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"Fiscally Conservative" Senate approves ***800 BILLION DOLLAR*** debt limit increase

Phokus

Lifer
WASHINGTON ? A divided Senate approved an $800 billion increase in the federal debt limit Wednesday.

Sen. John Kerry and other Democrats blamed the major boost in borrowing on the fiscal policies of President Bush.

The 52-44 vote, mostly along party lines, is expected to be followed by House passage today. Enactment would raise the government's borrowing limit to $8.18 trillion ? more than eight times the total federal debt that existed when Ronald Reagan took office in 1981.

In his first remarks on the Senate floor since his presidential bid ended in defeat two weeks ago, Kerry said his former opponent had presided over ?the worst fiscal turnaround in our nation's entire history.?

He was referring to the change from the $5.6 trillion in surpluses that was projected for the next 10 years when Bush took office in 2001 to the $2.3 trillion in deficits now estimated for the coming decade.

?This can be called a birth tax, a birth tax that is dumped on the back of every American child unwillingly,? said Kerry, who voted against the borrowing increase.

Republican senators did not join in the debate, underscoring how politically uncomfortable the measure is for them.

That discomfort was highlighted when they refused to bring the bill to a vote before the election.


Administration officials urged lawmakers to act quickly. The government reached its $7.38 trillion borrowing cap last month, and since then the Treasury Department has paid federal bills by taking cash from a civil service retirement account, which it plans to repay.

Failure to raise the debt ceiling could force a default and leave the government unable to pay Social Security recipients, federal workers and other obligations.

Note the bolded parts. Talk about hypocrisy. Afraid that the fiscal conservatives who voted for you find out what a bunch of lying scumbags you are?

This should be interesting to see how cad & co. spins this one :disgust:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/...siness/10209032.htm?1c

Edit:

I think this cartoon is appropriate here:

http://img108.exs.cx/img108/3662/drunken_sailor1.gif

 
Yippie.....


Now foreign Governments and corporations can take Ownership of more of the United States.

huh, I wonder what would happen to our economy if a large persentage of those who held US debt decided to dump it off on the world market?




 
The national debt after this increase will now be 8 times what is was in 1981. These republicans should be called liberals instead of conservatives as they spend money faster than they can tax break it. I guess they think making the US a debtors nation is a good thing.
 
Originally posted by: smashp
save your pennies folks, soon the value of the metal will be worth more than the currancy.

Hehe..it costs $1,000,000 per year MORE to produce pennies than they are worth! 😛 (Read that several years ago)
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: smashp
save your pennies folks, soon the value of the metal will be worth more than the currancy.

Hehe..it costs $1,000,000 per year MORE to produce pennies than they are worth! 😛 (Read that several years ago)



2 years ago I remember a news story about a guy who paid his income taxes in pennies. he had two dumptrucks and they were using wheelbarrows to haul them around.

That was the best way i have ever seen to "Protest" any Tax burden
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Where are all the Republicans? Let's see some spppiiiiiiin....

No spin. This is a real problem and needs to be dealt with immediately. I have gumption that Bush will cut spending in a number of programs in the next term, which will probably ignite a firestorm. But, yes something has to be done and quickly.
 
2 years ago I remember a news story about a guy who paid his income taxes in pennies. he had two dumptrucks and they were using wheelbarrows to haul them around.

Muahahaha, that's awesome!:thumbsup:
 
What, you fantasized previously that Republicans were FOR smaller government? Puh-lease. The Reps are NO DIFFERENT than the Dems when it comes to government spending. What matters to these guys isn't whether they spend too much, but whether they get to spend it on THEIR projects versus the other guys'.

Duh.

Jason

Originally posted by: Phokus
WASHINGTON ? A divided Senate approved an $800 billion increase in the federal debt limit Wednesday.

Sen. John Kerry and other Democrats blamed the major boost in borrowing on the fiscal policies of President Bush.

The 52-44 vote, mostly along party lines, is expected to be followed by House passage today. Enactment would raise the government's borrowing limit to $8.18 trillion ? more than eight times the total federal debt that existed when Ronald Reagan took office in 1981.

In his first remarks on the Senate floor since his presidential bid ended in defeat two weeks ago, Kerry said his former opponent had presided over ?the worst fiscal turnaround in our nation's entire history.?

He was referring to the change from the $5.6 trillion in surpluses that was projected for the next 10 years when Bush took office in 2001 to the $2.3 trillion in deficits now estimated for the coming decade.

?This can be called a birth tax, a birth tax that is dumped on the back of every American child unwillingly,? said Kerry, who voted against the borrowing increase.

Republican senators did not join in the debate, underscoring how politically uncomfortable the measure is for them.

That discomfort was highlighted when they refused to bring the bill to a vote before the election.


Administration officials urged lawmakers to act quickly. The government reached its $7.38 trillion borrowing cap last month, and since then the Treasury Department has paid federal bills by taking cash from a civil service retirement account, which it plans to repay.

Failure to raise the debt ceiling could force a default and leave the government unable to pay Social Security recipients, federal workers and other obligations.

Note the bolded parts. Talk about hypocrisy. Afraid that the fiscal conservatives who voted for you find out what a bunch of lying scumbags you are?

This should be interesting to see how cad & co. spins this one :disgust:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/...siness/10209032.htm?1c

Edit:

I think this cartoon is appropriate here:

http://img108.exs.cx/img108/3662/drunken_sailor1.gif

 
Republicans: Military, corporate welfare, pork, pork and more pork

Democrats: Welfare, social programs, pork, pork and more pork
 
If they did not increase the debt ceiling, the government would have to stop all outgoing payments.
No funds to pay the troops, no SS checks/pensions, no welfare payments, no student load funds, no transportation infrastructure, etc.

Companies that provide services to the government would not be able to be paid, therefore all government buildings could be closed down.

What one has to do is get your congressional delegates to stop approving the spending, not refuse to pay the bills.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
What one has to do is get your congressional delegates to stop approving the spending, not refuse to pay the bills.

Fat chance that'll happen. Spending=votes, and that's true for both parties, which is why no one took Kerry's 'fiscal irresponsibility' charges against Bush seriously. Everyone knew and expected Kerry would spend just as much, if not more. We're long overdue for a balanced budget amendment. Congress simply can't be trusted to balance the books.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Republicans: Military, corporate welfare, pork, pork and more pork

Democrats: Welfare, social programs, pork, pork and more pork

http://www.senate.gov/legislat...ssion=2&vote=00213

only 2 democrats voted for the bill, one of which was Zell Miller, who shouldn't count. the other democrat was from a solidly red state (LA).

Which means what, exactly? Please name for us the last year (if ever) a Democratically-controlled Senate passed a balance budget. Both parties spend money like drunken sailors, and it's time for extraordinary measures (like a balanced budget amendment).
 
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