First one to find a jump in CoD2 <<EDIT: Found a glitch too>>

[mdchesne]

FIRST TO FIND A CoD2 JUMP!
I was a jumper back in old Cod (we can call it old now can't we?). Got to every spot imaginable. nade jump, panzer jump, strafe jump, w/e. new engine for CoD2 won't let you do that anymore, unfortunately....but i did find one in the CoD2 demo so far.

first jump on wall by harbor
different angle, looking at radio(80 degree left from origional pic)
on top of the wall with the two blown-out holes where you rush the MG nest and get the radio for the harbor bombardment


**actually quite pumped about this. heard the level designers would make it very difficult for jumpers to jump this time around.**

 

[mdchesne]

Invisable ledge found near the double mg nest towards the end of the game. After grabbing papers, you can run-jump from sandbags to this ledge and look over the mg nest

 

[TallBill]

invisible ledges rule

 

[BW86]

lol, nice job!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: mdchesne
Invisable ledge found near the double mg nest towards the end of the game. After grabbing papers, you can run-jump from sandbags to this ledge and look over the mg nest

Does this mean the others can not see you there???

Sounds like old "God" mode.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: mdchesne
Invisable ledge found near the double mg nest towards the end of the game. After grabbing papers, you can run-jump from sandbags to this ledge and look over the mg nest

Does this mean the others can not see you there???

Sounds like old "God" mode.

No, it just means the ledge is invisible. For someone on the ground, it would appear he's floating.

 

[mdchesne]

invisbale ledges just means that one part of a brush (object that creates part of another, larger object. like lego blocks for a lego building) is either not cut off right so it overhangs a bit farther than it should or that certain sides aren't given a texture. therefor, the deafult "caulk" texture gives it a transparent look. If you spectate above a map in MP CoD, you'll see all the "caulked" textures. Map designers generally leave places that noone "should" se untextured so the computer doesn't have to render unneeded textures and brushes. the one I jumped to was just a bursh that was probally overhung by a little bit. weird thing is, most of the ledges, even ground level ones, are fielded off (or: it looks like you can easily jump on it, but your character can't land on it or there's an invisable wall that runs from the ledge up making jumping to it impossible). seems they missed this one since there is a definate THUD when you land on it. like solid ground. so they did put collisions on it. dunno. as soon as i get the map file I can experiment with all the other jumps

 

[M0RPH]

There's always a few people like yourself who are more interested in finding exploits in the game than they are in playing it. Because of you, game programmers need to spend a lot of time worring about these little things. Time they could have spent adding more content or improving gameplay. How bout just playing the game as it's intended and have fun with it?

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
There's always a few people like yourself who are more interested in finding exploits in the game than they are in playing it. Because of you, game programmers need to spend a lot of time worring about these little things. Time they could have spent adding more content or improving gameplay. How bout just playing the game as it's intended and have fun with it?

I can't possibly imagine that people finding invisible ledges and the like in the single-player game is too terribly important to the developers. What do they care if 1% of their customer base is doing this? Now if it was multiplayer maps, then it's a whole different story.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: M0RPH
There's always a few people like yourself who are more interested in finding exploits in the game than they are in playing it. Because of you, game programmers need to spend a lot of time worring about these little things. Time they could have spent adding more content or improving gameplay. How bout just playing the game as it's intended and have fun with it?

I can't possibly imagine that people finding invisible ledges and the like in the single-player game is too terribly important to the developers. What do they care if 1% of their customer base is doing this? Now if it was multiplayer maps, then it's a whole different story.

He said he was doing this in the original CoD. My guess is he was doing it in the multiplayer maps too, and that he'll be doing the same thing in CoD2 multiplayer. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

He said he was doing this in the original CoD. My guess is he was doing it in the multiplayer maps too, and that he'll be doing the same thing in CoD2 multiplayer. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

hell yea i will! lol! If I can get on top of a building that has no normal means to other players, I definately will set up a sniping post

and it's not 1%, more like 1 player for every 500. In all the CoD servers listed under MP, only about 1 or maybe two on a good day is a jumping server.

And it is a lot of skill, not just "sick of the game". For example... can anyone get on top of the map (THE MAP!) in tigertown? Didn't think so. well I can, and anyone with skill in a panzerfaust can too. and it's people who CAN'T get up there that are the ones who are complaining "You ruin the game for the rest of us" or "You're cheating! how'd you get up there!" :roll:

The game developers aren't all that worried about jumpers (since we are so few, yet so skilled ), but the new game engine and mapping techniques prevent alot of the ledges, angles and ramps that were so common in the old CoD

I don't see how jumping in a MP map is so different. If you can get somewhere to boost your advantage, legitly, you will. If someone can get outside the map before someone spots them hopping along the outside of a building's windows trying to reach the fence (neuville), and manages to get outside, you bet they'll use it to their advantage. If you can nade jump over a wall to land right in the kraut's spawn bed, you know you will. If you can walk along the top of the wall, meant to seperated the map and the spawnbeds from each other, you bet you'll sit up there sniping off the respawnees. If it's not cheating, it's allowed. It's just "unfair" since not many people have the skills jumping takes

Jumping alone takes skills, but jumping whilst in a DM game... that's skillz! whenever someone b1tches me out for jumping and taking advantage of the map, i always say to them:
"Jumping is as shooting. If I can manage a jump, but you can't, you complain. If I can hit you with my Kar98, but you can't, then you complain as well. How can I win without you complaining?"

 

[M0RPH]

Well now you all can see what this guy is all about... cheating.

Mdchesne, I guess you think this makes you a uber l33t hax0r. It's guys like you that ruin online games for the rest of us. Tell ya what, why don't you and your jumping buddies get your own server and stay there. Don't bother the rest of us with your cheating.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Honestly, I don't see the map jumping as a huge cheating issue as long as the jumpers can be killed from their perch. This has been going on since the original Quake and many use the game physics (ie, rocket jumping) to simply get from point A to B quicker.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Didn't take long for the skill challenged to strike in this game I see.

 

[crizzar]

wow, I've never heard anyone brag about spawn-camping... let alone using an exploit to get there and calling it skill.

just wow

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Well now you all can see what this guy is all about... cheating.

Mdchesne, I guess you think this makes you a uber l33t hax0r. It's guys like you that ruin online games for the rest of us. Tell ya what, why don't you and your jumping buddies get your own server and stay there. Don't bother the rest of us with your cheating.

You're one of those newbs who complains about every little thing in games aren't you? I'm not going to explain AGAIN what jumping is, but if you think it's hacking, you're a bigger newb than anyone I've EVER seen. so take you're "you're cheating" attitude and go back to OT where newbs like you can post BS that you pulled from your weird little mind that makes no sense, just like your post i quoted

 

[AnyMal]

Since when does span camping considered a "skill"? I must've missed the memo.

 

[mdchesne]

being able to jump on a wall that noone else can get on is skill. spawncamping from atop thatw all is an added bonus

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: mdchesne

You're one of those newbs who complains about every little thing in games aren't you? I'm not going to explain AGAIN what jumping is, but if you think it's hacking, you're a bigger newb than anyone I've EVER seen. so take you're "you're cheating" attitude and go back to OT where newbs like you can post BS that you pulled from your weird little mind that makes no sense, just like your post i quoted

I know what jumping is. It's using tricks to get to places on the map where you were never intended to be able to get to. It's exploiting the game for your unfair advantage. It's screwing with the delicate balance that the map designer has created. It's playing the game in a way that was never intended by the game designers. I really don't know if Activision officially considers this cheating, but in my book it is.

I never said it was hacking. I said you must think your some kind of haxor the way you come here and brag about it. If you want to show that you have skill in the game, then play it fairly and kick ass that way. Don't use these lame-ass tactics and then pretend that it's some great skill. BUt then I guess kids like you have nothing better to do with your time.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: mdchesne
being able to jump on a wall that noone else can get on is skill. spawncamping from atop thatw all is an added bonus

Cheating is a bonus? Your "skill" is no different then an average run-of-the-mill wallhacker. In either case you're exploiting volnurabilities in the game's code.

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: mdchesne
being able to jump on a wall that noone else can get on is skill. spawncamping from atop thatw all is an added bonus

Cheating is a bonus? Your "skill" is no different then an average run-of-the-mill wallhacker. In either case you're exploiting volnurabilities in the game's code.

not the code. the game mapping. that is completely different than the code. the actual building of the maps with object is what jumpers exploit.
for example, anyone can jump, so it's not cheating. if everyone can do it, without downloading something, then it's legal. Being able to jump is something everyone can do, without a download, so it's basically the same as operating an mg42. If you don't know how to do it, you can't complain wehn someone else can.

spawncampign is not cheating. the only way to spawncamp is if someone on the opposing team camps in the same area and does not die for a given period of time. therefor, his teammates spawn around him. As long as someone moves from that spot to another location, the spawnbed also moves. So if everyone from that team is too stupid to move to a safer location, then it's fair game to play "shoot the duck"

Originally posted by: M0RPH

I know what jumping is. It's using tricks to get to places on the map where you were never intended to be able to get to. It's exploiting the game for your unfair advantage. It's screwing with the delicate balance that the map designer has created. It's playing the game in a way that was never intended by the game designers. I really don't know if Activision officially considers this cheating, but in my book it is.

very good. yes, it is playing the game as the developers never meant it to be played. BUT, it is played this way and noone needs a cheat or hack to do it. therefor, it's just like using the pistol to pwn a smg newb. gamers were never meant to kill anyone with a pistol when faced with someone with an mg, but you can do it, and people will do it.
If you consider it cheating, that's fine. But most server admins won't even take a second look at a jumper if they see him up on a roof sniping people. Only certain servers (a very, very small minorty) will actively state in their console rules "jumping is prohibited" even in POWCamp where even the dumbest of people can get on the buildings via the guardtowers. in which case, and in only those servers, is it considered cheating

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: mdchesne
being able to jump on a wall that noone else can get on is skill. spawncamping from atop thatw all is an added bonus

Cheating is a bonus? Your "skill" is no different then an average run-of-the-mill wallhacker. In either case you're exploiting volnurabilities in the game's code.

oh yes, btw. wallhacking is a hack. something some newb download from the net and then lets the computer do the killing for him. You name one similarity between jumping and hacking... go ahead.
hackers:
hackers download to win
the computer kills for them
they see people behind walls
they can't kill people on their own

jumpers:
are very good at CoD, so much so that they have not only pwned everyone else from the ground, but now have added SKILL (NOT HACKS!) that allow them to move across the map much quicker and higher
can "see" people behind walls because we are ON TOP OF THE WALL!
we get our own kills
we need no programs


the onyl people who don't like jumpers are newbs who think jumping is " no better than wallhacking"

 

[mdchesne]

question to end all debate:

Have you ever jumped on top of a car... or a crate... or box?

If yes, then guess what, you're a jumper!
and how MORPH and AnyMal put it, you also "cheat" :roll:

The people who are on roofs do the same thing. But we jump from boxes, to a signpost, to a wall, to a windowledge, to the roof.

no different than any other jump anyone can do, we just do more and in sequence

 

[Fingolfin269]

Stuff like this is exactly why I'm glad I play on a clan server with very specific rules tailored towards realistic combat. I'd love to read a story about the geared down WW2 soldier who hopped on top of a signpost and up on to a building.

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Stuff like this is exactly why I'm glad I play on a clan server with very specific rules tailored towards realistic combat. I'd love to read a story about the geared down WW2 soldier who hopped on top of a signpost and up on to a building.

it'd be one heck of a story lol
but if a soldier needs ot get over a wall, he'd have to find a way right? explosives.... don't have any. ropes, burnt in the crash... wait! a shimmy pole! go Sgt. Baker, go! shimmy that pole!