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FIRST LOOK: ULi M1695 PCIe/AGP Socket 939 for Athlon 64

I find it rather pathetic that even Anandtech still compare AMD64 chipsets for their RAM controller capabilities. The RAM controller is inside the CPU, ffs. (And while we're at it, there are no FSB:RAM ratios either. Same reason.)

Apart from that, the ULi M1695 is a really nice and welcome chip, and it being a HyperTransport Tunnel (and thus daisy-chainable in front of any old AGP chipset out there, including ULi's own) comes handy for those transitional boards to feature both proper AGP and PCIE-16x. (M1567 "south bridge" is actually the M1689 single-chip effort with a new, southbridge-ish number on it, if you ask me.)
 
I am all over this chipset when a reputable motherboard manufacturer releases it. I have been using an athlon xp 2200 based system that was fine for everyday tasks but had really weak video for gaming so i dropped in an AGP 6800gt around February. Everything was fine 'til the wife says we're expecting. I know I am going to have a lot of DV and pictures to be editing now. Its time for an X2, and with this I get to take my graphics with me for now, and still get the SATA II, PCI-E capabilities for the future.
 
Originally posted by: Bushman5
i cant wait
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Same here. I'll be all over a high end ULi board like a cheap suit. I don't want to upgrade video cards but I do want to go either X2 or a faster SD core chip. And this will be my opportunity to do so.

Take that PCI-e snobs. :thumbsdown:
 
From the looks of it I have been waiting for a chipset like this, however I clearly don't know as much about hardware as many of the posters here on AT. I've been holding off an an Athlon 64 upgrade for a while now, but assuming I can wait for these boards to come out would it be worthwhile for a 3000/3200 or so w/ a 9800 pro? Its clearly cheaper than the Neo2 platinum I was planning on getting and it certainly leaves a lot more room for upgrades. I understand that its probably too early to say for sure but anyone have an opinion on this?

Edit: To clarify as per the next post (Megatomic): I intend to do some gaming however due to the fact that the 9800 Pro was a (stupidly) recent purchase (not to mention other financial heartache) I am simply unable to upgrade my current vid card until December at the earliest and hence the desire for a mobo with AGP and PCIE slots.
 
Even a premium board based on this ULi chipset will be less expensive than standard boards using NV chipsets. So the mobo will be cheaper as you expect.

The 9800 Pro is going to be a pretty big bottleneck to your new system though. It's a good match for AXP chips but not for A64s. Well, that's if you are a serious gamer that wants high FPS with high res. and high IQ settings.
 
I been following this chipset before Computex and I excited that I will keep my 660gt AGP card and dont spend in PCI or SLI, I know there is a CHaintech board around , the thing is drivers and stability. I hope board makers like Asus, Gigabyte, MSI release a board with AGP and the M1689 ULI.
 
BTW there was a news about a thing called as "ATOP" convertor by albatron, sometime back, which would convert AGP card to PCI-e.Any news on that, has it started shipping ?
 
I totally want one!!! A quick look at the benchies shows that AGP still has plenty of bandwidth to keep up with PCI-E on Nvidia 6x00 series hardware. I wish Nvidia would make a 7800GTX for AGP so we could see what the difference is (if any) on next-gen hardware.
 
I have a couple questions.

1. is this a 2 chip solution or 1 and does it need active cooling like the nf4?

2. Who is ULi? Do they have any record making chipsets? We're not going to have beta test this thing at retail are we?
 
1. The M1695 is a HyperTransport-PCIE tunnel, to be paired with a southbridge (or to be daisy-chained with a complete chipset). Very much like with the M1687 followed up by M1689 single-chip, they've already let it shine through that they're going to make a single-chip PCIE offering. No AGP on that one then.

2. ULi are the PC chipset division of ALi spun off to become a separate company. Yes, they have tons of experience in making PC chipsets, straight from the dawn of PC chipsets back in the 286 days. They lost focus and market share in the Pentium-II and III days, made a somewhat half-arsed return on the Athlon, and now have gained their momentum again to make really good and really competitive chipsets.

 
I'm really curious about this thing and the ATI Crossfire system, too.

So much so that I'm holding off an upgrade until retail board reviews are out.

Any ideas on when that might happen? I hear mid-august and ATI's site is even more optimistic.

Thanks
 
Originally posted by: Starman
What, no ISA support? This board sucks :roll:
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There are still PCI-ISA bridge chips available. Now go convince a mainboard maker of the commercial viability of using it.
 
Looks like those wacky guys over at HKEPC have been at it again.

ULi M1695 Review/Benchmarks

SLI works on it using a riser card in their 3 in 1 slot, Crossfire works, and even AGP/PCI-E Crossfire works although its performance is currently less than stellar. Perhaps a driver update can bring it up to regular Crossfire speeds.

Interesting stuff.
 
Originally posted by: Creig
Looks like those wacky guys over at HKEPC have been at it again.

ULi M1695 Review/Benchmarks

SLI works on it using a riser card in their 3 in 1 slot, Crossfire works, and even AGP/PCI-E Crossfire works although its performance is currently less than stellar. Perhaps a driver update can bring it up to regular Crossfire speeds.

Interesting stuff.
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Wow an AGP + PCie crossfire setup. Although the performance is sort of slower than normal crossfire, it is incredible that it even worked. If a tech junkie, ati or ULI can improve that performance through drivers, I think I know what I'll be upgrading to next. (Since it would be more cost effective keeping my X800 + crossfire card than two brand new cards)

 
Can crossfire work through drivers, just slower? As in will it over work on an a non ATI/non crossfire board?
 
Both crossfire and SLI pass the data through a dedicated bridge/cable, linking the two cards directly. Card interaction data does not travel the system busses. Hence, the technology is independent of where the graphics cards are connected. Restrictions are founded on two things: (a) positive results of testing and evaluation, and (b) artificial restrictions in the driver set to get their own chipsets sold rather than someone else's.
 
But was there not/is an NVidia driver that allows SLI on non-sli boards through the driver and not the hardware bridge?

Didn't Anand also say that when he was originally showed crossfire, it wasn't a hardware setup, but rather done through software?
 
I was interested in this chipset when the preview came out, but with the Sapphire preview from today I'm already losing interest. ULi and their mobo partners has better get rolling before it's too late.
 
That riser card is an interesting idea, but poses too many problems. For one, you can't install any other cards as the video cards would block all the other slots. Also, with the riser card, how in the world are you supposed to attach them to the backplate and plug in your monitor cable? The video cards would be 90 degrees to the standard cutouts.

I would like to see boards based on this chipset with more of a conventional layout WITHOUT the need for a riser card. ie - 2 PCI-E 8x/16x, 1 AGP 8x, 1 PCI-E 1x, 1 regular PCI. I'm sure I could live with just a single regular PCI slot instead of two or three if it means eliminating the need for the riser card.

Oh, and OCWorkbench has a thread on the ASrock 939Dual-SATA2 which is based on the M1695/M1567.

http://www.ocworkbench.com/ocwb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/30/4749.html


ULi M1695/M1567 chipset
FSB 1000MHz (2.0GT/s), DC-DDR400
HTT, AMD cool n quiet
ASrock Future CPU Port for upgrading to M2 in the future
PCI Express x16
Native AGP 8x
PCI Express x1
Hybrid booster for safe overclocking
PCI Express based SATA 2 controller on board
Serial ATA 1.5Gb/s RAID 0,1,JBOD
7.1 channel audio, 10/100 Ethernet
ASrock 8 Ch I/O, 4 USB ready to be used


According to a comment posted today by Bluetooth (Admin), he believes this board is actually now available for purchase in Germany.

OCWorkbench review of ASrock 939Dual-SATA2

Yep, it's now available. It's listed for 66.90? which is $81.68.

http://www.neon24.de/product_info.php?cPath=755_1210&products_id=8192
 
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