Fishing boats harassed by gun boats.

[Nebor]

If bullying is tolerated then why the US started and supported the UN?

And, why prosecuted the Nazi for bullying the Jews?

Even the Israelis court doesn't support the right wing Zionist secular Jew view point that you have, hence the Israelis police arrested the hate speech Rabbis Dov Lior and Yacob Yousef.

King's Torah splits Israel's religious and secular Jews

The US started and supported the UN to expand our power in a legitimate way. As a result, we can forever keep Palestine from being recognized as a country due to our vote on the security council. Whereas before we might need to become involved in an altercation to achieve such ends, now we've convinced the world to participate in an organization in which we hold a great deal of influence. And moreover, if the UN disagrees with the US, we simply ignore it and do as we please. It's a win win for us.

We punished the Nazis because they started a war with us. We were stronger. We beat them, and then we punished them. If they hadn't attacked us and our allies, we would have sat by while they ran their death camps for decades. We were certainly aware of them long before our involvement in WW2.

I'm familiar with the King's Torah, but there is no mention in that article of the courts coming down against the authors or those that believe in what it espouses. The article is about secular jews sympathizing with the enemy and being surprised when a large number of non-extremist religious jews came to the aid of the right wing authors of the King's Torah.

 

[BeauJangles]

Meh, it's over.

The Israelis have butchered and killed off what was once the people who lived there.

Israel and most posters here have disregarded human life entirely. They refuse to acknowledge Palestinians (every Jew hater apparently made up and created the word "Palestine"), praise the death and harm of innocent lives and take pride in their stance.

No point in trying to talk sense into blood thirsty animals like Israel an it's supporters. Their hands are stained. Let them go before God like that - I doubt He will be OK with it. Then and there, they won't be able to use "bu-bu-bu-but teh rock throwin!!!" to escape their crimes.

And, those who support these horrific acts won't be able to use "bu-bu-bu-but teh Fox newz!!!" either.

Enjoy hell ladies!

🙂

Jews don't believe in hell.

 

[Nebor]

Meh, it's over.

The Israelis have butchered and killed off what was once the people who lived there.

Israel and most posters here have disregarded human life entirely. They refuse to acknowledge Palestinians (every Jew hater apparently made up and created the word "Palestine"), praise the death and harm of innocent lives and take pride in their stance.

No point in trying to talk sense into blood thirsty animals like Israel an it's supporters. Their hands are stained. Let them go before God like that - I doubt He will be OK with it. Then and there, they won't be able to use "bu-bu-bu-but teh rock throwin!!!" to escape their crimes.

And, those who support these horrific acts won't be able to use "bu-bu-bu-but teh Fox newz!!!" either.

Enjoy hell ladies!

🙂

I don't believe in hell. I do believe in ridding the world of the Palestinian annoyance though. :thumbsup:

 

[Macamus Prime]

Jews don't believe in hell.

That's nice.

Hell != fire, flames and a bunch of dudes in red pajamas with pitch forks.

It is being away from the presence God. Murdering innocents will not allow you to get closer to God.

And, I refute any claim stating you can defy / ruin what God has created and still be allowed to stay with Him in the afterlife; be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever.

Religion is man made; God does not follow man's rule or rules.

 

[Nebor]

That's nice.

Hell != fire, flames and a bunch of dudes in red pajamas with pitch forks.

It is being away from the presence God. Murdering innocents will not allow you to get closer to God.

And, I refute any claim stating you can defy / ruin what God has created and still be allowed to stay with Him in the afterlife; be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever.

Religion is man made; God does not follow man's rule or rules.

I think you'd have a hard time convincing all those dead Palestinian kids that there's such a thing as god.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I think you'd have a hard time convincing all those dead Palestinian kids that there's such a thing as god.

You really don't care to understand what God is even all about - we get that. No, really, we do.

🙂

And, it is not my position in life to guide anyone to do anything they really don't want. So, you continue with whatever you wish to make of this life.

When it ends, only you will know and experience what happens or does not happen afterwards. Just understand this very simple point; "it" was mentioned to you.

 

[BeauJangles]

That's nice.

Sure is.

It is being away from the presence God. Murdering innocents will not allow you to get closer to God.

Well, considering Jews also don't believe in your god, I really doubt they give a damn about getting any closer to him than they have to.

And, I refute any claim stating you can defy / ruin what God has created and still be allowed to stay with Him in the afterlife; be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever.

Oh it makes sense now. God has created Hamas and Fatah and has supplied them with holy rockets and suicide bombs to rain down on innocent civilians and any attempt Israel makes to stop it is "against his will?" And you wonder why Jews don't give a crap about being close to such a god?

Religion is man made; God does not follow man's rule or rules.

Good story.

 

[Macamus Prime]

LOL @ the idea of man's institutionalized image of God. Also, I never stated I have a 'your God' faith in God. But, thanks for projecting your hate - hate based off of people who have harmed you in some fashion, under the "will of God".

You've made it clear you hate the Christian God, the Muslim God, the Spaghetti Monster God. Really guys, I can't stress how awesome and great that is.

The point is; it's all a festering pile of donkey shit, from a donkey that has a disease anus. If you latch onto the Bible, Koran, Chef Boyardee tin can - it don't mean shit when it ends.

Be it you will face "nothing" or God.

 

[Whiskey16]

You cannot bear a grudge for the Israelis being paranoid about security. They live under the constant threat of terrorism everyday.

Under any quantitative measure, such threats are minor in comparison to the daily violent abuse Palestinians face under occupation by Israels, let alone, military actions. Collective punishment by a state is criminal.

Collective punishment, occupation, and ethnic cleansing -- under any rational sense will provoke opposition. As the occupier of the West Bank the belligerent holding siege upon Gaza, and the entity in control of the land, air, and sea, Israel is responsible for the status quo. Israel state strategy is to maintain such a state to further its expansion upon a disenfranchised Palestinian entity and to maintain a Jewish majority in Israel via the ethnic cleansing of the entitled Palestinian land holders in the West Bank. It is criminal and immoral to condemn all Palestinians and support Israeli aggression. To see otherwise is due to a bigotry against Palestinians, their denial to fundamental universal rights as people, and upholding Zionist Israels as only being the ethnically worthy of Palestinian land. Only Israel has the cards to simmer hostility.

IMO, when you attack another country and lose its perfectly OK to lose some land.

Only in the opinion of those who advocate crimes. :thumbsdown:

If you think most Americans would shed a tear over dead Palestinian kids, you're wrong. One less future terrorist. The sooner all the Palestinians are wiped out, the sooner I don't have to hear about their bullshit in the news.

The vocal extremism and bigotry upon Muslims are what the Norwegian killer shared and desired more would speak of. What you advocate will encourage more carnage.

Shockingly, Nebor goes even further than the written desires of the Norwegian shooter. Advocating genocide. Spoken hatred in the USA, elsewhere, and the general tolerance of such will certainly lead to be more attacks in the spoken goal to diminish Islam.

Racial hate speech and calls for genocide. Nebor, is your condemnation of an ethnicity to be killed to be acceptable in this forum? 😱

If society tolerate such hatred of people and call for their slaughter, then they hold partial responsibility for violent actions that follow.

No other has yet criticised Nebor... :'(

Every civilised member here has a responsibility to call out and condemn this poster.

 

[Nebor]

I wasn't advocating genocide. I much prefer the assimilation method of dealing with the Palestinian people. If they're absorbed into surrounding countries, and surrender their delusions of statehood, it's a non-violent solution that is better for everyone than the other alternatives. The end result of assimilation would be no more Palestinian people, and I think that's best for everyone.

Of course, if they continue to stubbornly rebuke all attempts at peace, and elect terrorists as their government, I won't shed any tears for those that are killed.

 

[Nebor]

If society tolerate such hatred of people and call for their slaughter, then they hold partial responsibility for violent actions that follow.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

The Palestinians are being wiped out wholesale. That's not really in dispute. Most of the world stands by and does nothing, including the United States. So does that make us idle good men? Or are we part of the triumphing evil? Or are the Palestinians evil, and good men are kicking the shit out of them?

 

[Lemon law]

EK again tries a already disproved myth, "Jordan and Egypt both handed the land and it's headaches over to Israel. They did not hand it over to the Palestinians."

Meaning the end fate is to be decided by either mutual Israeli Palestinian negotiations or binding 3'rd party UN arbitration decisions.

And when, at least IMO, the best long term outcome would be joint Israeli Palestinian sharing plan, where Israel can be an accepted and equal State in the mid-east.

But after losing both Egypt and Turkey in the past two years, its apparent Israel is not willing to value its friendly relations with other nations more than retaining disputed land it can never own.

 

[EagleKeeper]

EK again tries a already disproved myth, "Jordan and Egypt both handed the land and it's headaches over to Israel. They did not hand it over to the Palestinians."

Meaning the end fate is to be decided by either mutual Israeli Palestinian negotiations or binding 3'rd party UN arbitration decisions.

And when, at least IMO, the best long term outcome would be joint Israeli Palestinian sharing plan, where Israel can be an accepted and equal State in the mid-east.

But after losing both Egypt and Turkey in the past two years, its apparent Israel is not willing to value its friendly relations with other nations more than retaining disputed land it can never own.

Egypt was a bribe and having been embarrassed by Israel multiple times was not an ally.
Turkey is/was upset by the embargo incident. It demonstrated the ineptness of Turkey more than anything else in monitoring who was doing what in its country. They should have been more like Greece was; stopping the intended trouble makers in the beginning.

The UN has already stated multiple times that Israel & the Palestinians will have to work out their issues before there can be a Palestinian state recognized by the UN. Your statehood in September 2011 statements will be another example of rose colored glasses. The Palestinians may hope but will be disappointed; they refuse to listen to what the key players are saying.

Who did the land (West Bank/ Gaza) get handed over to after the '67 war?
Israel has control; Jordan & Egypt never contested it.

the area was under Jordanian rule, and Jordan did not officially relinquish its claim to the area until 1988, ceding its territorial claims to the PLO and eventually stripping West Bank Palestinians of Jordanian citizenship.[4][5] Jordan's claim was never formally recognized by the international community, with the exception of the United Kingdom

How does it go; possession is 9/10ths of the law. so it looks like Israel had control and Jordan never complained. Squatters rights, etc. If Jordan never had territorial claim; then it was no mans land and Israel again had control given up by Jordan. Semantics aside; Jordan did not want the West Bank and did not contest Israel for control of it.

Both Jordan and Egypt eventually withdrew their claims to the West Bank and Gaza (the Sinai was returned on the basis of the Camp David Accords of 1978).

Egypt never wanted Gaza - they were the ones that created the camps and closed their border.

 

[Oric]

Egypt was a bribe and having been embarrassed by Israel multiple times was not an ally.
Turkey is/was upset by the embargo incident. It demonstrated the ineptness of Turkey more than anything else in monitoring who was doing what in its country. They should have been more like Greece was; stopping the intended trouble makers in the beginning.

Wrong ! It showed how Israel could easily brush aside every international code just to demonstrate it can kill whoever it likes. The result : The embargo is eased, which is worth a lot to millions living under siege. Greece, under its pathetic economical situation can not dare but stop any flotilla going against Israel's will.

Current Israel goverment is trying to decide whether to apoligize or not. If they can take that step it will be a big step for them to normalize as a country and move towards a bilateral solution with Palestenians.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Wrong ! It showed how Israel could easily brush aside every international code just to demonstrate it can kill whoever it likes. The result : The embargo is eased, which is worth a lot to millions living under siege. Greece, under its pathetic economical situation can not dare but stop any flotilla going against Israel's will.

Current Israel goverment is trying to decide whether to apoligize or not. If they can take that step it will be a big step for them to normalize as a country and move towards a bilateral solution with Palestenians.

What should Israel apologize to Turkey for?

Stopping a boat that was intended on causing trouble.
Defending its people against an armed attack.

Turkey knew the boat was sailing for and into trouble and did nothing about it. Evidence emerged afterwards that they knew that militants were on board and were itching for a fight. Yet the Turkish authorities allowed the boats to sail.
They should be the ones embarrassed for allowing such a situation to develop that placed their people in danger.

 

[Lemon law]

Even if I believed much of the EK revisionist history interpretation, which I do not, I still think EK misses the point in yet another P&N Israeli Palestinian thread which never goes much of anywhere.

Two facts are somewhat apparent.

1. There has been little or no progress on resolving the disputes since 1978 when Israel gave back the can't grow a weed Sinai desert back to Egypt. Meanwhile Israel retains, as disputed lands, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights, and even worse, they place Israeli settlements on them. Making it harder for Israel to anything but retain those illegal gains making a negotiated settlement far harder.

2. Israeli long term survival is untenable without the good will of its neighbors. And Israel seeming places no value on friendly relations with other nations. And in the last 20 years Israeli international standing is dropping like a stone and now Israel cannot really count on support from any Nation. As even the USA is starting to distance itself from Israeli support. But still, its Israel's location that makes the entire mid-east into a powder keg, many nations may not care much for Israel or Palestinians, but they are totally economically dependent on the oil resources of the mid-east. Which is why the larger world will demand some sort of Israeli Palestinian settlement to reduce mid-east tensions. By now the larger world pretty well is in agreement that its Israel that is preventing any progress on a Palestinian State. But now that a Palestinian State is on the UN front burner in terms of one such solution. The heat and pressure on Israeli will continue to build, even if there is not yet a Palestinian State by the end of 2011, the pressure directed at Israel will get much higher in 2012 and beyond. The other thing to say is that since the OSLO accords, the larger world has been invested in the myth that Israelis and Palestinians can find a mutually agreeable plan. If that myth is discarded, it my be binding arbitration time ala a South Africa type solution. Meaning when Palestinians get to vote too, Jews are very unlikely to control the government of the State of Israel.

 

[BeauJangles]

1. There has been little or no progress on resolving the disputes since 1978 when Israel gave back the can't grow a weed Sinai desert back to Egypt. Meanwhile Israel retains, as disputed lands, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights, and even worse, they place Israeli settlements on them. Making it harder for Israel to anything but retain those illegal gains making a negotiated settlement far harder.

As an example, why would Israel ever turn the Golan Heights back over to Syria? While Syria proclaims to the world that they'll settle for peace once Israel returns the Golan Heights, they have made it completely clear to Israel that they cannot wait to stomp them off the face of the earth. Combine that sentiment with longstanding trust issues and duplicity on Syria's side and Israel has no reason to trust them and even less of a reason to turn over the incredibly strategically valuable Golan Heights.

The problem is that Israel has no way of trusting any of its neighbors nor does it have a way to trust the Palestinians. It's impossible for them to believe that these countries are negotiating in good faith, especially when they continue to harbor terrorists that attack Israel, continue to fund violent action against Israel, and continue to call for Israel's downfall.

2. Israeli long term survival is untenable without the good will of its neighbors. And Israel seeming places no value on friendly relations with other nations. And in the last 20 years Israeli international standing is dropping like a stone and now Israel cannot really count on support from any Nation. As even the USA is starting to distance itself from Israeli support.

Israel will always have allies, unless it does something really stupid like launching an unprovoked nuclear strike against another country. Countries like the United States and Germany simply will not end their support for Israel, barring a radical change.

But still, its Israel's location that makes the entire mid-east into a powder keg, many nations may not care much for Israel or Palestinians, but they are totally economically dependent on the oil resources of the mid-east. Which is why the larger world will demand some sort of Israeli Palestinian settlement to reduce mid-east tensions.

The Palestinians draw favor from the other Arab states because those states do not like Israel. They cannot afford to fight an open war against them, so they support the Palestinians as a thorn in Israel's side. Israel has existed for half a century, it's not about to disappear.

By now the larger world pretty well is in agreement that its Israel that is preventing any progress on a Palestinian State.

No, I don't think so. If anything, many Westerns nations (including the United States) have looked to Israel's model for stemming the violence coming from the Gaza Strip and West Bank as a template for fighting terrorism. What we've done in Afghanistan is very similar to the strategy Israel has pursued in the Gaza Strip.

But now that a Palestinian State is on the UN front burner in terms of one such solution, the heat and pressure on Israeli will continue to build, even if there is not yet a Palestinian State by the end of 2011, the pressure directed at Israel will get much higher in 2012 and beyond.

The other thing to say is that since the OSLO accords, the larger world has been invested in the myth that Israelis and Palestinians can find a mutually agreeable plan. If that myth is discarded, it my be binding arbitration time ala a South Africa type solution. Meaning when Palestinians get to vote too, Jews are very unlikely to control the government of the State of Israel.

While terrorism continues to find a home in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, Israel nor the rest of the world is going to move the peace process forward. The establishment of an independent Palestinian State must begin with the rejection of the extremists who have found homes, money, and support among the Palestinians.

There is simply no incentive for Israel to come to the table while the very people its negotiating with are trying to destroy it. If the Palestinians would recognize that they are merely pawns getting played by the other Arab states (who don't give a crap about them at all), this whole process would be a lot farther down the road.

 

[Lemon law]

Just keep telling yourself that BeauJangles, I will wait and see what happens.

The point is and remains, it world history, a mere sixty years of nationhood is barely a start. I serious doubt Israel can maintain its current strategy for even five more years.

But if it makes you any happier, the Assaud rule in Syria will hopefully not even last as long.

But I really really have to wonder about your very foolish statement of, "No, I don't think so. If anything, many Westerns nations (including the United States) have looked to Israel's model for stemming the violence coming from the Gaza Strip and West Bank as a template for fighting terrorism. What we've done in Afghanistan is very similar to the strategy Israel has pursued in the Gaza Strip."

But the point is and remains, the USA aping Israeli counter terrorism has been an epic fail, in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel can better do it in a small area, the USA trying to do it in much larger nations and discovering even the mighty US military can't control a much bigger area. The only way to defeat terrorism is to reduce the appeal of terrorism by reducing the social problems that cause terrorism. Something Israel has also failed to do meaning, Israel, unless it changes policy, will remain a magnet for international terrorism. So far Terrorism has been a mere Israeli annoyance it can afford to ignore, but how much more time does Israel have before Stateless terrorist technology improves to the point they use chemical, biological, or even nuclear weapons against Israel?

Its those type of questions that mean the current Israeli strategy is absolutely untenable.

 

[werepossum]

It's a simple case of the strong vs. the weak. The Israelis are strong, the Palestinians are weak. The FBI & ATF were strong, the Branch Davidians were weak. The US Marshalls & FBI were strong, the Weaver family was weak. The Syrian Government is strong, the resistance is weak.

The point is, if you're the weak one, you KNOW you're the weak one, and you go ahead start shit anyway, don't be surprised when you, your family, your kids and your dogs get massacred.

If you think most Americans would shed a tear over dead Palestinian kids, you're wrong. One less future terrorist. The sooner all the Palestinians are wiped out, the sooner I don't have to hear about their bullshit in the news.

Harsh, but pretty accurate. When you freely elect a terrorist organization as your government, don't expect any sympathy from anyone not sympathizing with terrorists.

 

[Lemon law]

Werepossim says, "Harsh, but pretty accurate. When you freely elect a terrorist organization as your government, don't expect any sympathy from anyone not sympathizing with terrorists."

But fast backwards to 1947 and 1948, that is exactly what Israel did, and even promoted two bomb throwing terrorist and mass murders in Goldie Mier and Began to be the prime minister of Israel.

Yet when Israelis engage in current terrorism and murder, its just a few isolated Israelis, yet when one single Palestinian resorts to terrorism, its the fault of every single one of the 3 million Palestinians.

I have always liked double standards bullshit and triple standards are even better.

 

[Oric]

What should Israel apologize to Turkey for?

Stopping a boat that was intended on causing trouble.

Attacking a boat in international waters, outside its jurisdiction

Defending its people against an armed attack.

Excuse me ? It was Israel military versus civilians. The flotilla did not possess weapons

Turkey knew the boat was sailing for and into trouble and did nothing about it. Evidence emerged afterwards that they knew that militants were on board and were itching for a fight. Yet the Turkish authorities allowed the boats to sail.
They should be the ones embarrassed for allowing such a situation to develop that placed their people in danger.

If you are here to defend the taking of 9 lives by Israeli army which has been condemned by UN I have nothing more to tell you. You are clearly taking the side of the tyranny

Turkey is a position to negotiate peace in the Middle East. Just 18 months prior to the Flotilla Attack, PM Erdogan was mediating talks between PM Netanyahu and PR Esad for a concrete peace between Israel and Syria. The negotiations ended with a peace document to be signed which was about a weeks time. During that week Israel started an operation in Gazza on civilians with 1,900 civilian deaths in Gazza. One thousand nine hundred ! This shows that current Israel government does not want the current situation to change and will block every attempt to find a peaceful solution. Meanwhile Israel will try to expand its borders inside gazza and west bank. They know time is on their side with all their propaganda power and advanced weapons. The flotilla is symbolic in the sense that Israel felt itself threatened not because there were some angry people on board but it showed that the world was reaching out to gazza from different parts of the world, christian, Muslim and Jews on board and chose to attack the ship from Turkey and chose to slaughter civilians to show it will not change its position and will hurt any peace attempts.

Now current Israel goverment is discussing about apologizing to Turkey not to make neocons sad but because they are calculating that it would be their better interest to sit down and continue negotiations.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4099752,00.html
Vilnai slams Lieberman's (Foreign Minister) stance on Turkey ties

 

[Nebor]

its the fault of every single one of the 3 million Palestinians.

I had to look it up, but there are about 11 million Palestinians in the world. You had me going though, for a minute there I thought the Israelis were making great progress. 😀

 

[EagleKeeper]

What should Israel apologize to Turkey for?

Stopping a boat that was intended on causing trouble.

Attacking a boat in international waters, outside its jurisdiction.
the boats were not "attacked. they were boarded for inspection. This is something that many navies are doing.

Defending its people against an armed attack.

Excuse me ? It was Israel military versus civilians. The flotilla did not possess weapons
Only on ONE boat was there an incident. And that boat had a multitude of weapons on board to attack the Israelis as the boarded the boat. The Israelis responded in kind; The amount of force may have been disproportional after the fact; but when one is attacked; one responds with everything that they have to ensure their safety.

Turkey knew the boat was sailing for and into trouble and did nothing about it. Evidence emerged afterwards that they knew that militants were on board and were itching for a fight. Yet the Turkish authorities allowed the boats to sail.
They should be the ones embarrassed for allowing such a situation to develop that placed their people in danger.

If you are here to defend the taking of 9 lives by Israeli army which has been condemned by UN I have nothing more to tell you. You are clearly taking the side of the tyranny

I am stating that those nine lives were WASTED by people using them as PUPPETS. They chose to make a statement and miscalculated. This seems to be a standard with everything that is done against Israel. People think that they can link arms and start singing to stop Israel. Israel has been attacked many time under many different auspices and false flag scenarios. They will not take any chances. The Western mind that supports the Arabs has a hard time comprehending this. The same problems existing with all the anti-war type protesters; those that they support do not give a rats ass about the protesters' safety. They are just a PR means to the end.

Turkey is a position to negotiate peace in the Middle East. Just 18 months prior to the Flotilla Attack, PM Erdogan was mediating talks between PM Netanyahu and PR Esad for a concrete peace between Israel and Syria. The negotiations ended with a peace document to be signed which was about a weeks time. During that week Israel started an operation in Gazza on civilians with 1,900 civilian deaths in Gazza. One thousand nine hundred !


Do you have any understand what triggered the problem. The Palestinians in Gaza started another conflict with Israel. They knew that they would not win; it was just another PR stunt to sacrifice civilians for the greater glory of their cause.

This shows that current Israel government does not want the current situation to change and will block every attempt to find a peaceful solution. Meanwhile Israel will try to expand its borders inside gazza and west bank. They know time is on their side with all their propaganda power and advanced weapons. The flotilla is symbolic in the sense that Israel felt itself threatened not because there were some angry people on board but it showed that the world was reaching out to gazza from different parts of the world, christian, Muslim and Jews on board and chose to attack the ship from Turkey and chose to slaughter civilians to show it will not change its position and will hurt any peace attempts.

Civilians on the ship were killed because they attempted to kill the Israelis. the other ships did not try to attack and no one was harmed. Are you unable to see the difference?


Now current Israel goverment is discussing about apologizing to Turkey not to make neocons sad but because they are calculating that it would be their better interest to sit down and continue negotiations.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4099752,00.html
Vilnai slams Lieberman's (Foreign Minister) stance on Turkey ties

comments in bold

 

[Oric]

the boats were not "attacked. they were boarded for inspection. This is something that many navies are doing.

No, this is an international flotilla and its purpose was declared beforehand. Israel could have stopped and inspected the flotilla only 5 miles later (where they would still be 200+ miles from mainland and inside Israel's declared no-go zone) but chose to intercept before hand. Why ? Because this is strictly saying "I don't care about the world, I don't care about international laws, f..k you all ! I can treat you in the way I LIKE. Well, this is their clear message, do not try to defend this macho behaviour because this is international politics and diplomacy. Only 5 miles later they could be both right & righteous but they showed their true face (I mean the Israeli government)

Excuse me ? It was Israel military versus civilians. The flotilla did not possess weapons

Only on ONE boat was there an incident. And that boat had a multitude of weapons on board to attack the Israelis as the boarded the boat. The Israelis responded in kind; The amount of force may have been disproportional after the fact; but when one is attacked; one responds with everything that they have to ensure their safety.

The ships were searched & inspected before departing from the bases, there were no weapons. The Israeli army jammed all the communications and broadcasts before they attacked the ships so we are supposed to believe their statement that they were under gun fire when they boarded the ships. Strange that no Israeli soldier has bullet wounds but 9 civilians are shot to death. Using assymetric force against civilians is what Israel is used to do but do not expect the World to support this behaviour.

I am stating that those nine lives were WASTED by people using them as PUPPETS. They chose to make a statement and miscalculated. This seems to be a standard with everything that is done against Israel. People think that they can link arms and start singing to stop Israel. Israel has been attacked many time under many different auspices and false flag scenarios. They will not take any chances. The Western mind that supports the Arabs has a hard time comprehending this. The same problems existing with all the anti-war type protesters; those that they support do not give a rats ass about the protesters' safety. They are just a PR means to the end.

Why are you trying to create an apology for Israel. Why are you still singing the tunes of '67 and '73 ? The world is trying to find a solution, a bilateral state solution for the Israel and Palestenian problem and the current Israel gov. does not want to accept it. The world is tired of listening the same old propaganda "Israel under attack by the whole ME", much has passed since then, people want peace, people want an end to the conflict.

Turkey is a position to negotiate peace in the Middle East. Just 18 months prior to the Flotilla Attack, PM Erdogan was mediating talks between PM Netanyahu and PR Esad for a concrete peace between Israel and Syria. The negotiations ended with a peace document to be signed which was about a weeks time. During that week Israel started an operation in Gazza on civilians with 1,900 civilian deaths in Gazza. One thousand nine hundred !


Do you have any understand what triggered the problem. The Palestinians in Gaza started another conflict with Israel. They knew that they would not win; it was just another PR stunt to sacrifice civilians for the greater glory of their cause.

Whatever the Gazans have done to Israel that week did not deserve a retaliation with phosphor bombs and killing of 1,900 human beings. A country, on the verge of signing a peace agreement should know better. Israel, under your protective wings, is acting like a spoiled child for far too long. You are getting bad karma for that.

 

[PokerGuy]

If they dont like it they can presure their elected government (Hamas) to release Gilad Shalit and stop sending rockets at Israel 🙂

Apparently the concept of collective punishment is fine with you. Idiot.