Five Generations of Radeons compared!

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Headfoot

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Price...yawn. Doesn't interest me in a technical discussion.

It's just coincidence then that price is the glaringly obvious and massive downfall of the side you've chosen, right? I'm sure price is irrelevant to you when making purchasing decisions, or do other people buy your GPUs for you?

Technically, they are incredibly close in performance and one costs twice as much.
 

Lepton87

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Wrong. Throttling is the wrong way to look at this. AMD and NV cards both cannot reach their maximum clock potential at stock settings. Buzz word here is "maximum clock potential". That is not throttling. NV doesn't throttle because they don't fall below the guaranteed base clock. AMD doesn't throttle because they ad the moniker "up to". It may seem like nitpicking, but it is important to understand these mechanisms.
NV: fixed base clock, everything above depends on thermals. Clock ceiling is dependent on ASIC quality (some Titans for example can go up to 993 MHz, others a bin higher to 1006).

Yeah, one of my Titans tops out at 980 while the other 1006 at stock. So the difference can be even higher. I have to set the clock offset to +21MHz for the slower one to match the clocks in SLI. The launch price is irrelevant for the Titan now it was certainly a very bad value but it still does not have a worthy successor. 20% more performance is in my opinion not enough to warrant upgrading in graphics cards I shoot for close to double the performance and never less than 50% more. No one will buy the Titan at its launch price, I bought one of my Titans for half the launch price a nice while ago.

It's just coincidence then that price is the glaringly obvious and massive downfall of the side you've chosen, right? I'm sure price is irrelevant to you when making purchasing decisions, or do other people buy your GPUs for you?

Technically, they are incredibly close in performance and one costs twice as much.

I don't know about you but I don't choose sides I buy PRODUCTS. I switch manufactures fairly often this is how my upgrade path looks like:
Voodoo, Voodoo2 (...something in between don't remember), 8500PRO, 9500PRO, X800XT, 9800GTO@GTX, 8800GTS 512, 4890, 5870, 5870sCF, 6970sCF, 6970QUAD, Titan(a downgrade actually), Titans SLI WCed
 
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turn_pike

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Price...yawn. Doesn't interest me in a technical discussion.

Meh. What a cop out.
We're not comparing limited edition Ferrari to a limited edition Bugatti. Graphic card prices are easily within the purchasing power of a teenager or young adult working during summer vacation to save money for his big purchase.

Those who truly dont care about price are unlikely to go to sites like AT or Tom's. Most people who visit these sites and participate in the discussion are very interested in both the technical side as well as getting the most out of their money.

Sure, I bought an unlocked phone for 700 dollar. Yeah, I'm planning to buy 800 - 1000 dollar headphone. That doesnt mean I'm price insensitive, it just means I am willing to have a delayed gratification through saving money..

I don't know about you but I don't choose sides I buy PRODUCTS.

He asked if "price is irrelevant to you when making purchasing decision".
As well as not choosing sides do you also not look at the price tags before buying ?
 
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xthetenth

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Price is always relevant because money can be exchanged for goods and services. If you're on a limited budget, money saved in one place can be spent in another. By cutting unnecessary expenditure in one place you can add to the overall performance and make your experience better. If you can spend more if needed, it's still often in your best interest to spend less at once and upgrade more frequently.

From a pure engineering perspective, costs are what define the whole endeavor. Ignoring cost in all its forms is the purview of five year olds and calvinball players. Trading off power consumption, yields and everything that contributes to cost and performance is design. Ignoring that is like wondering why a house isn't a skyscraper.
 

RussianSensation

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If price is irrelevant, Titan owners would have upgraded to Titan Blacks, went from 2 to 4 Titans, got 2 water-cooled Titan Zs, or would upgrade to 2-4 GTX980 Classifieds.

Since we know that 780Ti > Titan and both overclock similarly, talking about how the Titan / 780Ti would gain 6%+ of boost clock speeds with full power tune is not going to change anything.

Here are 980 SLI OC vs. 780 TI SLI OC vs. 290X CF OC:
4K - 780Ti OC SLI cannot win
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014...980_sli_overclocked_gpu_review/4#.VL_9mC7Ccc4

multi-monitor 780 TI OC SLI cannot win
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014...980_sli_overclocked_gpu_review/5#.VL_94i7Ccc4

It's only logical to conclude that if 780Ti OC SLI cannot beat 290X OC CF, then Titan SLI OC won't beat 290 OC CF at 1440P or above, on average. Considering R9 290s cost $400 for a long time, and prices only fell, Titan SLI was at least 2x more expensive but not faster. Not a good buy for gaming.
 

Lepton87

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As always making comparisons in the least used resolutions, why not compare at 3x4HD?