Five myths about Sarah Palin

PJABBER

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I ran across an old friend at the Corner Bar at the Old Ebbitt Grill last evening and offered up some conversation on the upcoming election. I mean, what else do you talk about in DC?

I haven't seen much of her since Obama took over the reins of the Democrat Party, she puts time in at the DNC and travels around the country as a political consultant.

She did not want to talk about the elections coming up in a couple of weeks, she knows that I am critical of the current state of affairs and she did not want to spoil the relaxation she was looking for last evening.

I bought a round and she told me to read the Washington Post this Sunday. Then she said something that almost made me drop my snifter of Hors d'Age Armagnac.

This dyed in the wool, highly experienced Democrat operative said that no matter what happens in the upcoming election, and she does recognize that the Republicans will take over the Congress, Sarah Palin is likely going to be elected President in 2012.

She held that the country has now been exposed to the soul of the Democrat agenda and has rejected it. She doesn't believe that this White House has the finesse to pivot. She believes that the Democrats on the whole still do not understand the mood of the country and that they are blinded by partisanship. She also believes that America has not seen a personality like Palin since Reagan and that Palin is the perfect counterpoint to the perceived hollowness of Obama.

She said that she will wake up tomorrow and continue the good fight. But she believes she is now on the wrong side of history.

I did not say a word through most of this. She obviously needed to vent.

This is the article that she wanted me to read, on the Washington Post's web site before it is on the newsstands.

There is a five question test that is offered at the end of the article to test your knowledge of things Palin. You can take it before or after you read the article, however, I suggest before, to see if you have an idea of who Palin is.

Test yourself and learn how well you know Sarah Palin with a Washington Post quiz: Truth or Myth?: The Palin edition.


Five myths about Sarah Palin

[SIZE=-1]By Matthew Continetti
Sunday, October 17, 2010; B03
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Think you know Sarah Palin? The former Alaska governor has been in the spotlight ever since John McCain named her as his running mate on Aug. 29, 2008. Yet, while practically everybody has an opinion about Palin, not all of those opinions are grounded in reality. Many of them are based more on a "Saturday Night Live" caricature than on the living, breathing, 46-year-old mother of five.

The real Sarah Palin is a complex woman who has risen in no time from obscurity to the stratosphere of American politics, fusing celebrity and populism in novel ways. Now that she's laying the foundation for a possible presidential run in 2012, it's worth taking a moment to separate the fact about Palin from the fable.

1. Palin cost McCain the 2008 election.

She didn't. CNN's 2008 national exit poll, for example, asked voters whether Palin was a factor when they stepped into the voting booth. Those who said yes broke for McCain 56 percent to 43 percent.

Before Palin's selection, remember, McCain suffered from an enthusiasm gap. Republicans were reluctant to vote for the senator from Arizona because of his reputation as a maverick who'd countered his party on taxes, immigration, drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and "cap and trade" climate legislation. But Palin's conservative record in Alaska and antiabortion advocacy changed the Republican mood. With her by his side, McCain's fundraising and support from conservatives improved. It wasn't enough to beat Barack Obama -- but McCain probably would have lost the presidency by a greater margin if he had, say, selected independent Sen. Joe Lieberman as his running mate, further alienating the GOP base.

Yes, it's possible that Palin's conservatism and uneven performance on the campaign trail shifted some voters to Obama's column. But even if Obama picked up some anti-Palin votes, he surely didn't need them: The economy was in recession, Wall Street was in meltdown, and the incumbent Republican president was incredibly unpopular. Of course, in the end, it's impossible to know how McCain would have performed if he hadn't selected Palin -- politics does not allow for control experiments.

2. Resigning as governor was rash.

No one expected Palin's resignation on July 3, 2009, just 2 1/2 years into her term. Her hastily composed and clumsily delivered farewell address left many observers confused about her motives. Some of her critics were only too eager to fill in the gaps with conjecture and hearsay (She's being investigated by the FBI! Sarah and Todd must be headed for divorce!). If there was one thing everybody knew for sure, it was that Palin's career in politics was over. But none of the rumored scandals ever broke. The Palins remain married. And as for Sarah Palin's career, it's taken off. She plays a far greater role in American public life than she did before she left office.

When Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, she confronted three problems. The political coalition on which she had based her governorship -- a combination of Democrats and renegade "Palinista" Republicans -- had, needless to say, collapsed. Her critics were using Alaska's tough ethics laws to launch investigations into her behavior, sapping her finances and her energy. Finally, every time she traveled to the Lower 48, Alaskans criticized her for putting her political interests above the state's.

Palin's solution was to resign. Her agenda stood a better chance of passing if then-Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, who shared Palin's goals, succeeded her as governor. As a private citizen, meanwhile, Palin could make enough money to pay her legal bills. And she would no longer be accused of neglecting her official duties.

Some might say that Palin's resignation was shortsighted and showed that she was not ready for the demands of executive office. But if Palin had remained governor, she would have been denied opportunities to rally the tea party and fight in the battle over the Obama agenda. She would have been stuck on a regional stage. Instead, she's back on the national one.

3. Palin and the tea party are destroying the GOP.

You've heard the spiel: The Republican Party is in the midst of a civil war between moderate incumbents and far-right challengers backed by Palin and the tea party. Driving Charlie Crist from the GOP and defeating establishment figures such as Robert Bennett, Lisa Murkowski and Mike Castle spells electoral doom for the party. The only chance Republicans have for long-term success is to move to the center in a bid to win over millennials and Latinos.

But demographics aren't destiny, and no one knows what the future holds. The reality, right now, is that Palin and the tea party are saving the GOP by dragging it back to its roots and mobilizing conservative voters.

Remember, by the time Palin arrived on the national scene, the Republican Party was depleted, exhausted and held in disrepute. An unpopular war in Iraq, an economy in recession and GOP corruption had driven away independents. Meanwhile, massive government spending and a liberal immigration policy had dispirited conservatives.

This is where Palin came in. In the wake of Obama's historic victory, she and countless other grass-roots activists could have abandoned the GOP and turned the tea party into a conservative third party. They didn't. They decided instead to refashion the Republican Party from the ground up, pressuring it to live up to its limited-government ideals. Now, two years after Obama's win, Republicans are poised to reap major gains in the midterm elections. Palin and the tea party haven't hurt the GOP one bit.

4. Palin is extreme.

On many of the most important issues of the day, Palin holds positions that are squarely in the center-right of American political discourse. And many of those positions, not incidentally, are held by a large segment or even a majority of the public. For instance, neither the public nor Palin believes the stimulus worked. And while most Americans may not share Palin's views regarding "death panels," many join her in opposing Obama's health-care overhaul.

Over the past two years, Pew and Gallup surveys have tracked the public as it has moved to the right -- not on just one or two issues but on a whole constellation of them. Even on the controversial topics of abortion, guns and same-sex marriage, Palin is not as far away from the center as some suppose. A May 2009 Gallup poll, for example, found that a majority of Americans identified as "pro-life" rather than "pro-choice." In October 2009, Gallup measured record-low support for gun control. The public is divided on same-sex marriage, with about half the country joining Palin's (and Obama's) opposition.

5. Palin is unelectable.

Without question, a Palin 2012 campaign would be an uphill battle. Palin is unpopular -- massively so among Democrats, decisively so among independents. Even many Republicans don't believe she's ready to be president.

But opinions can change. Look at the political resuscitations of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Hillary Rodham Clinton. If Palin works hard and runs an impressive campaign, wavering Republicans and skeptical independents may give her a second look.

To earn that second look, she may need to find a big idea. It's hard to become president without one. Reagan had supply-side economics and the end of detente with the Soviets. Bill Clinton had the third way. George W. Bush had compassionate conservatism and the freedom agenda. Obama had national unity and hope and change.

At the moment, however, Palin still expresses her agenda mainly in negative terms, focusing on her opposition to Obama and the Washington establishment. She hasn't defined her "common-sense conservatism" in positive language. And she hasn't found a unifying, exhilarating theme.

Then again, she just might get along without one. After all, a presidential contest is a choice. The public might not love Palin. But by 2012, Americans might absolutely despise Obama. Two more years of a bad economy and an unpopular Afghan war, and anything is possible. Yes, there's a ceiling to Palin's support. But in 2012, there also will be a ceiling to Obama's.

Whose will be higher?

Test yourself and learn how well you know Sarah Palin with a Washington Post quiz: Truth or Myth?: The Palin edition.
 
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shortylickens

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#1: Do you really think people would admit they hated the dumb broad?

Dont forget about that affect where whites say they voted for the black guy, even though the numbers indicate that could not have been true.
 

PJABBER

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#1: Do you really think people would admit they hated the dumb broad?

Dont forget about that affect where whites say they voted for the black guy, even though the numbers indicate that could not have been true.

If there is one thing about Sarah Palin it is that people do not hesitate to express an opinion, for or against.

Hate? That is too strong a word, isn't it? What has she done to you? Hers is a voice that represents many other voices. That she does not express your position is not exactly a cause for hatred.

And if it does, doesn't it represent just what my friend offered up - that Democrats still don't understand the mood of the country?
 

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Five myths about Sarah Palin:

1) She really does read things like newspapers and has a familiarity with world events.
2) She is really just a sweet, foxy momma who isn't a prima donna and who isn't petty and vindictive.
3) Her family life is a model that the rest of the country should aspire too.
4) If she was butt ugly she would still be a successful politician.
5) She really can see Russia from her house.
 

shortylickens

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If there is one thing about Sarah Palin it is that people do not hesitate to express an opinion, for or against.

Hate? That is too strong a word, isn't it? What has she done to you? Hers is a voice that represents many other voices. That she does not express your position is not exactly a cause for hatred.

And if it does, doesn't it represent just what my friend offered up - that Democrats still don't understand the mood of the country?

http://www.ukskeptics.com/article.php?dir=articles&article=Seven_fallacies_of_thought_and_reason.php
 

CrackRabbit

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I think that may be the most wrong list ever published.
1. Palin certainly cost my vote as I was on the fence at the time.
2. Her resignation as Governor of Alaska showed she has no fortitude to take the heat of political office.
3. Her support of "Tea Party" candidates who have been proven over and over to be complete lunatics shows she has little care for the GOP in its current form. She wishes to remake it in her own money grabbing, insane image.
4. Extreme herself, maybe. Dumber than a pile of rocks, most certainly. Again her support of "Tea Party" candidates in the primaries shows she is more than willing to support extremism even if she herself doesn't espouse it.
5. The three things each of the people listed there had going for them, they were all very skilled political operatives. Mrs. Palin is not. Folksy charm and outrage will only get you so far.
 
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Five myths about Sarah Palin:

1) She really does read things like newspapers and has a familiarity with world events.
2) She is really just a sweet, foxy momma who isn't a prima donna and who isn't petty and vindictive.
3) Her family life is a model that the rest of the country should aspire too.
4) If she was butt ugly she would still be a successful politician.
5) She really can see Russia from her house.

Assuming you're not being sarcastic/kidding.

1) When asked what news papers/magazines/etc she reads, she couldn't give any definitive answer. A familiarity with world events is irrelevant. I have a familiarity with world events. That doesn't make me qualified to be POTUS.

2) That is a matter of opinion, and I'm not commenting on it's accuracy.

3) Yes, we all should aspire to raise kids who are pregnant themselves before graduating high school. Great idea!

4) Most likely true. Generally politicians don't get elected based on their looks, but instead based on their credentials/statements/beliefs/affiliations/etc.

5) You may want to educate yourself. Here is a link to help (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...,-152.050781&spn=67.999058,157.324219&t=h&z=3). That links to the google map of her home. She cannot see Russia from it.
 
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I think that may be the most wrong list ever published.
1. Palin certainly cost my vote as I was on the fence at the time.
2. Her resignation as Governor of Alaska showed she has no fortitude to take the heat of political office.
3. Her support of "Tea Party" candidates who have been proven over and over to be complete lunatics shows she has little care for the GOP in its current form. She wishes to remake it in her own money grabbing, insane image.
4. Extreme herself, maybe. Dumber than a pile of rocks, most certainly. Her support of "Tea Party" candidates in the primaries shows she is more than willing to support extremism even if she herself doesn't espouse it.
5. The three things each of the people listed there had going for them, they were all very skilled political operatives. Mrs. Palin is not. Folksy charm and outrage will only get you so far.

Look at Christine O'Donnell's debate the other night. She had Palin's people help prepare her for the debate.
 

BoberFett

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Why does anybody even still talk about Palin? Ignore her and she'll go away. If we're lucky she'll blow through all of her money and be forced to go into pornography, which is the only place I want to see her.
 

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Another thread in which PJABBER finds some shit to throw. For those of you who have turned Sarah Palin into a turd rather than just another person with a point of view that isn't very developed, here's shit in the eye. Enjoy and make PJABBER's day. He loves creating the kind of stink that idiots react to.
 

CallMeJoe

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Half-Governor Palin definitely has a strong base in the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party, but she shall soon find herself vying with Senator DeMented for supremacy in that venue. We shall see if her seat at Fox News and on her "reality" TV show trump Senator DeMented's aspirational Senate leadership.
Even if Half-Governor Palin holds ascendancy within the Tea Party Republicans, she must face serious competition for the Republican nomination before she even contemplates facing a Democrat in the general election. I doubt she will succeed in winking and flirting her way through Republican Presidential debates...


FWIW, there is another possibility to consider; if the economy is still as dismal as you posit and President Obama's poll numbers continue to decline, he may face a viable challenger from within his own party. It is entirely conceivable that the Republicans may face a Democrat in 2012 who has repudiated the Obama legacy with a fervor even they cannot match.
 

Kadarin

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Assuming you're not being sarcastic/kidding.

1) When asked what news papers/magazines/etc she reads, she couldn't give any definitive answer. A familiarity with world events is irrelevant. I have a familiarity with world events. That doesn't make me qualified to be POTUS.

2) That is a matter of opinion, and I'm not commenting on it's accuracy.

3) Yes, we all should aspire to raise kids who are pregnant themselves before graduating high school. Great idea!

4) Most likely true. Generally politicians don't get elected based on their looks, but instead based on their credentials/statements/beliefs/affiliations/etc.

5) You may want to educate yourself. Here is a link to help (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...,-152.050781&spn=67.999058,157.324219&t=h&z=3). That links to the google map of her home. She cannot see Russia from it.

I think you just slightly missed the point.
 

PJABBER

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I think that may be the most wrong list ever published.
1. Palin certainly cost my vote as I was on the fence at the time.
2. Her resignation as Governor of Alaska showed she has no fortitude to take the heat of political office.
3. Her support of "Tea Party" candidates who have been proven over and over to be complete lunatics shows she has little care for the GOP in its current form. She wishes to remake it in her own money grabbing, insane image.
4. Extreme herself, maybe. Dumber than a pile of rocks, most certainly. Again her support of "Tea Party" candidates in the primaries shows she is more than willing to support extremism even if she herself doesn't espouse it.
5. The three things each of the people listed there had going for them, they were all very skilled political operatives. Mrs. Palin is not. Folksy charm and outrage will only get you so far.

Thanks for letting us know how you voted and that you voted against Palin rather than for either of the Presidential candidates.

The rest of your views regurgitate the points made and countered in the WaPo article.

You likely will not be able to overcome your personal animosity, but that does not necessarily reflect the eventual mood of the electorate.

If the election were held November 2, and we actually had the choice between Obama, whose policies, programs and appointments are now evident, and Palin, whose philosophy is known but is being judged on appearance, family, a less suave presentation, who would win?

You may think one or the other is smarter or more suave, but if the country voted based on what each would deliver, actually deliver, Palin would win today.

And that is why my friend needed her second round.
 

FDF12389

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Five myths about Sarah Palin:

1) She really does read things like newspapers and has a familiarity with world events.
2) She is really just a sweet, foxy momma who isn't a prima donna and who isn't petty and vindictive.
3) Her family life is a model that the rest of the country should aspire too.
4) If she was butt ugly she would still be a successful politician.
5) She really can see Russia from her house.
Assuming you're not being sarcastic/kidding.

1) When asked what news papers/magazines/etc she reads, she couldn't give any definitive answer. A familiarity with world events is irrelevant. I have a familiarity with world events. That doesn't make me qualified to be POTUS.

2) That is a matter of opinion, and I'm not commenting on it's accuracy.

3) Yes, we all should aspire to raise kids who are pregnant themselves before graduating high school. Great idea!

4) Most likely true. Generally politicians don't get elected based on their looks, but instead based on their credentials/statements/beliefs/affiliations/etc.

5) You may want to educate yourself. Here is a link to help (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...,-152.050781&spn=67.999058,157.324219&t=h&z=3). That links to the google map of her home. She cannot see Russia from it.

Read much?
 

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Thanks for letting us know how you voted and that you voted against Palin rather than for either of the Presidential candidates.

The rest of your views regurgitate the points made and countered in the WaPo article.

You likely will not be able to overcome your personal animosity, but that does not necessarily reflect the eventual mood of the electorate.

If the election were held November 2, and we actually had the choice between Obama, whose policies, programs and appointments are now evident, and Palin, whose philosophy is known but is being judged on appearance, family, a less suave presentation, who would win?

You may think one or the other is smarter or more suave, but if the country voted based on what each would deliver, actually deliver, Palin would win today.

And that is why my friend needed her second round.

The only thing Palin knows how to deliver is babies... under bizarre and shady circumstances.
 

CrackRabbit

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Thanks for letting us know how you voted and that you voted against Palin rather than for either of the Presidential candidates.

The rest of your views regurgitate the points made and countered in the WaPo article.

You likely will not be able to overcome your personal animosity, but that does not necessarily reflect the eventual mood of the electorate.

If the election were held November 2, and we actually had the choice between Obama, whose policies, programs and appointments are now evident, and Palin, whose philosophy is known but is being judged on appearance, family, a less suave presentation, who would win?

You may think one or the other is smarter or more suave, but if the country voted based on what each would deliver, actually deliver, Palin would win today.

And that is why my friend needed her second round.


McCain's and Obama's political stances were not that far apart. (At least on paper.) So it came down to if either one were to leave office who would be in charge then. The idiot statesman who sticks his foot in his mouth constantly or the folksy nitwit with some truly nutty views of the world.
I chose the guy who likes his foot as a snack to run backup.

As for countering the points I made the WaPo article does little to do that.

Her involvement with the Tea Party shows how deep the division of the GOP truly is.
The Tea Party monster is slowly consuming them from the inside, eventually it will burst through their chest and kill them.

The GOP as we know it today is dead, it just doesn't know it yet.
 

zinfamous

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Thanks for letting us know how you voted and that you voted against Palin rather than for either of the Presidential candidates.

The rest of your views regurgitate the points made and countered in the WaPo article.

You likely will not be able to overcome your personal animosity, but that does not necessarily reflect the eventual mood of the electorate.

If the election were held November 2, and we actually had the choice between Obama, whose policies, programs and appointments are now evident, and Palin, whose philosophy is known but is being judged on appearance, family, a less suave presentation, who would win?

You may think one or the other is smarter or more suave, but if the country voted based on what each would deliver, actually deliver, Palin would win today.

And that is why my friend needed her second round.

Are you kidding? McCain is a geezer. the mere thought that his heart could burst at any second, putting that vapid whoremouth in the most powerful seat on the planet was terribly, utterly, devastating.

No way in fuck this country could recover from the titanic mistake of putting that wise and beautiful woman in that position.

what the fuck do you actually expect Palin to deliver? Does she even have one plan--ONE PLAN--for anything?

No she doesn't. it's just a bunch of cunty hot air.
 

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1. Palin cost McCain the 2008 election.
I think this the 2008 election it didn't matter, the margin is too wide but she definitely did not perform well in interviews thus, at least didn't move any undecided votes to McCain.

2. Resigning as governor was rash.
I don't think it was rash, but it was more of her appetite for national stage, after taste of that, she ain't going back to Alaska to be a small governor, ever.

3. Palin and the tea party are destroying the GOP.
well, the tea party is GOP base, I don't see how they can be destroying themselves. Just a name change that's all.

4. Palin is extreme.
Everything is relative, yes she is extreme comparing to what most Democrates but probably just one of the people in GOP. Nothing special nothing extreme in that group.

5. Palin is unelectable.
That is false, anyone is electable if packaged well. Get Carl Rove to dress her up a bit. Bush jr got elected for 8 years. But if elected, it can be certain that the actual people calling the shots will not be her, she'd probably just be a figurehead, GOP will arrange for a few advisers to 'take care' of the day to day running of the country.
 

PJABBER

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Are you kidding? McCain is a geezer. the mere thought that his heart could burst at any second, putting that vapid whoremouth in the most powerful seat on the planet was terribly, utterly, devastating.

No way in fuck this country could recover from the titanic mistake of putting that wise and beautiful woman in that position.

what the fuck do you actually expect Palin to deliver? Does she even have one plan--ONE PLAN--for anything?

No she doesn't. it's just a bunch of cunty hot air.

Again, YOU having a conniption does not reflect the mood of the country and the ever increasing intolerance for the Big Government experiment the Democrats decided to impose.

EVERY Democrat is having a conniption right now. If they aren't, well, they aren't as partisan Democrat as they might claim to be. You might lash out at Palin as a possible successor to the disaster that Obama is, but I am sure you would do the same no matter who is put up as an alternative.

It may be that the Dems will throw Obama off the ballot to survive as a Party, but I somehow think not, especially as he retains some personal popularity.

For the Dems to win in 2012 they need to do a pivot of the kind the Repubs have done this election cycle. And for your health I would suggest you get some help to do so as well.

Frankly, I was astonished at what my friend said. Not because she is a dyed in the wool Dem operative. But that she said that what defines them is no longer relevant and may not have been so in quite a while. And what defines Palin is.
 
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Fern

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She also believes that America has not seen a personality like Palin since Reagan and that Palin is the perfect counterpoint to the perceived hollowness of Obama.


This is something I have been thinking about recently - Do Americans (mostly) elect their President as a counterpoint to the last one?

Bush was inarticulate, and although not from animosity on his part, very divisive. Obama was very articulate and promised to end the division.

GWH Bush, and old guy who was a lomg time Washington insider. Clinton youngest president and Washington outsider.

Reagan, decisive and optimistic. Carter, well, the opposite, at least that was my impression of him at that time.

Obama's term will end. What will be electorates' perception of him at that time, and how will that influence our choice of the next President?

I'm kind of amused by the thought of Palin as President. Obama came to office with a cadre of people who were supposidly highly credentialed, big resume's etc. And I do think Obama is seen as detached, perhaps aloof by many. I suppose that could indicate a type of candidate like Palin, by that I mean enegaged, down-to-earth, a person many seem to connect with. The so-called experts Obama brought with him are largely seen as failures, I think that bodes ill for another round of elite types.

Fern
 
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This is something I have been thinking about recently - Do Americans (mostly) elect their President as a counterpoint to the last one?

Bush was inarticulate, and although not from animosity on his part, very divisive. Obama was very articulate and promised to end the division.

GWH Bush, and old guy who was a lomg time Washington insider. Clinton youngest president and Washington outsider.

Reagan, decisive and optimistic. Carter, well, the opposite, at least that was my impression of him at that time.

Obama's term will end. What will be electorates' perception of him at that time, and how will that influence our choice of the next President?

I'm kind of amused by the thought of Palin as President. Obama came to office with a cadre of people who were supposidly highly credentialed, big resume's etc. And I do think Obama is seen as detached, perhaps aloof by many. I suppose that could indicate a type of candidate like Palin, by that I mean enegaged, down-to-earth, a person many seem to connect with. The so-called experts Obama brought with him are largely seen as failures, I think that bodes ill for another round of elite types.

Fern

That Palin holds any power what so ever has more to do with stupid people than her actual potential.

I think you know that Fern.
 

qliveur

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If Palin is nominated, not only will the Republicans lose another presidential election; they will also deserve to lose it.

Stop trying to cram this dumb bitch down our throats.