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I admit sometimes I feel a little bad when I break thier ballast and she's unable to swin/sink (i.e. she swallows hook and sometimes while reaching down her throat tweaking the hook out I pucture it) But that's the price you pay for being bottom of food chain. I'm not going to swim after her and ruin my fishing.
 
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Originally posted by: djheater

If you'll eat a steak, you have no defensible position for not eating a fish.



Sure you do. it's called TASTE.
Some people like beef, but don't necessarely care for the taste of fish.

blah, blah, blah....

Clearly I was speaking about moral perspective. Granted if you don't like the taste of fish you have a reason not to eat it. What are you, in fourth grade?


No. but I do clearly overanalyze everything WAY to much!
 
IIRC, the concentration of nerve endings in the mouths of fish is lower. You can stick a hook through bait fish and they'll just swim around like nothing's wrong at all... it just depends on where you put the hook through. I've seen larger fish not fighting when a hook was through their mouth, but the line wasn't being pulled on. The pain is minimal. Fish brains probably aren't advanced enough for "suffering."
 
This reminds me about something that happened a few years ago while tuna fishing.
One of the guys there was standing at the stern with his trolling rig, probably brought it in and was going to put it away. These things have huge barbed hooks, this guy got a little careless... He lifted up the pole and ended up jamming that hook right his calf, barb and all. They had to pull the hook through his skin, making a second hole, and cut off barb, not as bad as pulling it out in reverse. I think he was called the happy hooker for the rest of the trip 😛
 
i think the jury is still out. they can definitely tell that something is happening that they should get away from, but that doesn't mean that it is painful.
 
I'm not too sure. I'm an avid fisherman too. I fish every weekend and at least one full day out of the weekend along the California coast.
If fish felt pain I would think that they wouldnt bite the same rig again and again. I was fishing for a lingcod and a heavy fish broke me off on the rocks. I casted out again and it bit hard and did the same thing to me. The 4th time when it went in the rocks, I just gave the line some slack and waited for the fish to come out. Sure enough and I had a 35 inch lingcod in my hands with all of my 4 rigs with sinkers hanging from its mouth.
Maybe some species of fish does feel pain. I frequently catch Batrays in the SF bay. I could almost swear I can tell the fish groaning when its out of the water. But then it could just be wheezing for air through the nose.
 
Originally posted by: zoiks
I'm not too sure. I'm an avid fisherman too. I fish every weekend and at least one full day out of the weekend along the California coast.
If fish felt pain I would think that they wouldnt bite the same rig again and again. I was fishing for a lingcod and a heavy fish broke me off on the rocks. I casted out again and it bit hard and did the same thing to me. The 4th time when it went in the rocks, I just gave the line some slack and waited for the fish to come out. Sure enough and I had a 35 inch lingcod in my hands with all of my 4 rigs with sinkers hanging from its mouth.
Maybe some species of fish does feel pain. I frequently catch Batrays in the SF bay. I could almost swear I can tell the fish groaning when its out of the water. But then it could just be wheezing for air through the nose.

tl;dr
 
I like crucifying Christians. Sure, they feel pain. But who cares anyway, they're just Christians 😛

Inflicting pain for fun is.... well... FUN! Right?

...
 
From my vantage point, idealism is the fatal flaw of the PETA organization. They deprive themselves of respect from a willing public simply because they are so idealistic in their approach.

Darwinism may indeed remain simply a theory in the minds of many, but it should not remain a mystery why the human race and other species on the globe have thrived. This world rewards only those who have desire to survive, and that is why carnivores are so heavily rewarded.

Being selfish and yet meek are solely human qualities that rarely exhibit themselves in the animal kingdom. We have the ability to show compassion, but as we eventually reach the frontier of the meaning of our existence, we are perplexed with our impending role in running the world as we have claimed it.

In our quest, we come to understand pain, and in our selfishness, proceed to banish it from our midst for fear that we may one day be the target of it. Still, others with idealistic views seek to banish it from the entire world. Perhaps following some fancy such as Alice in Wonderland, or perhaps leaning on a more personally reverent text such as the one that depicts the story of Adam and Eve, these idealists seek to idealize an imperfect world, to the dismay of the realists.

Then they feel bad for the poor fish.

They spin the reality that is into disagreement with what isn?t because they feel a duty, as overseers of the world, to vanquish pain. As honorable as their intentions may be, their minds are out of touch with reality.

This world is archaic in its methods and that has spawned such a great race such as our own, so perhaps it knows something we do not. Pain is what got us here.

I have no groundbreaking conclusion, because I have not lived enough to gauge how hard the ground I am walking on truly is, but I will leave you with thoughts.

Pain is one of the most feared and yet one of the most common sensations know to man, and most every creature on the planet that can capitulate to its existence. We, who can actually understand it, cower at even it?s mentioning. There is merit in wanting to free this world of this pain, but it is hopeless using the methods PETA usually defaults to.

Instead of confronting man for the unnecessary pain, they seek to abolish all pain, necessary to our survival or not.

That is why their voice continuously finds death ears.
 
Maybe I should feel bad about shooting fish in a bucket with a pellet gun, setting up crab vs. crab and crab vs. fish battles to the death, and that one time I set a bag of crabs on fire. But I don't. I don't trust anything that lives in the sea.
 
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