blessed by having freedom to speak and think, whatever we please... This doesn't mean however that evil deeds a person takes part in will not, or should not be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Yes, at a point in time, a murderer had the choice to either kill or not kill. He chose to kill. A child molester could have stopped himself from hurting little children. He didn't.
Do you see anywhere in written law allowing Americans the right to do whatever they wish? Legislation was founded for the sole purpose of protecting the citizens of America. A person performing extreme Anti-American actions should be considered a traitor, and a threat to national security. Under Federal law, these people should be punished severely! No US citizen, or foreign immigrant living on US soil should be allowed to destroy one of this nations most honored symbols of freedom and heroism. How can we stand by and watch passively as communists perform their hateful and defiling rituals on our land? If we do, we've become just like them. On that very sad day, we'll deserve to lose our freedoms to the ultimate oppression of communism.
I say if you dont like this country you can leave, nothing is stopping you.. There are plenty of other counties..:|
Wow, this is interesting seeing this thread alive again.
<< the act of burning the flag is an act of freedom of speech. >>
Then the act of my baseball bat hitting their head should be freedom of speech, too. Right? (I'm not entirely kidding here either.)
<< the act of burning the flag is an act of freedom of speech. >>
Then the act of my baseball bat hitting their head should be freedom of speech, too. Right?
(I'm not entirely kidding here either.)[sarcasm]Rangers' berets are just a hat so flags are actually just a piece of cloth. Who cares![/sarcasm]
Shuxclams
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Happy and Andrew,
Vocally stnding in the middle of the town squre, openly speaking about the wrongs of the nation are no different than burning the flag, would you then use the "baseball bat hitting their head" Theory? This is how I see it, we Allow the KKK to march around denouncing anything "other than", I see that as one of the most unamerican beliefs that exsist in this country, yet I support their right to free speech no matter what, it doesnt matter that I don't agree with what they are saying, it matters that the citizens of this country never have their rights infringed upon. PERIOD. Burning the flag is nothing more than a statement of disinfranchisement, who cares, most of the people here don't feel that way, but some do, get over it.
SHUX
Vocally stnding in the middle of the town squre, openly speaking about the wrongs of the nation are no different than burning the flag, would you then use the "baseball bat hitting their head" Theory? This is how I see it, we Allow the KKK to march around denouncing anything "other than", I see that as one of the most unamerican beliefs that exsist in this country, yet I support their right to free speech no matter what, it doesnt matter that I don't agree with what they are saying, it matters that the citizens of this country never have their rights infringed upon. PERIOD. Burning the flag is nothing more than a statement of disinfranchisement, who cares, most of the people here don't feel that way, but some do, get over it.
SHUX
<Then the act of my baseball bat hitting their head should be freedom of speech, too. Right?>>
No. Because when you hit me in the head with a bat, my rights are violated. When I burn a flag, you may be offended, you might not like it, but you're rights are not being violated. Your right to free expression only applies SO LONG as you don't violate anyone else's rights.
<<I say if you don?t like this country you can leave, nothing is stopping you.. There are plenty of other counties.>>
This is the weakest argument I've heard yet. Fundamentally, the United States is trying to prevent people like you from thinking that whatever the law says is RIGHT. If that were always the case, why do we have congress to change laws? Why do we have the right to assemble?
No. Because when you hit me in the head with a bat, my rights are violated. When I burn a flag, you may be offended, you might not like it, but you're rights are not being violated. Your right to free expression only applies SO LONG as you don't violate anyone else's rights.
<<I say if you don?t like this country you can leave, nothing is stopping you.. There are plenty of other counties.>>
This is the weakest argument I've heard yet. Fundamentally, the United States is trying to prevent people like you from thinking that whatever the law says is RIGHT. If that were always the case, why do we have congress to change laws? Why do we have the right to assemble?
WTF??
If someone came around burning the flag for the US, I would kick their ass. Hands down. No questions asked. Careful not to let the flag drop to the ground, of course.
but, seriously, I would. It means that much to me. Take an example:
If a supreme court judge were to walk into the court room burning the flag, would you say,
"oh, cool! He's excercising his rights as an American citizen!"
or would you say,
"oh sh!t, I'm screwed."
Anyway, I'd actually love to see someone burn the flag, just so I could make an example out of them. --okay, so I'm being an asshole. But I think it should be wrong, yes.
If someone came around burning the flag for the US, I would kick their ass. Hands down. No questions asked. Careful not to let the flag drop to the ground, of course.
but, seriously, I would. It means that much to me. Take an example:
If a supreme court judge were to walk into the court room burning the flag, would you say,
"oh, cool! He's excercising his rights as an American citizen!"
or would you say,
"oh sh!t, I'm screwed."
Anyway, I'd actually love to see someone burn the flag, just so I could make an example out of them. --okay, so I'm being an asshole. But I think it should be wrong, yes.
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