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Xavier434

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PC Games are not dying, but the business has changed a lot due to the vast increase in costs to develop a solid video game that will sell.

This is the deal. I looked into buying a franchise for a store that sells video games much like Gamestop and the like. The truth is that the majority of the profits made by these stores comes from the sale of used video games. It makes sense too. You go trade in your used games for something like $5 in store value and the store turns around and sells it for $30-$40. These are big time profits and you can't do that with PC games. However, stores like Best Buy do not sell used games. You will also notice that they sell many more PC games than stores like Gamestop. It's simply the nature of their business and it works.


This is why the big new thing if you want to make money in the PC Gaming industry is to come out with games which really hook people and you continue to develop expansions to sell and sequels. This is also why the MMO market is currently the "In thing" when it comes to PC game development. Those monthy fees are like the gift that keeps on giving to these companies provided that they release new content and don't let the game flop due to economy inflation or whatever the case may be.




Now, that is the business side. For the gamer consumer, it pretty simple. You got your hard core gamers and your casuals. The hard core gamers are going to pay for those expensive computers and consoles. No need to worry about that as a business. What you do need to worry about are the quality of the games. Hard core gamers can be difficult to please, but if you come out with a really good game then they will buy the console/computer that the game can be played on. It has always worked that way. It is all about the games.

For the casual gamer it is different. They are often entertained by the simpler games as well as the really involved ones, but they are only willing to spend so much of their hard earned cash to play them. This has led to much success with the Wii amongst many other reasons.

The bottom line overall is that as long as a gaming platform, whether it be a PC or console, has great games that people have a lot of fun playing on them then they will be bought. Neither are going anywhere.
 

StrangerGuy

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Originally posted by: schneiderguy
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Myth #1: PC gaming is way too expensive
Myth #2: PC gaming means nothing but broken releases, updates, and patches
Myth #3: PC games don't sell, and are falling far behind console game sales
Myth #4: Online gaming on the PC is a mess, and no match for the likes of Xbox Live
Myth #5: Copy protection on PC games is a major headache

The most interesting part (to me at least) was the part about game sales. He makes a good point about how comparing the PC to the entire console gaming market isnt really fair, and if you compare the PC to just one system it sells as much or more than most consoles.

1. Been outta the price loop...But then it's always nice to have graphics improving without changing the underlying hardware for years to come with the hardware getting cheaper at the same time.

2. There are quite a bit of games that even refuse to install, let alone even getting to the game stopping bugs. That's why I got myself a DS: You put the cartridge in and start playing; no installation, no unskippable TWIMTBP logos. And the games are more fun and loads FAST.

3. They do sell. Except like 1/10 of the console market. A pretty ugly figure considering the entire PC base is easily more than all consoles combined. BTW MMORPGs aren't going to stay forever on PCs...Think that those devs never gave a $$$ thought on consoles?

4. Never used Xbox Live myself before...Not that online gaming for PC is really bad, but I can see how MS is making online gaming easier to use for end users without them going through loops.

5. Of course. It doesn't stop the pirates and it annoys the hell outta legitimate users, and the methods used (rootkits?) are borderline criminal. Most who pirate are not willing to buy the games in the very first place, so why even bother?

Feel free to ignore this post.

 

potato28

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
does even halo 3 compare to cs in terms on online player base? i wouldn't be surprised if more ppl play cs everyday than all online console games combined.

I think Valve released a statement which said that all CS versions logged over 1 billion hours in one month. It's been going up ever since.
 
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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
does even halo 3 compare to cs in terms on online player base? i wouldn't be surprised if more ppl play cs everyday than all online console games combined.
Halo 3 Players Online:301,371
Unique Players (Last 24 Hours):1,497,682
Matches Logged (Last 24 Hours):4,629,590
UNSC Campaign Kill Count:767,737,901
And it isn't even the weekend yet.

what are the stats for cs?

edit: i was looking at the stats on steampowered.com. i had no idea that the original cs was so much more popular than cs:s
 

potato28

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
does even halo 3 compare to cs in terms on online player base? i wouldn't be surprised if more ppl play cs everyday than all online console games combined.
Halo 3 Players Online:301,371
Unique Players (Last 24 Hours):1,497,682
Matches Logged (Last 24 Hours):4,629,590
UNSC Campaign Kill Count:767,737,901
And it isn't even the weekend yet.

I saw about 500,000 last night when I was playing a little Ninjanaught.
 

cmdrdredd

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Dec 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: hooflung
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
does even halo 3 compare to cs in terms on online player base? i wouldn't be surprised if more ppl play cs everyday than all online console games combined.
Halo 3 Players Online:301,371
Unique Players (Last 24 Hours):1,497,682
Matches Logged (Last 24 Hours):4,629,590
UNSC Campaign Kill Count:767,737,901
And it isn't even the weekend yet.

While his point was as exaggerated, your point is somewhat suspect too. So what if a brand new game gets a rush? In 6 years will Halo 3 still have 252,716 unique players playing and 117,275 steam registered servers available for play like CS classic does right now at 12:00pm NOON on a friday EST ? I think not.

Halo 2 is still super popular...I don't have any stats, but there was probably about as many if not more Halo2 players online as Halo3 has in those stats.
 

TheSlamma

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The Gamestop near me has 1 shelf in the back corner for PC and the entire rest of the store is covered in console kiddie crap.
 

Stas

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
Do Valve and Blizzard own the PC market or something?

No, just this PC gaming forum.

do we get discounts? ;)

That would be sweet: Present a link to your AnAndTech forum account with number of posted messages and get the Orange Box for $25! lol
 

novasatori

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Originally posted by: RandomFool
As for #3 pc games are losing shelf space. I went into EB Games the other day and there was only one rack of PC games available. I remember when they used to have a used PC games section that took up that entire rack and a wall of PC goodness.

People have been saying PC gaming is dying for years now anyway.

how about when they took up 4 full racks (front and back) at best buy, 1/2 the walls of an average sized EB Store and a bunch of shelves.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
3. They do sell. Except like 1/10 of the console market. A pretty ugly figure considering the entire PC base is easily more than all consoles combined. BTW MMORPGs aren't going to stay forever on PCs...Think that those devs never gave a $$$ thought on consoles

Blizzard said they have no desire to put WoW on any console as they'd rather spend the time working on their PC version. One interesting thing to look at is... are there more FFXI players on the PS2 and XBOX 360 than on the PC?
 

njdevilsfan87

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Originally posted by: schneiderguy
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Myth #1: PC gaming is way too expensive
Myth #2: PC gaming means nothing but broken releases, updates, and patches
Myth #3: PC games don't sell, and are falling far behind console game sales
Myth #4: Online gaming on the PC is a mess, and no match for the likes of Xbox Live
Myth #5: Copy protection on PC games is a major headache

The most interesting part (to me at least) was the part about game sales. He makes a good point about how comparing the PC to the entire console gaming market isnt really fair, and if you compare the PC to just one system it sells as much or more than most consoles.

1. Subjective - it definitely is more expensive (don't even factor in HDTV cost for consoles because that's just stupid) as the desktop itself is 2-3X more expensive than the console itself if you want a high end PC.

2. No

3. False/True - they do sell, but overall they have fallen way behind console sales.

4. LOL

5. As it is on music and movies. Should music and movies stop being made?
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
Do Valve and Blizzard own the PC market or something?

No, you have to add in Microsoft, Id Software, Ubisoft, Monolith, and (shudders) EA games.
 

Stas

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Originally posted by: Golgatha
Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
Do Valve and Blizzard own the PC market or something?

No, you have to add in Microsoft, Id Software, Ubisoft, Monolith, and (shudders) EA games.

Unfortunatelly, EA would be #1 in the list. Then Ubisoft, Blizzard, Microsoft, Epic. Monolith... well, they only have 1 popular game, so idk if that counts :)
 

Ichigo

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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
The Gamestop near me has 1 shelf in the back corner for PC and the entire rest of the store is covered in console kiddie crap.

Yes for unfounded hate/generalizations!
 

RZaakir

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Originally posted by: novasatori
Originally posted by: RandomFool
As for #3 pc games are losing shelf space. I went into EB Games the other day and there was only one rack of PC games available. I remember when they used to have a used PC games section that took up that entire rack and a wall of PC goodness.

People have been saying PC gaming is dying for years now anyway.

how about when they took up 4 full racks (front and back) at best buy, 1/2 the walls of an average sized EB Store and a bunch of shelves.

At the Best Buy near me, the PC games section is by far the biggest gaming section in the store. Now the PC boxes tend to be bigger so that has something to do with it, but it takes up about what you said - 4 racks front and back.
 

BladeVenom

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Jun 2, 2005
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Good point! Best Buy is the biggest electronics store, and PC gaming gets more shelf space than any other format. There you have it, proof that console gaming is dying. Now lets start a dozen "console gaming is dying" threads.
 

Schadenfroh

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Looks like since consoles are becoming easier to patch, game companies can now apply the "ship now, debug later" mentality that they have been using on PCs for years (well, EA and Atari anyways). EA strikes consoles with Madden 08 bugs.

Originally posted by: BD2003
Its practically unplayable at times. Ive had winning games blown by that stupid random no huddle offsides bug.
Originally posted by: gizbug

EA's Madden 08 for 360, PS3 & Wii filled with bugs - EA branded unsatisfactory by Bureau

For the Wii:

? Kickers missing many of their field goal attempts in SuperStar mode
? Regular system freezes
? Connection problems during online play
? Substantial lag during online play
? Offensive players, including quarterbacks, being placed on special teams plays
? Quarterbacks often don't hand off the ball as they are supposed to during running plays
? 'No huddles' occur at random
? ?No huddles' result in offsides penalties
? Quarterbacks automatically throwing the ball as soon as it is hiked
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Looks like since consoles are becoming easier to patch, game companies can now apply the "ship now, debug later" mentality that they have been using on PCs for years (well, EA and Atari anyways). EA strikes consoles with Madden 08 bugs.

Originally posted by: BD2003
Its practically unplayable at times. Ive had winning games blown by that stupid random no huddle offsides bug.
Originally posted by: gizbug

EA's Madden 08 for 360, PS3 & Wii filled with bugs - EA branded unsatisfactory by Bureau

For the Wii:

? Kickers missing many of their field goal attempts in SuperStar mode
? Regular system freezes
? Connection problems during online play
? Substantial lag during online play
? Offensive players, including quarterbacks, being placed on special teams plays
? Quarterbacks often don't hand off the ball as they are supposed to during running plays
? 'No huddles' occur at random
? ?No huddles' result in offsides penalties
? Quarterbacks automatically throwing the ball as soon as it is hiked

We all knew that was going to happen. As soon as that thing got online, some one thought "lets make it so we can patch games with the online component". The idea was noble enough, we can improve quality even further!

Except that what really happens is that random game publisher X then said "Who cares if its only 3/4s done, we can always patch it later! Release that bitch for the Christmas season!"

This release-now-patch-later mentality sucks for the PC, but it really sucks for the consoles because a lot of people never taken their console online. There's lots of xbox players that have dialup internet and the patches may as well not exist at all for them. Plus, PC gamers are kind of used to have to deal with this bullshit...but the big advantage of consoles is suppose to be "it just works". Even if you only have dialup for a PC, you can still download the patches at work and burn them onto a CD. I am not aware of even the possibility of this crude workaround solution for any consoles, although I could be wrong.
 

AnitaPeterson

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One point that the article makes - and i see everyone so far has avoided it - is that the sales figures and projections are often times ignoring Europe and Asia (except for Japan)... I am willing to bet PC gaming is leading comfortably in those parts of the world... and we've seen how European game companies have been meteorically rising (Croatia does well with Croteam's "Serious Sam", Germany's Crytek is about to kick ass one more time with "Crysis", and even Ukraine made some waves recently with their GSC Game World's title "S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl")
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: RZaakir
Originally posted by: novasatori
Originally posted by: RandomFool
As for #3 pc games are losing shelf space. I went into EB Games the other day and there was only one rack of PC games available. I remember when they used to have a used PC games section that took up that entire rack and a wall of PC goodness.

People have been saying PC gaming is dying for years now anyway.

how about when they took up 4 full racks (front and back) at best buy, 1/2 the walls of an average sized EB Store and a bunch of shelves.

At the Best Buy near me, the PC games section is by far the biggest gaming section in the store. Now the PC boxes tend to be bigger so that has something to do with it, but it takes up about what you said - 4 racks front and back.

Never thought much of it, but there are two racks front and back, and a third kiosk for new or well selling games. The consoles get roughly 6 racks and 4 endcaps. However, that houses Wii, 360, XBox, PS2, PS3, PSP, Gamecube, and DS games + accessories.
 

Mermaidman

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Most of my PC usage is on my laptop, and I'm not going to sacrifice portability to get a hulking gaming laptop. If I want to play the newest games (like UT3), I'll have to get a desktop pretty much just for gaming. That's hardly justification for spending $1K, not that it'll stop me :p