Five Generations of Radeons compared!

R0H1T

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Just to highlight a few import points wrt the performance leap in ~5yrs from either camp ~

Nvidia

1) 2.5x at WXGA
2) 2.67x at FHD
3) 2.93x at WQHD

AMD

1) 2.85x at WXGA
2) 3.13x at FHD
3) 4.01x at WQHD

Also worth noting that AMD GPU's have actually fared worse in terms of efficiency but have gained massively in compute (GPGPU/OpenCL) perf.
 
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DooKey

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This is why we can't have nice things. Why did you have to bring NV into this thread? I don't think it will end well.
 

R0H1T

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This is why we can't have nice things. Why did you have to bring NV into this thread? I don't think it will end well.
Did you mean the OP or was this directed at me :hmm:
Regardless of who you were referring to btw an objective comparison is always welcome, it shouldn't matter (which camp you belong to) when dealing with cold hard facts.
 

DooKey

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I agree with you and I don't want to start a company war. Just seems like once one company is mentioned in a thread the other comes in and then the flames begin.

Regardless, I'll get this back on topic. The OP was pretty good. I enjoyed the article on the AMD progression.
 

lavaheadache

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Just like the nvidia article the I'm left wondering about the gpu choices here. Really, 7970 and 7970 GHZ.....?

If it were me I would have taken each back to DX 10 hardware. hd2900/3870, and 4870 would have been interesting just like including the 8800's would have been nice.

Otherwise, I really like these types of articles. In fact, I find pieces like these that include older hardware that people still have kicking around useful.
 

ronbo613

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. In fact, I find pieces like these that include older hardware that people still have kicking around useful.

I have a vintage ATI All In Wonder X800XT with all the cables that works perfectly. I was going to donate it to the Radeon GPU Museum but I can sell it if the price is right...
 

Makaveli

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This is why we can't have nice things. Why did you have to bring NV into this thread? I don't think it will end well.

I added the link just incase anyone wants to see it.

The thread title is still about the radeon's.

If anyone decides to get anal about it and I will just report them to a moderate to keep the topic civil.
 

lavaheadache

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I have a vintage ATI All In Wonder X800XT with all the cables that works perfectly. I was going to donate it to the Radeon GPU Museum but I can sell it if the price is right...

should have been a pm... but let me get this straight, you are willing to give it away to sit but if somebody actually wants for personal reasons it'll cost them? lol, capitalism at it's finest =)

Shoot me a pm with what you had in mind.
 

Gikaseixas

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Still have my HD5870, beast of card when it was released. My 280 GTX was also impressive but couldn't compete, reminds me of GTX 980 vs 290X
 
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lavaheadache

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Still have my HD5870, beast of card when it was released. My 280 GTX was also impressive but couldn't compete, reminds me of GTX 980 vs 290X

5870 and gtx 280 were not competition to each other, nor is 980 or 290x technically speaking but a 290x gets awfully close to a 980 from time to time
 

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Only real issue with the Evergreens was their low tessellation performance vs Nvidia's Fermis, and so many of those first DX11 games really were built around the tessellation performance of Fermi.

I only recently (December) retired my Radeon 5850. It's easily the most value I've gotten out of a graphics card, five years! It could also OC very well, up to 925 MHz! My need for something new really came down to needing more than a 1 GB of VRAM, not the GPU itself which really says something.
 

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Just like the nvidia article the I'm left wondering about the gpu choices here. Really, 7970 and 7970 GHZ.....?

If it were me I would have taken each back to DX 10 hardware. hd2900/3870, and 4870 would have been interesting just like including the 8800's would have been nice.

Otherwise, I really like these types of articles. In fact, I find pieces like these that include older hardware that people still have kicking around useful.

I agree.
PC benchmarks in general do need to include more of the older series.

The 8800GT is still minimum for many games. I'd love seeing more benchmarks testing down to the minimum specs.
 

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(1) Looks like what we have already known is true: HD5870 is heavily penalized against the 6970 in modern games due to 1GB of VRAM and poor tessellation.

"The first comparison at 1080p favored the HD 6970 over the HD 5870 by 36%, and at 2560x1600 this margin was blown out to 76%, which is a much larger gap than we recorded in our December 2010 review."

(2) 7970 GCN was able to stretch its wings against VLIW 6970, which wasn't possible to show during 7970 launch since there weren't enough advanced games/game engines at that time.

"Moving from the HD 6970 to the HD 7970 saw massive performance gains -- 66% at 1080p and 71% at 2560x1600 -- whereas back in December 2011 we found the 7970 to be on average 42% faster than the 6970 at 2560x1600"


Also, impressive that in the demanding titles R9 290X is now about 32-36% faster than the 7970Ghz.

"Given that the 7970 GHz Edition retained the performance crown for longer than the standard 7970 did, we used it to measure the next-generation performance jump to the R9 290X, which was 32% faster at 1080p and 36% faster at 2560x1600."

The 6970 vs. 5870, 7970 vs. 6970 and 290X vs. 7970Ghz examples all show that as games become more demanding, future GPUs tend to extend their lead a bit while perhaps early reviews might have more CPU bottlenecking in less demanding games. That's why it's pretty important to visit more recent reviews and not rely as much on launch reviews as time moves on. This is ironic because for a lot of mainstream PC gamers, they tend to remember launch reviews more than more recent reviews.

(3) Some overall highlights from the 2 articles also kinda show that it's better to buy 2nd best AMD/NV card and upgrade faster as buying expensive flagship cards is often a waste of $ in the long-term:

- HD 5870 was 25% slower than the GTX 480
- The 6970 was 15% slower than the GTX 580
- 7970 was able to match the GTX 680 with the GHz Edition being 8% faster
- R9 290X stood evenly with GTX 780 Ti
- 290X was 15% slower than the GTX 980.

Looks like outside of GTX480 vs. 5870, spending extra for a flagship NV card wasn't very fruitful long-term, as one would have been better off just upgrading sooner and making their next gen upgrade cheaper with the $ saved -- something I tend to recommend a lot for some posters who want to buy a $550+ card and keep it for 4-5 years or think it's better to pay $80-100 now for a 970 for 5-6% more performance. The review of 5 NV and AMD generations shows that's not the case as moving across generations nets the most gains!

This article also once again highlights that the larger lead of the 980 over the 780Ti and 290X being evenly matched with a 780Ti in modern titles tells us about the priorities of driver optimizations that NV/AMD have today.
 
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ronbo613

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should have been a pm... but let me get this straight, you are willing to give it away to sit but if somebody actually wants for personal reasons it'll cost them? lol, capitalism at it's finest =)

Shoot me a pm with what you had in mind.

I meant it to be kind of a joke, but it's actually a kind of sad statement on how something that works perfectly fine is not really worth much because it's a few years old and obsolete technology, at least here in first world USA.

I tried to sell the video card at one point but nobody seemed interested. I still have an AGP computer that works perfect and I just gave away another Radeon AGP video card so I'll probably keep the old AIW as backup in case the card I have goes bad.
 

Blitzvogel

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Their terrible AF was a greater issue. I bought a 5870, but promptly sold it and reverted to my GTX 285 because of the hideous shimmering textures.

I have noticed the AF too, in particular the way it handles angle-dependent AF, but it was never enough of an issue to make me hate the image. War Thunder was the only game to make me really take notice of it.
 

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I meant it to be kind of a joke, but it's actually a kind of sad statement on how something that works perfectly fine is not really worth much because it's a few years old and obsolete technology, at least here in first world USA.

I tried to sell the video card at one point but nobody seemed interested. I still have an AGP computer that works perfect and I just gave away another Radeon AGP video card so I'll probably keep the old AIW as backup in case the card I have goes bad.

Why is that sad? If the price people are willing to pay is so low, its because there are options that are so far ahead that it would be a waste to spend money on that card.

And, its does not work perfectly fine if you try and use it for modern games. It works insofar that it can still do what it was designed for years ago. Is it really a surprise that people dont want to spend money on one thing, when another thing will bring them more at an almost equal cost?
 

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Why is that sad? If the price people are willing to pay is so low, its because there are options that are so far ahead that it would be a waste to spend money on that card.

And, its does not work perfectly fine if you try and use it for modern games. It works insofar that it can still do what it was designed for years ago. Is it really a surprise that people dont want to spend money on one thing, when another thing will bring them more at an almost equal cost?

yes, even the lowest current Intel IGP is a more viable option for gaming, and there is something else, x800 didn't eve support SM3.0 (unlike the 6000 series from nvidia), and can't even start a lot of games as old as 2007, that's one thing I disliked about the x800s since when they were new,
 

ronbo613

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You guys are right, the X800 sucks for gaming(it did play CFS 2 pretty well), that's not why I bought it. I used it primarily for video capture(remember S-Video, analog?), of course thanks to the endlessly crappy ATI video drivers, it sucked at that as well.

It was the last Radeon video card I bought.
 
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I like roundups like this, since I'm usually upgrading from hardware that is a little older than what's currently being featured in reviews, it's tough to make an apples to apples comparison.
 

Makaveli

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Their terrible AF was a greater issue. I bought a 5870, but promptly sold it and reverted to my GTX 285 because of the hideous shimmering textures.

Ah yes I remember this issue.

It was partially fixed in the 6 series radeons.

Then fully fixed in 7 series.
 

SPBHM

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Should have sent my 3870 and 4890 to them to add to the testing.

the problem is that these cards can't run some of the newer games like Crysis 3 and can't run others with similar settings (like Tessellation) making the test more complex, but yes, it would be fun to have something like HD 2900 XT up to the 290X