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FL law "No match, no vote" law finally enforced

This is a great thing IMO especially considering the voter fraud in FL in the last 15 years. Basically the votor info is matched against the states records for different things, if the info doesnt match, vote doesnt count.

Short story here

Secretary of State Kurt Browning notified county elections' supervisors throughout the state Monday that he plans to enforce the state's controversial "no-match, no vote" law.

The voting-rights groups that failed in their lawsuit to block the law are predicting doom, saying in a press statement that the law "previously blocked more than 16,000 eligible Florida citizens from registering to vote, through no fault of their own, and could disenfranchise tens of thousands more voters in November."

Why enforce the law now? Browning's spokeswoman, Jennifer Krell Davis, said a federal court's ruling in the state's favor was only finalized July 28. And that made it too difficult for the state to put the new rules into effect for the Aug. 26 primary, for which new voters could be signed up until July 26.

 
Link works for me...just google "FL no match no vote" if you want more.

Its more than ID. If I remember when I read about this before it ended up in court there are 4 points that must be proven to make it a valid vote, not just ID which is too easy to fake.
 
Ah yes, we are going to count on government's proper record keeping to allow us to vote, and hell, if they don't keep your records up to date, not like you can vote them out. Great idea.
 
You mean there's no chance that FL will fraudulently put someone in office who lost the popular vote by 500K? Say it ain't so! 😉
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Ah yes, we are going to count on government's proper record keeping to allow us to vote, and hell, if they don't keep your records up to date, not like you can vote them out. Great idea.

+1

It took me twenty minutes to convince a DMV examiner that their records were incorrect even with my SS card, current license and previous expired license.

'Proper Gov't Record Keeping' is an oxymoron.
 
I can see the lawsuits starting already. Lets just eliminate counting of all Florida votes and we will all be better off.
 
It's the latest Republican scheme for minimizing democrtic votes, I suspect.

I was just reading an old 2004 article, about how Jeb Bush had finally 'restored' the civil rights, including the right to vote, of 125,000 felons.

Of course, this meant they had that right; he'd been illegally denying it to them previously, especially for the 2000 election, which his brother officially won by 637 votes.

Felons vote democratic around 90%. Bush ahd been ordered repeaedly by the courth to stop blocking the felons who had the right to vote from voting. He kept doing it.

It's pretty easy to do the math, and there's no doubt that his actions cost the democrats more than 537 votes, and this is one more thing that blocked the voters' will that election.

While it may seem a little embarrassing to have the felons as a base, that's not the issue, the issue is the illagal disenfranchsing of their vote.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Link works for me...just google "FL no match no vote" if you want more.

Its more than ID. If I remember when I read about this before it ended up in court there are 4 points that must be proven to make it a valid vote, not just ID which is too easy to fake.

no i meant for all the whiners screaming "disenfranchisement" i'm saying 404 disenfranchisement not found.

So in FL all you had to do was show up to a voting station, state your name and you could vote? No wonder Bush "barely" won. It would have been a landslide if there were actual controls in place.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Link works for me...just google "FL no match no vote" if you want more.

Its more than ID. If I remember when I read about this before it ended up in court there are 4 points that must be proven to make it a valid vote, not just ID which is too easy to fake.

no i meant for all the whiners screaming "disenfranchisement" i'm saying 404 disenfranchisement not found.

So in FL all you had to do was show up to a voting station, state your name and you could vote? No wonder Bush "barely" won. It would have been a landslide if there were actual controls in place.

No, FL has required ID for as long as I have been voting here. I have lived in this state my entire life.
 
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Link works for me...just google "FL no match no vote" if you want more.

Its more than ID. If I remember when I read about this before it ended up in court there are 4 points that must be proven to make it a valid vote, not just ID which is too easy to fake.

no i meant for all the whiners screaming "disenfranchisement" i'm saying 404 disenfranchisement not found.

So in FL all you had to do was show up to a voting station, state your name and you could vote? No wonder Bush "barely" won. It would have been a landslide if there were actual controls in place.

No, FL has required ID for as long as I have been voting here. I have lived in this state my entire life.

What am I missing? What's the whole story about then?
 
Originally posted by: JS80
[What am I missing? What's the whole story about then?

I applaudy our actually asking for the information, not just making something up.

The issue is in the way th ematching is being implemented that makes it harded on the voters, with many not even realizing their vote is not being counted.

This is somewhat remsniscient of how the most white county's vote machines in 2000 returned error ballots to voters to fix, and in black counteis, silenty ate them uncounted.

This resulted in very low rates of votes not bing counted for voter error in white counties, and very high rates in black counties - with the bonus os 'those blacks can't vote right' assumptions made by the casual observers who only saw the statistics, and not the facts behind them - including misleading or confusing ballot instructions in some cases.

From the link in th OP:

Secretary of State Browning?s last-minute decision to implement the law in the final month before the registration deadline will pose a significant hurdle to eligible Florida citizens hoping to register and vote in November. It will disenfranchise voters who do not send or bring a photocopy of their driver?s license to county election officials? offices after voting, even if these voters showed poll workers their driver?s licenses at the polls on Election Day.



?This 11th-hour decision is an ill-advised move to apply a policy the state has never enforced in its current form, at a time when registration activity is at its highest,? said Alvaro Fernandez of the Southwest Voter Registration and Education Project, a plaintiff in the case. ?The Secretary?s decision will put thousands of real Florida citizens at risk due to bureaucratic typos that under the ?no-match, no-vote? law will prevent them from voting this November,? continued Fernandez.



?Voters who do everything right, who submit forms that are complete, timely, and accurate, will suddenly find themselves unregistered when they go to vote, just because someone somewhere punched the wrong letter on a keyboard,? said Myrna P?rez, counsel at the Brennan Center for Justice.



?The no match, no vote policy is unjust and unnecessary, and Florida voters will pay the price this fall,? stated Jean-Robert Lafortune, president of the Haitian-American Grassroots Coalition, another plaintiff in the lawsuit.



The law at issue bars any Florida citizen from becoming registered to vote and voting with a regular ballot if the state cannot validate the applicant?s driver?s license number or the last four digits of the applicant?s Social Security number, no matter how much identification the voter brings to the polls on Election Day. The process starts with an attempt to ?match? voter information to other government databases, an error-prone exercise that often fails. For example, the Social Security Administration reports a 46% failure rate when trying to match voter registration applications. State officials admitted in a recent challenge to the law, Florida NAACP v. Browning, that typographical errors by election workers are responsible for most of the failures.



If the state cannot match the voter registration records, many eligible voters who submit registration applications before the October 6th deadline to register may not be notified of the matching failure until Election Day, when they appear at the polls to vote. There, they will be forced to cast a provisional ballot, and that provisional ballot will only be counted if the voter submits a photocopy of his or her driver?s license or Social Security card within 48 hours after the election, even if they already showed their driver?s license at the polls.



?The most senseless part is that the state creates these errors, and then makes it unnecessarily hard to fix the problem,? said Myrna P?rez of the Brennan Center. ?If the state insists on enforcing this misguided matching provision, it should at least make it possible for voters to show their driver?s license at the poll and validate their registration then and there. To have registered, brought your ID to the polls, and still be told you can?t vote ? all because of a bureaucratic error ? is ridiculous.?



?It is unfortunate that the Secretary of State decided to enforce the statute less than a month before registration deadline. It is really the 11th hour and is certain to derail the applications of eligible voters. At the very least, counties can and should help to avoid needless disenfranchisement of eligible voters by permitting voters to correct the problem at the polls. In addition, we strongly urge groups that conduct voter registration drives to ask applicants to submit their driver?s license number (not Social Security number) on their application, which will reduce the likelihood that their application will be rejected for lack of a ?match,?? urged Elizabeth Westfall of Advancement Project, one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs.



?In 2006 alone, more than 12,800 citizens submitting complete and timely forms were kept off of the rolls, and the volume of registration in 2006 is nothing like what we anticipate in this presidential year,? said Robert Atkins, a partner at Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, also representing plaintiffs. 2006 was a year of unusually low voter registration rates in Florida because of a separate law that shut down voter registration drives that year. ?With the huge number of registration forms pouring in at the end of the registration period, county officials may not be able to fix problems that will cause thousands of eligible voters to be disenfranchised,? Atkins added.
 
DMV still has not updated my ZIP code. Even second rate websites can access USPS database and correct the addresses now, but apparently not state government. Of course we need to let our right to vote to depend on their record keeping. That is a great idea.
 
It sounds like I need to call the state and reconfirm that I am indeed registered to vote. The problem here has a lot more to do with shitty logistics and little to do with actual fraud.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
Guess that puts an end to the dead, the illegals, and the people voting from out of state.

You will have more eligible voters turned away than you will have those types of problems. We have already seen that before in this state. I don't know why they are trying again, but I hope it works regardless because it looks like we have no choice. The juice was never worth the squeeze before and I doubt it will be worth it now, but we'll see.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
Guess that puts an end to the dead, the illegals, and the people voting from out of state.

What it does help put an end to is people from out-of-state with vacation homes there getting to register twice (unless they get a FL drivers license, and I hope the state's are still cross-checking for that problem)

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: winnar111
Guess that puts an end to the dead, the illegals, and the people voting from out of state.

What it does help put an end to is people from out-of-state with vacation homes there getting to register twice (unless they get a FL drivers license, and I hope the state's are still cross-checking for that problem)

Fern

What are you talking about? I thought we solved that problem with the massive amounts of foreclosures in Florida. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Woofmeister
Originally posted by: Craig234
Felons vote democratic around 90%.

Congratulations on that. You must be very proud.

First, the relevant issue here is the despicable, unamerican attempts - often successful - to deprive any American of the right to vote who has that right. Having said that:

Well, you take the cheap point I'd already pointed out, but ok.

It's not our most shining part of the base (but hey, Enron and Abramoff and Libby and DeKay are not included).

But there is some reason to be proud: because the Americans who need help - the felons are disproportionately poor miniorities - understand who helps them get our of thier situation, who offers some safety net for their families, who provides more educational opportunities, who has more concern about rehabilitation and getting these people on track to be productive with programs for job training and such.

The fact that the Democrats' value for alll human life is reflected in those policies, compared to the Republican value to treat some parts more like trash, is to be proud of.

(Begore you mention abortion as a counter example, recognize that's not an issue of valuing human life but of defining it.)
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Link works for me...just google "FL no match no vote" if you want more.

Its more than ID. If I remember when I read about this before it ended up in court there are 4 points that must be proven to make it a valid vote, not just ID which is too easy to fake.

no i meant for all the whiners screaming "disenfranchisement" i'm saying 404 disenfranchisement not found.

So in FL all you had to do was show up to a voting station, state your name and you could vote? No wonder Bush "barely" won. It would have been a landslide if there were actual controls in place.

Getting OT but whether the votes in FL were accurate or not, Bush would have won regardless. Electoral vote remember? This is in regards to popular vote. Of course.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
It's the latest Republican scheme for minimizing democrtic votes, I suspect.

I was just reading an old 2004 article, about how Jeb Bush had finally 'restored' the civil rights, including the right to vote, of 125,000 felons.

Of course, this meant they had that right; he'd been illegally denying it to them previously, especially for the 2000 election, which his brother officially won by 637 votes.

Felons vote democratic around 90%. Bush ahd been ordered repeaedly by the courth to stop blocking the felons who had the right to vote from voting. He kept doing it.

It's pretty easy to do the math, and there's no doubt that his actions cost the democrats more than 537 votes, and this is one more thing that blocked the voters' will that election.

While it may seem a little embarrassing to have the felons as a base, that's not the issue, the issue is the illagal disenfranchsing of their vote.

That's not the whole story:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/.../Fitrakis_Drug-War.htm

They also used a ?same and similar? name list to strip voting rights away from tens of thousands of Florida black voters in urban areas. Bush Jr.?s brother Jeb and Florida?s Secretary of State Katherine Harris deliberately set out to disenfranchise law-abiding black citizens because they had the same or a similar name as a felon

This came to my attention from the HBO movie 'Recount'. Apparently Katherine Harris issued a list of ALL POSSIBLE SPELLINGS of certain felon's names, resulting in blocking over 10,000 NON-FELONS from voting. And once this error was discovered it was too late to do anything except sue for damages, because the only votes that are allowed to be 'recounted' are those that are cast. By blocking 10,000 votes (almost entirely black) from voting (90% dem), the reps took florida, and the election.

Way to go Harris!
 
Findings of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights on the 2000 election in Florida:

- black voters were nearly 10 times more likely than nonblack voters to have their ballots rejected.

- approximately 14.4 percent of Florida?s black voters cast ballots that were rejected. This compares with approximately 1.6 percent of nonblack Florida voters who did not have their presidential votes counted.

- 11 percent of Florida voters were African American; however, African Americans cast about 54 percent of the 180,000 spoiled ballots in Florida during the November 2000 election

- 83 of the 100 precincts with the highest numbers of spoiled ballots were black-majority precincts.
 
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