First GI court-martialed in prison abuse.

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Passions

Read the first line tree hugger. "Iraqi military and civilian personnel." These quotes do not apply to US military, but to Iraqi military. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR EARTH TO MCFLY.

You can't be serious, can you? Please tell me you're kidding, and you're not so stubborn that you can't see the conundrum those statements create for the US.

 

[Shelly21]

The Army sure doesn't need to tank a second high-visibility court-martial this year after the Captain Yee fiasco.

What fiasco? I haven't heard anything ever since he was arrested.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Shelly21

The Army sure doesn't need to tank a second high-visibility court-martial this year after the Captain Yee fiasco.

What fiasco? I haven't heard anything ever since he was arrested.

He was cleared of treason charges, but guilty of improper handling of sensitive material (he had porn on his laptop, lol). Basically, the Govt FUBARed big time and he was innocent.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Shelly21

What fiasco? I haven't heard anything ever since he was arrested.

They ended up withdrawing all charges (under the auspice that it would compromise national security to air the evidence against him), and giving him an Article 15 (a nonjudicial punishment action - his actual punishment was nothing but an official reprimand) for adultery and having pornography on a government computer. It's anybody's guess why it would NOT compromise national security to return Captain Yee to duty if the Army really felt he were a spy, but that's what they did.

It certainly appears the Army overcharged him, realized they had major proof problems, then cut and ran. At a minimum this creates the appearance he was unfairly scrutinized as a Muslim chaplain, because the charges were substantially based on some highly sketchy evidence (not to mention that by the time he was actually charged, they had reduced the charge to mishandling classified documents, which, as it turned out, the government could not prove were ever in fact classified). I take issue with the Article 15, because it certainly looks to me as though they wanted to stick him with at least some punishment to save face. An Art 15 is typically career-killing for an officer.

The story was really not widely reported when charges were withdrawn - draw your own conclusions on that - but there is a good summary here.

 

[Shelly21]

Wow, so the story was hyped when he was arrested and then majority of people doesn't hear anything about the charges being dropped?

It's like that Chinese Spy Hung Wei Chi accused of stealing nuclear secrets.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Shelly21
Wow, so the story was hyped when he was arrested and then majority of people doesn't hear anything about the charges being dropped?

It's like that Chinese Spy Hung Wei Chi accused of stealing nuclear secrets.

Yup. Except his name was Wen Ho Lee. He was aquitted too. Except that was the FBI.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Gaard
And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully to this warning: In any conflict, your fate will depend on your actions. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people. Do not obey any command to use weapons of mass destruction against anyone, including the Iraqi people. War crimes will be prosecuted, war criminals will be punished and it will be no defense to say, "I was just following orders."

-George W. Bush, 3/19/2003



I expect them to be treated, the POWs, I expect to be treated humanely, just like we're treating the prisoners that we have captured humanely. If not, the people who mistreat the prisoners will be treated as war criminals.

-George W. Bush, 3/23/2003

Read the first line tree hugger. "Iraqi military and civilian personnel." These quotes do not apply to US military, but to Iraqi military. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR EARTH TO MCFLY.

Are you dense?

 

[Pepsei]

Yup. Except his name was Wen Ho Lee. He was aquitted too. Except that was the FBI.

I find it hard to believe that he would spied for China, It is more plausible that he spied for Taiwan and there's a coverup to avoid an international incident.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: UltraQuiet
The pictures were taken because one of the tactics interrogators use is to threaten to show these kinds of pictures to friends,family etc., the theory being that the prisoner would talk instead of being publicly humiliated.


I guess their bluff has been called.

A lot won't get that this is common tactics, especially as they were naked, however, a lot of posters do not understand the world of the common Muslim.

Not that i don't think the soldiers should not be punished, i do, but they acted upon orders, if they were ordered to take it that far, remains to be seen.

The officers in charge should be hung from the nearest tree though.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

The pictures were taken because one of the tactics interrogators use is to threaten to show these kinds of pictures to friends,family etc., the theory being that the prisoner would talk instead of being publicly humiliated.

Oooooh the military genius speaks! Thank you thank you for that but of wisdom. You must be verrrrrrry high up in the chain of command! :shocked:

To steal a favorite line from a favourite movie: respect for ones elders shows character, now, just because you are a character doesn't mean you HAVE character.

bonus points to anyone who can pinpoint the movie and the scene.

(the quote is not exact but close enough)

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Yup. Except his name was Wen Ho Lee. He was aquitted too. Except that was the FBI.

I find it hard to believe that he would spied for China, It is more plausible that he spied for Taiwan and there's a coverup to avoid an international incident.

He didn't spy, he had downloaded classified info on an unsecure computer. What the FBI failed to tell the public was that MANY scientists at Los Alamos did this regularly. They just singled out Wen Ho Lee to make him a poster boy chinese spy. But he was unfairly prosecuted. If you want to charge him for that, then charge all the other white scientists too.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: arsbanned

The pictures were taken because one of the tactics interrogators use is to threaten to show these kinds of pictures to friends,family etc., the theory being that the prisoner would talk instead of being publicly humiliated.

Oooooh the military genius speaks! Thank you thank you for that but of wisdom. You must be verrrrrrry high up in the chain of command! :shocked:

To steal a favorite line from a favourite movie: respect for ones elders shows character, now, just because you are a character doesn't mean you HAVE character.

bonus points to anyone who can pinpoint the movie and the scene.

(the quote is not exact but close enough)

I'm sure one or two sacrificial lambs will be slaughtered, a few hands will be publically slapped, and the big boys will all be well taken care of and laugh about it over a few beers. Take a look, sometime, at whate become of the few who were charged, and even convicted, in the Iran-Contra scandal. You don't need to look very far or long to find where their careers led.

cumhail

P.S. The quote is from Pulp Fiction, by the way, when Winston "the Wolf" Wolfe (Harvey Keitel) is getting ready to drive away after cleaning up Vincent and Jules' mess.

 

[piasabird]

I would rather see the courtmartial of the commanding General in charge of these people. Nothing like this kind of abuse is ever done without higher ups knowing about it. Commanders are suppose to know what is going on, and if they do not they are not real commanders.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: Czar
and related from fark http://www.kathryncramer.com/wblog/archives/000549.html

A week after a scandal broke involving photos of American troops torturing Iraqi prisoners, Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown, & Root is pulling the plug on private electronic communications with the folks back home, apparently at the request of the Department of Defence.

I'll let y'all know in a few days if this is true or not as I'm sending an e-mail to a former coworker (now an Army Reservist in MI) who is currently in Iraq.

Apparently they still have internet access. I just heard from my friend. Here's a sanitized text of his e-mail:

Good to hear from you. Yep. I'm here in the sandbox. Its pretty much like groundhog day over here and I'm just trying to keep my nose to the grindstone and hope time passes quickly. Its just starting to get hot and the sand fleas, mosquitos, and flies are coming out to party. I pretty much spend most of my time working, but overall, it could be a lot worse here. If you get bored, I have a few pictures up at [removed to protect privacy]. I'm going to try to get better ones up eventually. Other than that, just trying to put up with the stupidity that is army life. You know how it is. Take care.

 

[Zebo]

NOT GUILTY and not "just a few apples" as GWB has said.

http://newyorker.com/printable/?fact/040524fa_fact