BoomerD
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While I'm in favor of boxing up ALL the illegals and sending them home. (box car or pine box...let them choose) I suspect the hospital is gonna get their asses kicked in court over this.
I also agree with gingermeggs that employers who hire these illegals should be fined heavily...and I wouldn't object if the CEO's had to go to jail for it as well. Make those at the top criminally responsible and it'll stop.
I also agree with gingermeggs that employers who hire these illegals should be fined heavily...and I wouldn't object if the CEO's had to go to jail for it as well. Make those at the top criminally responsible and it'll stop.
The incident happened 6 years ago (as stated in the article) but this info (the lawsuit) is new. I don't remember the original story here - I probably missed it.
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For a private jet, that is a reasonable cost for a 8hr R/T flight between NYC and Central America.
If they use public transportation, you have to take the either first or business class airfare cost with no advance reservations, 2 escorts and expenses
These complex issues of who is to live and who is not will have to be addressed somehow or we surely will go bankrupt. We will simply have to grow up and realize that those of us who naturally want every last dime spent to save our own personal lives will simply have to face the fact that health care will have to be rationed.
Rationed? Oh my God no, I have the money to pay for health care. I worked my ass off and I an a legal citizen. There has to be another way and there is. I want private health insurance without haven't to worry about waiting in line and I want the best health care money can buy, so I propose that insurance rates rise to whatever levels is necessary to supply me with all the health care I need to extend my life indefinitely. When me and a few million other rich hard working and truly deserving people are paying millions a year for health care, then the system will be working. The rest of you assholes can buy aspirin and bandages.
Rationed? Oh my God no, I have the money to pay for health care. I worked my ass off and I an a legal citizen. There has to be another way and there is. I want private health insurance without haven't to worry about waiting in line and I want the best health care money can buy, so I propose that insurance rates rise to whatever levels is necessary to supply me with all the health care I need to extend my life indefinitely. When me and a few million other rich hard working and truly deserving people are paying millions a year for health care, then the system will be working. The rest of you assholes can buy aspirin and bandages.
halik
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The guy won a 1.5 million dollar jackpot, he should have a coke and a smile and STFU.
Give the guardian an invoice if he keeps on bitching, or better yet make it abundantly obvious that when he gets served for the suit he's filing, it will be by an INS officer.
My parents and I didn't spend thousands of dollars for INS forms, interviews, fingerprints, pictures and attorneys to get a U.S. citizenship legally, so this guy can now waste my tax money, because he's not happy with a $1.5M gift. In generally they should deport all illegals w/o prior ties (kids/wife) once they are in a stable condition.
Give the guardian an invoice if he keeps on bitching, or better yet make it abundantly obvious that when he gets served for the suit he's filing, it will be by an INS officer.
My parents and I didn't spend thousands of dollars for INS forms, interviews, fingerprints, pictures and attorneys to get a U.S. citizenship legally, so this guy can now waste my tax money, because he's not happy with a $1.5M gift. In generally they should deport all illegals w/o prior ties (kids/wife) once they are in a stable condition.
As the husband of a 'for-n-er' spouse I'm 100% in agreement. We've paid what amounts to several thousands of $$$ in the same to be here together legally and have a $500-ish payment due in 2 months to the government to remain in legal status.
blackangst1
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Probably because the current congress is redefining "illegal". They want illegals to get the same constitutional rights as am American. Same benefits as a citizen. Essentially take away the incentive to do it legally.
blackangst1
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blackangst1
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BoomerD
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
We have one. Its called legal immigration and there are several visas available to do so
I don't see anything wrong with a "guest worker" program for agricultural workers.
Retain half of their pay until they return to their native country. Something similar to this was tried many years ago, but either they never went home, or the Mexican banks/government claimed they never got the money.
If set up and administered correctly, this could help the farmers who cry for their cheap labor while slowing illegal immigration.
IMO, it should be accompanied by immediate expulsion of ALL illegal immigrants...regardless of the country of origin, regardless of whether they've married US citizens, regardless of any "anchor babies" they've had.
Round them up...send them back. Let them get in line like everyone else.
Hacp
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So you want more American jobs outsourced to a 3rd world country? Keep American jobs in America for Americans and legal immigrants.Originally posted by: BoomerD
I don't see anything wrong with a "guest worker" program for agricultural workers.Originally posted by: blackangst1
We have one. Its called legal immigration and there are several visas available to do so
Retain half of their pay until they return to their native country. Something similar to this was tried many years ago, but either they never went home, or the Mexican banks/government claimed they never got the money.
If set up and administered correctly, this could help the farmers who cry for their cheap labor while slowing illegal immigration.
IMO, it should be accompanied by immediate expulsion of ALL illegal immigrants...regardless of the country of origin, regardless of whether they've married US citizens, regardless of any "anchor babies" they've had.
Round them up...send them back. Let them get in line like everyone else.
blackangst1
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: blackangst1
We have one. Its called legal immigration and there are several visas available to do so
I don't see anything wrong with a "guest worker" program for agricultural workers.
Retain half of their pay until they return to their native country. Something similar to this was tried many years ago, but either they never went home, or the Mexican banks/government claimed they never got the money.
If set up and administered correctly, this could help the farmers who cry for their cheap labor while slowing illegal immigration.
IMO, it should be accompanied by immediate expulsion of ALL illegal immigrants...regardless of the country of origin, regardless of whether they've married US citizens, regardless of any "anchor babies" they've had.
Round them up...send them back. Let them get in line like everyone else.
We. Have. One.
H-2A Visas created in 1986.......
BoomerD
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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: blackangst1
We have one. Its called legal immigration and there are several visas available to do so
I don't see anything wrong with a "guest worker" program for agricultural workers.
Retain half of their pay until they return to their native country. Something similar to this was tried many years ago, but either they never went home, or the Mexican banks/government claimed they never got the money.
If set up and administered correctly, this could help the farmers who cry for their cheap labor while slowing illegal immigration.
IMO, it should be accompanied by immediate expulsion of ALL illegal immigrants...regardless of the country of origin, regardless of whether they've married US citizens, regardless of any "anchor babies" they've had.
Round them up...send them back. Let them get in line like everyone else.
So you want more American jobs outsourced to a 3rd world country? Keep American jobs in America for Americans and legal immigrants.
I'm 100% in favor of that. HOWEVER, who are you going to get to work the fields?
MOST people don't want those jobs...not at the wages they currently pay, nor at any pay.
The idea of making welfare recipients work to earn their monthly checks is great, but the programs have had very limited success where they've been tried.
Doesn't have enough limitations attached to it, nor any incentive for them to return to their native countries.
This program would make it legal for them to come here solely for ag jobs...not construction jobs, not MickyD jobs, not janitorial jobs, nor anything else. ONLY agriculture-related jobs.
Make overstaying the work permit a crime with the stipulation that if they overstay, they're banned from future participation.
blackangst1
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: blackangst1
We have one. Its called legal immigration and there are several visas available to do so
I don't see anything wrong with a "guest worker" program for agricultural workers.
Retain half of their pay until they return to their native country. Something similar to this was tried many years ago, but either they never went home, or the Mexican banks/government claimed they never got the money.
If set up and administered correctly, this could help the farmers who cry for their cheap labor while slowing illegal immigration.
IMO, it should be accompanied by immediate expulsion of ALL illegal immigrants...regardless of the country of origin, regardless of whether they've married US citizens, regardless of any "anchor babies" they've had.
Round them up...send them back. Let them get in line like everyone else.
So you want more American jobs outsourced to a 3rd world country? Keep American jobs in America for Americans and legal immigrants.
I'm 100% in favor of that. HOWEVER, who are you going to get to work the fields?
MOST people don't want those jobs...not at the wages they currently pay, nor at any pay.
The idea of making welfare recipients work to earn their monthly checks is great, but the programs have had very limited success where they've been tried.
Doesn't have enough limitations attached to it, nor any incentive for them to return to their native countries.
This program would make it legal for them to come here solely for ag jobs...not construction jobs, not MickyD jobs, not janitorial jobs, nor anything else. ONLY agriculture-related jobs.
Make overstaying the work permit a crime with the stipulation that if they overstay, they're banned from future participation.
I agree there arent enough restrictions; however, we dont need new laws, we need to first enforce the laws we have. And there are temp visas for non agriculture workers as well. Again, we dont need new laws.
WhipperSnapper
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If we would simply end illegal immigration and deport all of the illegals then this issue would not come up very often. The problem in this case is a symptom of our illegal immigration invasion disease and not the problem itself.
Our federal government needs to change its policies and its priorities from worrying about the welfare of poor people in other countries to worrying about the tens of millions of poor American citizens right here at home.
Our federal government needs to change its policies and its priorities from worrying about the welfare of poor people in other countries to worrying about the tens of millions of poor American citizens right here at home.
If the hospital spent $1.5 million caring for him because he was an illegal and none of the government programs would cover him... Sounds like he is an illegal. Otherwise, someone in those 3 years should have figured it out and gotten the guy on medicaid or whatever...
I would imagine the hospital would be all over helping the guy get that, so they could get paid...
And... the guardian, if in the US illegally, should have been offered a ride on the chartered plane! By offered, I mean told either he goes too or he'll be reported. Oh and by the way, the federal government should start enforcing current laws and deporting every illegal immigrant they come across!
It's actually not about food prices x7.
It's about importing more and more food from abroad as American food producers go out of business (I saw an interview with an American strawberry producer who was closing up shop last year because they couldn't find workers).
but what do we care as long as our food is cheap?
Given the amount of money my wife and I have spent for her legal immigration I'll be *PISSED* if that happens. In fact, we have to spend another $480 or something in Sept for her 10 year green card only to be able to apply for naturalization shortly after (another big $$$ fee I'm sure).
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