First: GTX 680 review !!!

[notty22]

I want to see both 7970 and 680 OCed then compare the results. Its obvious the 7970's could have been clocked higher than they were. Lets see where the 680 falls on the scale.

From what I'm seeing, all preliminary. It's not clear that AMD could have clocked Tahiti higher. Why ? Because we are seeing the gtx 680, which is clocked higher, performing faster and using less power than the 925mhz Tahiti.
Also AMD has 2 other card launches (albeit one is still a paper launch) where they did launch with 1ghz clocks, and yes they still have headroom.
So if Nvidia is running at 1ghz and using low power by current 28nm standards, that all points to their being more headroom, and/or AMD design missed on their clocks goal. ((Cough GF100))

 

[railven]

Prices of 500-520 euros (per the Dutch article) do not generally translate to $300 U.S. More like $500-550 U.S. And you get 1GB less VRAM. Ugh. I thought cutting edge VRAM was expensive, so shouldn't that keep down costs and drop it below 7970?? Pretty please???

It seems this applies all too well:

Charlie: Nvidia sucks. Nvidia sucks. Kepler is going to beat Taihiti at $300. nVidia sucks. nVidia sucks.

ATI Fanboy: Preach on. Preach on. What do you mean, trolling? Preach on. Preach one.

NV Fanboy: Charlie don't know jack. Charlie don't know jack. See, Kepler is going to destroy Taihiti and be cheap. Charlie don't know jack. Charlie don't know jack.

Quick someone do a meme generator with the History Channel Guy and put "SOURCES" on it!

 

[blackened23]

The only person I know of is Charlie. There has been hope for price/performance being redefined though from a consumer point of view, with me being very vocal though.

Lets say theoretically the 680 is 35-40% faster than the 580. Obviously we don't know yet. But it if it is, and costs 550$ for 2gb, and 600$ for 4gb, how does this fit price / performance wise? And how does a 430$ GTX 580 fit into that picture.

Just curious as to what your sweet spot is. If i remember right the expectation was 80% more performance at the same price point.

 

[MisterMac]

Synthetic benchmarks put it at 50% from a GTX 580.


This is a win for me.
This is so much better than 7970.

The performance number myths look as close to real as possible.


...too bad the price won't be :c


Imagine if this HAD Actually been a midrange chip and gk110 had taped out correctly and no problems.

Come on nvidia... suprise us with price.. SUPRISE US!

 

[Awkward]

Not sure if serious. Good laughs were had.

Whoops, I missed that ;_;

 

[Olikan]

so, they fixed the BF3 benchmark....

 

[Grooveriding]

These benches are worthless. Someone bring me up to speed on how you run 8xAA in BF3, please..

This is why I think these are not real benches, but nvidia's press deck junk. Looking at the rest of the games it seems accurate when they are calling their new post-AA mode '8xAA' per some other sources. You can't even run 8xAA in BF3, so I would assume these are press slides, but then again, how is the 7970 running 8xAA then ?

lol

 

[blackened23]

so, they fixed the BF3 benchmark....

I'm sick of "reviews" from shady sources. I don't know whether this is believable, PROBABLY not. However, if this is true the metric we should really wait on is overclocking head room. I know 7970 from my experience oc's to 1125-1200 with ease if you modify gpu voltage slightly, so it'll be interesting to see how GK104 overclocks. I wonder if it has headroom to do so -- it does have the turbo boost tech that nvidia is touting.

 

[Awkward]

I bet it overclocks like hellspawn and easily trumps AMD's offering. Btw, it has 3D and physx. Please take my money Nvidia please it's also green

Oh this is also Nvidia's mid-range offering...

 

[blackened23]

These benches are worthless. Someone bring me up to speed on how you run 8xAA in BF3, please..

This is why I think these are not real benches, but nvidia's press deck junk. Looking at the rest of the games it seems accurate when they are calling their new post-AA mode '8xAA' per some other sources. You can't even run 8xAA in BF3, so I would assume these are press slides, but then again, how is the 7970 running 8xAA then ?

lol

Wow. Good catch. 8X MSAA is not possible in bf3, these slides are obviously fake.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Seems to have beat AMD in every metric, even the ones that don't matter.. like performance per watt, performance per mm2, noise, and power draw... While still being faster.

I don't see how they'll spin the 7970 after this, looks like they're clutching onto OC'ing atm though.

 

[blackened23]

I bet it overclocks like hellspawn and easily trumps AMD's offering. Btw, it has 3D and physx. Please take my money Nvidia please it's also green

Oh this is also Nvidia's mid-range offering...

Its not mid range because its the highest end part they have. GK112 isn't in ES yet and won't be ready until the end of the year.

Its interesting to go by that metric though, we could say that 7970 is midrange and Sea Islands is high end. I hope you see how utterly stupid to claim that GK104 is mid range.

 

[blackened23]

Yep. These slides are fake. 8X MSAA is not possible in bf3.

Nvidia marketing at work again?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I hope you see how utterly stupid to claim that GK104 is mid range.

So if the 460 came out before the 470 and 480 you would have considered it high end?

I mean if you push that to 200+ watt TDP on the clocks it probably would have competed with the stock 5870 too.

 

[SirPauly]

Lets say theoretically the 680 is 35-40% faster than the 580. Obviously we don't know yet. But it if it is, and costs 550$ for 2gb, and 600$ for 4gb, how does this fit price / performance wise? And how does a 430$ GTX 580 fit into that picture.

Just curious as to what your sweet spot is. If i remember right the expectation was 80% more performance at the same price point.

I would like to see 60-75 percent and not unreasonable, when one looks at history.

 

[blackened23]

So if the 460 came out before the 470 and 480 you would have considered it high end?

I mean if you push that to 200+ watt TDP on the clocks it probably would have competed with the stock 5870 too.

I don't know. I'll wait for non fake benchmarks to make a judgement on gk104 , these slides are fake :thumbsup:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Indeed :thumbsup:

 

[Awkward]

first non-fake benchmark?

 

[Olikan]

These benches are worthless. Someone bring me up to speed on how you run 8xAA in BF3, please..

This is why I think these are not real benches, but nvidia's press deck junk. Looking at the rest of the games it seems accurate when they are calling their new post-AA mode '8xAA' per some other sources. You can't even run 8xAA in BF3, so I would assume these are press slides, but then again, how is the 7970 running 8xAA then ?

lol

at least for me, those press decks are making me doubt that kepler is going to beat tahiti.....marketing fail is hard here

 

[blackened23]

first non-fake benchmark?

Yes, thank you :thumbsup:

 

[SirPauly]

NVIDIA's New AA Algo is TXAA, Adaptive V-Sync and New 3DVision Surround Detailed
With Kepler architecture, NVIDIA has three new star technologies that will help it with this round: TXAA, a new anti-aliasing algorithm that offers image quality comparable to 16X MSAA, with the performance-penalty of 2X MSAA (if not less); Adaptive V-Sync which is sure to win gamers by the millions; and a redesigned display logic that supports up to four displays from a single GPU.

TXAA, which we talked about a little earlier, turns out to be a super-efficient temporal anti-aliasing algorithm. It has two levels: TXAA(1), and TXAA2. TXAA1 provides the image quality comparable to 16X MSAA, with the performance-penalty of 2X MSAA; while TXAA2 offers image quality higher than 16X MSAA (unlike anything you've seen), with the performance-penalty of 4X MSAA. Since few games natively support it, you will be able to enable it through the NVIDIA Control Panel, in the application profiles, provided you have a Kepler architecture GPU.

Edit: Correct link, sorry.

http://www.techpowerup.com/162504/N...-Sync-and-New-3DVision-Surround-Detailed.html

It is temporal in nature -- interesting. Reminds me of ATI's temporal anti-aliasing -- if accurate.

 

[bryanW1995]

Seems to have beat AMD in every metric, even the ones that don't matter.. like performance per watt, performance per mm2, noise, and power draw... While still being faster.

I don't see how they'll spin the 7970 after this, looks like they're clutching onto OC'ing atm though.

If the best comparisons vs 7970 are at 1920x1080, then gtx 680 is clearly midrange. And 7970 is quite weak in bf3, that's not much to brag about if gtx 680 only pulls ahead by a couple % in one of its best overall games. I'm surprised civ5 isn't shown, NV kicks AMD's butt in that one.

 

[Mopetar]

So if the 460 came out before the 470 and 480 you would have considered it high end?

If they had called the 460 the 480 we would have. If GK104 gets released and branded as the 680, it's pretty much a confirmation that for whatever reason GK100 was canceled. That means GK104 is the new high end part.

However, there is definitely a positive side to all of this. What this likely means is that the schedule for GK110 will be bumped up and that the 780 will absolutely destroy whatever they release as the 680. They'll have time to patch up small issues like how the 580 was much better than the 480 even with fewer transistors. The process will also be mature so hopefully we'll see added performance from that.

 

[wlee15]

From what I'm seeing, all preliminary. It's not clear that AMD could have clocked Tahiti higher. Why ? Because we are seeing the gtx 680, which is clocked higher, performing faster and using less power than the 925mhz Tahiti.
Also AMD has 2 other card launches (albeit one is still a paper launch) where they did launch with 1ghz clocks, and yes they still have headroom.
So if Nvidia is running at 1ghz and using low power by current 28nm standards, that all points to their being more headroom, and/or AMD design missed on their clocks goal. ((Cough GF100))

Dave Baumann over at beyond3d mentioned that because Tahiti was completed first some of the experience and engineering in Tahiti was backported to Cape Verde and Pitcairn. He also hinted at a 1 Ghz(or more) Tahiti.

 

[Subyman]

1 post member gets on here and links to a busted chinese website, why would anyone take this seriously?