Fixing our Parties

Dec 10, 2005
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We need more moderates in the parties.

I wouldn't go as to say that. Moderate is not the solution to everything. We really just need people that can partake in civilized debate without completely demonizing the other side. Also, people that can argue in the nuisance of the world instead of just jumping to extremes all the time.
 

Moonbeam

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Cool, it didn't even take a day for two examples of what wrong to show up. Could you stand in front of the class and continue with your spew?

I don't know where the gop thingi came from but I was just quoting what was said in the video. It was about how to get power back from the bad people any the bad people are liberals. Did you watch it?
 
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The way to fix the parties is for the various factions that make them up to splinter off...

Green
National Socialist
GLAAD
Tea Party
Conservatives
I only vote for pro-life because that's the only issue that matters to me
etc...

Too much compromise in national politics causes the teams to form up like they have...
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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We need more moderates in the parties.

Moderate at what, their bipartisan agreement to expand government and their elite ruling class? That is no solution to anything useful.

We need power in the hands of people. Moderates won't get us there.
 

God Mode

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Jul 2, 2005
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Can't fix shit unless wealth, mainly land is redistributed. An idealistic poor person has no place in the current system no matter their intelligence or integrity. The rich got rich with an agenda and being in political power will be used to further that agenda. Perpetual quagmire.
 

MovingTarget

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Jun 22, 2003
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Kind of ironic that a post about fixing political parties is made by the handle "Dixiecrat".

:p

Personally, I think they should eliminate party affiliation on the ballot entirely. Voting should be done on the basis of the person running for office, not team A vs. team B.
 

ShawnD1

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May 24, 2003
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Even though the website looks straight up tinfoil hat, this speaker seems legit. I don't have time to watch the whole thing but I'll download it and watch it later. Thanks for the link.
 

piasabird

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Moderates are irrelevent. Moderate = wishy washy.

The problem is that government = steal from the poor. More government just means more stealing.
 

ShawnD1

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May 24, 2003
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How does government = steal from the poor?

Some people are painfully uneducated and think the government steals from poor people. I seem to recall it being the other way around. Poor people get free education up to grade 12 and their kids get free education as well. They also get subsidized public transit, public libraries, free police, free military, medicaid, welfare, and a bunch of other shit. Poor people love the government.
 

Dr. Zaus

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I don't know where the gop thingi came from but I was just quoting what was said in the video. It was about how to get power back from the bad people any the bad people are liberals. Did you watch it?
Yes, it is very partisan and I'm sorry about that. But I think that no matter what side you are on you can see his point about how only those that get paid to be evil stick with it... good guys rarely make money off of being in politics.

If good people serve their nation instead of letting corrupt people run either part we can have a better world.

It is only beyond hope if people of good will stay at home instead of try to take back over the parties.
Kind of ironic that a post about fixing political parties is made by the handle "Dixiecrat".
Irony and multivariate statistics are two things I do fairly well.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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This is likely true. Our gov't has been bought, and the owners aren't about to give it back.

Yep. The corporations have spent big money buying our political system...and like stockholders, they demand a good return on their investments.
 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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Fixing the parties is simple yet nearly impossible. End the primary system. Get government out of the business of helping parties select their candidates. Go back to the caucus system where party members select the candidates. Left to their own devices, party members will select candidates who represent their values. This is good for everybody as the candidates and party platforms will be harmonized. So if a party is full of members who are bat $%$^ crazy then that party's candidates will reflect this. The electorate can then see the parties and candidates for who they really are instead of the current system of claiming that the "electable" candidate fits a party because it is a "big tent". We don't need wishy washy big tent parties; we can always make more tents. Pat Robertson's triumph in the Iowa caucuses is a great example of why the primary system needs to go. Pat Robertson represented the values held by the members of the Iowa Republican Party, not the values of folks who happen to vote in a primary but the actual dues paying party members. Folks who weren't Iowa Reps might consider Robertson to be a nutjob but so what? He was their candidate, not anyone else's. If a party, by selecting candidates who reflect the party members' views, select candidates who lose elections, this is a good thing and is the way elections aught to run. Parties with un-popular positions should lose.

The second aspect of the above idea is that by requiring parties to pick their own candidates the general voter, who isn't a member of a party, will stop identifying with a particular party. How many folks vote in a Dem/Rep primary but are not party members? These folks often identify themselves as Dems/Reps but they aren't. The primary system creates this false sense of tribalism. Ending the primary system ends a significant marketing opportunity for the major parties.
 

Dr. Zaus

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^But the key here is also to eliminate in-group special interest tribalism and focus on being fair to everyone you are aligned with AND everyone aligned against you.^
 

ProfJohn

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Jul 28, 2006
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The problem isn't the parties.

It is the government itself. There is too much power and too much money being controlled by Washington.

Why does a union spend millions of dollars to help one person get elected? Because once that person is in office they can repay the union by sending it billions of dollars one way or another.

Same with corporations and interest groups etc etc etc etc.

Take the power away from Washington and then you'll take the power away from the parties and then things will start to change.