Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: spittledip
It seems very strange to me that one could think that if the "package" is inside the mother at 23 weeks it is a fetus and this makes it ok to kill, but if the "package" is birthed at 23 weeks, to kill it is murder.

Like it or not, if abortion is legal, then somewhere there needs to be a line drawn. On one side of the line, it's a baby, on the other side of the line, it's medical waste.

That doesn't seem inconsistent to you?

How is it we define humanity by the subject's physical location?

I agree that it seems inconsistent. But, no matter how we define it, the two sides are separated by something that's rather arbitrary. Born/unborn seems to be one of the least illogical.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: mattpegherThe problem with abortion legislation is that you have 2 sides, one that wants all abortions legal up to birth and one that wants no abortions legal even the morning after pill.

I think it's fair to say that the "pro life" side is that extreme, but I don't know ANY pro-choicers who think the right to abort should extend to a full-term fetus, or even post-viability. And most pro-choicers have a problem with pre-viability, late second-term abortions.

The dishonesty of the religious right is that they try to present "partial birth" abortions as typical of what the pro-choice crowd wants, and it looks like you believe their lies.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: shira
Most of the people on this thread have problems with reading comprehension.

There was no abortion at all.

The baby was delivered, naturally, BEFORE the physician arrived.

The physician says he wasn't told the baby was delivered. That may become a point of contention, but I see no information indicating otherwise.

The baby was placed in a box by one of the staffers at the clinic, without the physician's knowledge. Again, this could become a potential point of contention, but I see no information in the story stating otherwise.

Thus, I'm perplexed as to why people on this thread are railing against the physician. Some even demand his execution.

Does anyone READ, or is it all emotion driven by ignorance?

It seems very strange to me that one could think that if the "package" is inside the mother at 23 weeks it is a fetus and this makes it ok to kill, but if the "package" is birthed at 23 weeks, to kill it is murder.

Your statement is a non-sequitur. You bolded the statement I made, and somehow conclude from that that the I think killing 23-week-old fetuses is no problem.

Stop lying.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: spittledip
It seems very strange to me that one could think that if the "package" is inside the mother at 23 weeks it is a fetus and this makes it ok to kill, but if the "package" is birthed at 23 weeks, to kill it is murder.

Like it or not, if abortion is legal, then somewhere there needs to be a line drawn. On one side of the line, it's a baby, on the other side of the line, it's medical waste.

Even better is the notion that as the fetus approaches viability, rights shift from the mother to the fetus. I would never want a blanket law saying NO abortion at 23 weeks is legal. But by the same token I'd definitely want to make the hurdle for a legal abortion higher and higher as the fetus approaches viability.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: between
it's a shame a physician's career is destroyed, for no other reason that people's irrational need to "protect" and "nurture" a lump of biomass that was never going to survive anyway.

My reading of this case is that the physician was punished because he failed to follow correct procedures (for example, by authorizing a non-qualified person to dilate the girl's cervix). He'd be just as culpable if he'd ordered a hospital washroom attendant to make the initial incision for an appendectomy, while the physician was driving to the hospital.

Again, despite the headline, this case has very little to do with an abortion, per se.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: shira
Most of the people on this thread have problems with reading comprehension.

There was no abortion at all.

The baby was delivered, naturally, BEFORE the physician arrived.

The physician says he wasn't told the baby was delivered. That may become a point of contention, but I see no information indicating otherwise.

The baby was placed in a box by one of the staffers at the clinic, without the physician's knowledge. Again, this could become a potential point of contention, but I see no information in the story stating otherwise.

Thus, I'm perplexed as to why people on this thread are railing against the physician. Some even demand his execution.

Does anyone READ, or is it all emotion driven by ignorance?

It seems very strange to me that one could think that if the "package" is inside the mother at 23 weeks it is a fetus and this makes it ok to kill, but if the "package" is birthed at 23 weeks, to kill it is murder.

Your statement is a non-sequitur. You bolded the statement I made, and somehow conclude from that that the I think killing 23-week-old fetuses is no problem.

Stop lying.

Uh.. you bolded your own statement- I just quoted it as it was. So you are saying that you have a problem with aborting 23 week old fetuses?

BTW, my statement is in no way a non-sequitur.