First GTX 670 review(s) up (tt & oc.net) * TT OC review added*

[aaksheytalwar]

I think the gtx670 custom pcb should be a real winner, since it really allows the dynamic turbo to shine without reference restrictions.

It's default clock is lower, but if turbo functions the same, a good cooler and good build quality? It will prolly boost higher than reference gtx680s.

Not really. Will prolly be priced very close to a stock 680

 

[MisterMac]

I'm kinda seeing a 450 USD price here.

NVidia wants to sell out as many chips as possible from their poor yields.
So why price it @ 400 and attack the market?

It would still sell @ 450.

I hope for max 400.. but we'll see i geuss.

 

[Jaydip]

I find counterarguments without any fact or constructs other than subjective personal feelings very...very very weak.
Maybe you should think about that.

However..

Because we don't know voltage or more intimate specs.

You can buy a GTX 670 and probably 100% match it up to be a 680.
Clocks, voltage, etc.

As a consumer however, our "quality assurance" is probably alot less strict than AMD & NVidia's requirement.

Because a chip gets designated for a second class binning - doesn't mean it won't in our consumer hands work and be able to be setup to a first class binning.

Unless you know the strict inner procedures and QA requirements of how NVidia bins and constructs they're chips - your point is "insert bad word here".

If 5% of produced chips made it for GTX 680, and 10% made it for GTX 670, 20% for GTX 660ti.

Availability for GTX 670 will seem abundant and crazy.
Even more so once GTX 660ti 3rd class gk104 chips arrive.

Well binning a 700MHz chip to get a 1056MHz one is probably beyond NV's own capability.Look at 580,even the heavily binned chips could rarely get past 950 Mhz.Thers only so much u can get with binning.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nope, I would any day take a 7970 over it at $400. Once both are overclocked the 7970 >= 680 at 1440p with MSAA. This thing will be a good 10% slower at those settings.

If this thing is 400 bucks, then the 7970 should be 400 bucks too.

And 7950 should be $300.

Got a Catleap?

 

[SirPauly]

I'm kinda seeing a 450 USD price here.

NVidia wants to sell out as many chips as possible from their poor yields.
So why price it @ 400 and attack the market?

It would still sell @ 450.

I hope for max 400.. but we'll see i geuss.

Why would you think the chip would be designed for 700mhz based on its size and extremely good power efficiency over-all?

 

[MisterMac]

Well binning a 700MHz chip to get a 1056MHz one is probably beyond NV's own capability.Look at 580,even the heavily binned chips could rarely get past 950 Mhz.Thers only so much u can get with binning.

40 NM != 28 NM.

Hello?

7900 series, 7800 series, GTX 680.

All with a bit of luck have INSANE oc potential.

Why is 740(Wasn't that the original spec?) to 1000 mhz "OMFG UNPOSSIBLE" - when namely any other 28nm card easily does +300 if not 400+mhz above it's reference spec?

 

[Silverforce11]

Not really. Will prolly be priced very close to a stock 680

That windforce model is priced $419. That's ~$80 less than reference gtx680. If its going to turbo boost to 1.2ghz or so, its a no brainer its a better deal since 1.2ghz seem to be the high end reference 680 boost.

Now, because of its beefy PCB and cooler, if enabling 135% TDP allow it to boost to 1.3ghz frequently, no contest its a great product.

Custom gtx670 may end up being same/faster while cheaper than gtx680s due to dynamic turbo.

 

[tviceman]

Hahahaha wow, if this review ends up being the norm across most review sites, the gtx670 is $80 cheaper and equals a stock hd7970. It's been a slow roll out with 28nm, but between the gtx680 coming in faster and cheaper (and smaller and more efficient), the gtx690 all but guaranteeing Nvidia's high end crown, and now the slightly surprising high performance of the gtx670, Nvidia is taking AMD to school.

 

[MisterMac]

Why would you think the chip would be designed for 700mhz based on its size and extremely good power efficiency over-all?

Because that's what leaks said over 6 months ago - right up until tahiti launched and Nvidia public said at trade shows "LULZ @ PERFORMANCE KEPLAH WILL WIN".


GK104 is the originally planned midrange chip - are you going to argue otherwise?

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Got a Catleap?

Nope. A dell u2711

 

[blastingcap]

Your bias is showing.

5850 didn't blow the 285 away, it was like 7% faster at launch and only after driver updates did it pull away to a whopping 8% faster.

Re: overclocking headroom, did you read the article? http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4...gb_video_card_performance_preview/index2.html

915Mhz core is significantly lower than 1006 and the boost is lower than the 680 as well. Yes some 670s didn't make the bin for the 680 but assuming most clock as high as 680s clock, the overclocked 670 should be close to overclocked 7970 speeds.

1. It is too close, perhaps not a 670 in reality.

2. Point 1
Else

3. An oc so high that nearing its oc potential and prolly with a msrp of $460-480 or so with a 10-15% oc over stock with not much headroom.

Next

1. 5850 competed with 285 and blew it away, not 4890. 5870 wasn't even needed and competed close to 295, tho much slower

2. 6970 competed against 480 and won over. 580 released a lot later so that is still just half a victory due to the delay. For half the time amd had won anyway before the 580 launched

3. Once 580 launched, for quite a while nvidia won, but after that 7970 was the winner for a good 3 months or so

6. 680 oc and 7970 oc are so close that nobody wins or loosely in absolute true sense, they are head on, like 570 and 6970 had 580 not been released ever for example sake

7 and ya, 260 competed with 4870 and amd didn't have anything for 280, by the time 5xxx was out only then was 285 released.

8 nvidia typically lasts 2 years, first 6 months first gen and next 18 months the refresh. But approx 2 years cycle. Amd lasts 15 months approx. so due to diff cycles you can't exactly compete all the time as diff winners at diff times.

9 loosing for 4 months and then winning for 6 months is actually just tieing and not really winning

 

[SirPauly]

Well binning a 700MHz chip to get a 1056MHz one is probably beyond NV's own capability.Look at 580,even the heavily binned chips could rarely get past 950 Mhz.Thers only so much u can get with binning.

Why would a smaller design and so power efficient be designed for 700mhz? But I guess nVidia is binning and binning -- tons and tons.

 

[Silverforce11]

Hahahaha wow, if this review ends up being the norm across most review sites, the gtx670 is $80 cheaper and equals a stock hd7970. It's been a slow roll out with 28nm, but between the gtx680 coming in faster and cheaper (and smaller and more efficient), the gtx690 all but guaranteeing Nvidia's high end crown, and now the slightly surprising high performance of the gtx670, Nvidia is taking AMD to school.

It'll just be a price reduction, not so bad since both are similar sized dies.

IF NV can produce enough cards, AMD will just price-cut. No big deal since it was way overpriced to start with.

7950 = $319
7970 = $399

Still above the usual "mid-range" where these GPUs belong.

 

[Jaydip]

40 NM != 28 NM.

Hello?

7900 series, 7800 series, GTX 680.

All with a bit of luck have INSANE oc potential.

Why is 740(Wasn't that the original spec?) to 1000 mhz "OMFG UNPOSSIBLE" - when namely any other 28nm card easily does +300 if not 400+mhz above it's reference spec?

28 NM won't make the binning process vastly superior to 40 NM.Actually due to inexperience with a new process node the binning can be much difficult.I didn't get ur last point.It will take too many iterations to get a chip with 50% more clock.

 

[SirPauly]

Because that's what leaks said over 6 months ago - right up until tahiti launched and Nvidia public said at trade shows "LULZ @ PERFORMANCE KEPLAH WILL WIN".


GK104 is the originally planned midrange chip - are you going to argue otherwise?

Oh, that's what I thought you would say! Maybe nVidia didn't desire to let the performance known and kept it very close.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

In games of that time 5850 was just a bit faster, like 5-10%. But 5850 was a performance card. Compare to 5870. Also, with newer games the difference became even more, also, 58xx Oced well, had dx11 supported tesselation and were like 75% of the price. And now see the 5870 to compete, it blew away even 250 sli or close to 260 sli and much faster than 285 even back then

 

[Jaydip]

Why would a smaller design and so power efficient be designed for 700mhz? But I guess nVidia is binning and binning -- tons and tons.

Agreed but i was actually answering to him.

 

[MisterMac]

28 NM won't make the binning process vastly superior to 40 NM.Actually due to inexperience with a new process node the binning can be much difficult.I didn't get ur last point.It will take too many iterations to get a chip with 50% more clock.

So you replied with complete nonsense and not at all to my argument.

Good job.


Fact is 28nm overclocks FAR MORE superior to 40nm cards.
Alot better than we've seen in a while.


Binning or not.


250/300 mhz bump to original clocks for a midrange chip, trying to bin only the most effective chips WHEN every single 28 nm released chip has proven has massive potential for higher clocks is then...extremely plausible.

Yet neither you nor SirPaul have done anything to state otherwise.
Just whine and not post anything factual to say otherwise.

 

[MisterMac]

Oh, that's what I thought you would say! Maybe nVidia didn't desire to let the performance known and kept it very close.

So wheres your argument?

You going to useless try strawman or cry about my wording of a theory?

More useless posting?

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Check these indexes, the enthu index. 5850 70+ while 285 didn't score 40 and was below 5770 as well.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...compare,2674.html?prod[4823]=on&prod[5254]=on
Enthusiast Index
Tom's Hardware Index
(Index of all "Enthusiast" Results)
Score in percentGo 70.76 38.97

Gamer Index
Tom's Hardware Index
(Index of all "Gamer" Results)
Score in percentGo 104.66 67.27

Index means average of all games and benches, not just one benchmark

 

[aaksheytalwar]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=317

In less intensive games the 5850 is just 10% Ish better but in crysis for example the difference is night and day. Basically for modern games 285 sli will be comparable to a single 5850 acc to toms, and 5870 will be even faster

Like, back then 5850 was 5-10% slower than 470 and 5870 was about 5% slower than 480, but in modern games, even a 460 may beat a 5850 with tesselation for example and similarly 480 is a lot better now.

Things change with time, only fundamental survive. Not everything can be benchmarked in the moment. 5830 pwns the 285 as of today, or even as of late 2010

 

[SirPauly]

So wheres your argument?

You going to useless try strawman or cry about my wording of a theory?

More useless posting?

I think the point is weak and already explained why.

 

[Arzachel]

Hahahaha wow, if this review ends up being the norm across most review sites, the gtx670 is $80 cheaper and equals a stock hd7970. It's been a slow roll out with 28nm, but between the gtx680 coming in faster and cheaper (and smaller and more efficient), the gtx690 all but guaranteeing Nvidia's high end crown, and now the slightly surprising high performance of the gtx670, Nvidia is taking AMD to school.

It also pulls more power than a 7970. In a apples to apples comparison with the 7950, stock for stock or both factory oc'ed, the gtx 670 probably looks much less stellar.

 

[Jaydip]

So you replied with complete nonsense and not at all to my argument.

Good job.


Fact is 28nm overclocks FAR MORE superior to 40nm cards.
Alot better than we've seen in a while.


Binning or not.


250/300 mhz bump to original clocks for a midrange chip, trying to bin only the most effective chips WHEN every single 28 nm released chip has proven has massive potential for higher clocks is then...extremely plausible.

Yet neither you nor SirPaul have done anything to state otherwise.
Just whine and not post anything factual to say otherwise.

Binning is not overclocking period.So according to u NV overclocked their card by 50% more to get a competing chip?U don't design a GPU that way sorry.The specs are confirmed way before the release date.

 

[SirPauly]

Fact is 28nm overclocks FAR MORE superior to 40nm cards.

Also 28nm clocks are higher than their 40nm counterparts but of course this doesn't matter based on GK-104 was designed for 700mhz.