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Xavier434

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

To run the most powerful country on Earth? I dunno.. just one reason I came up with there are probably others.

Am I the only one who is confused when people talk about how the president "runs the country?"

If the president runs the country, why have a legislative branch?

It's not confusing. People just use the word "runs" instead of the word "heads" just like they often do when talking about how a CEO "runs the company" when the truth is that they really just head it.

Stop trying to make a bigger conflict out of what it actually is. There are better reasons on this forum to pick fights.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

To run the most powerful country on Earth? I dunno.. just one reason I came up with there are probably others.

Am I the only one who is confused when people talk about how the president "runs the country?"

If the president runs the country, why have a legislative branch?

It's not confusing. People just use the word "runs" instead of the word "heads" just like they often do when talking about how a CEO "runs the company" when the truth is that they really just head it.

Stop trying to make a bigger conflict out of what it actually is. There are better reasons on this forum to pick fights.

I DON'T LIKE YOUR HAIR!!!!
 

fleshconsumed

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Feb 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

Huh... during a time of rising unemployment, our president has created 1,700 jobs... What a bastard.

These people were employed before hand. You think these people were at the homeless shelter or something?

You can't see more than one step ahead of you, can you? Assuming all 1700 people had jobs before, this means a bunch of companies now have to replace 1700 workers. So yes, those are 1700 jobs created.

You would have had a better chance arguing that these 1700 new jobs might not contribute as much to the economy because they are government jobs and are paid with tax money.
 

Farang

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Jul 7, 2003
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

To run the most powerful country on Earth? I dunno.. just one reason I came up with there are probably others.

Am I the only one who is confused when people talk about how the president "runs the country?"

If the president runs the country, why have a legislative branch?

The executive branch executes legislation from Congress. In other words, it is responsible for running the programs and actions legislated by Congress and signed into law by the President. Therefore, in general terms the President "runs" the government.
 
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Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

Huh... during a time of rising unemployment, our president has created 1,700 jobs... What a bastard.

These people were employed before hand. You think these people were at the homeless shelter or something?

You can't see more than one step ahead of you, can you? Assuming all 1700 people had jobs before, this means a bunch of companies now have to replace 1700 workers. So yes, those are 1700 jobs created.

You would have had a better chance arguing that these 1700 new jobs might not contribute as much to the economy because they are government jobs and are paid with tax money.
Umm, I don't believe you are thinking this through. Those on Bush's staff no longer have jobs. In eessnce this is pretty much a wash, a swapout, unless Obama's WH staff has more employees than Bush.
 

JSt0rm

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Sep 5, 2000
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a couple of you republicans are retarded lol. It's time to stfu and learn how it should really be done.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

The Exectuive branch is HUGE in scope.
 

Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

To run the most powerful country on Earth? I dunno.. just one reason I came up with there are probably others.

Am I the only one who is confused when people talk about how the president "runs the country?"

If the president runs the country, why have a legislative branch?

The President is responsible for enforcing the legislation, and can and has interpurted legislation differently than Congress.
 

JEDIYoda

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Jul 13, 2005
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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

What were their wages before the freeze? Above market? If so, the freeze is just useless political garbage.

Yeah...because saving some money is worse than saving none at all.

I swear it is people like you who at times make me ashamed to be a Republican.

wtf? what if the wages were already reflective of a premium and he had no intention of giving raises anyway? Then what does this executive order mean? absolutely nothing.

I'm not saying that's the case, but it's a possibility, especially because he has no reason to piss off his staff that fucking got him elected.

when have you ever had anything good to say about obama??

 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

I don't know how you could be stupid enough to see either of these things as a negative.

Sure it's nice, but it's minuscule. His senior staff already have a nice salary and what about the rest of the government behemoth? It?s going to expand by BILLIONS.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Show me one post where you made the same criticism against Bush doing in for 8 years.
 

BigJelly

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Watching live now will post link when I find it (or if anyone else gets it first.

GOOD ON HIM! This is great first step. Im encouraged by continual use of transperancy in his speeches.

In other news there has been a spike in the sale of envelopes and an increase in the demand for hard currency in the DC area.

is he going to give up his house that Resko built[helped paid for] too?
 

JS80

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Oct 24, 2005
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay for legislation coming from the executive branch with no oversight!

Heh this is his staff, he sets the wages for these people.

Now while this sounds promising it is more symbolic than anything. These are new staff anyways. I would have been more impressed if he didnt hire what, 1700 staff members? Why the hell does the president of the united states need 1700 staff members?

What were their wages before the freeze? Above market? If so, the freeze is just useless political garbage.

Yeah...because saving some money is worse than saving none at all.

I swear it is people like you who at times make me ashamed to be a Republican.

wtf? what if the wages were already reflective of a premium and he had no intention of giving raises anyway? Then what does this executive order mean? absolutely nothing.

I'm not saying that's the case, but it's a possibility, especially because he has no reason to piss off his staff that fucking got him elected.

when have you ever had anything good to say about obama??

Tell me one issue I should agree with him on.
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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Originally posted by: WackyDan
"Families are tightening their belts, and so should Washington," said the new president

Then he should apply that same principle to federal spending. His comment is somewhat counter to what he already promising to do in increasing spending and social programs.

The lobbiest changes/rules are great... but please get the house and senate to abide by the same rules.

You're confusing spending *to benefit the public* with spending at the expense of the public; spending that's targetted to help the economy, and spending that hurts it.

Those who call for low pay for these people are penny wise and pound foolish. Anyone who can serve in a senior White House position is able to make a lot more money in the private sector; the harder you squeeze, the more you guarantee that they have ulterior motives for being there, why they walk away from the better compensation.

Sometimes, it's like Robert McNamara, who gave up a wealthy career as the new President of Ford to do public service, but it increases the chances for people with worse agendas.

Those agendas are typically going to be to use the power of the position to serve some interest, to build their marketability in the private sector.

Consider as an example the Congressman who led the Medicare drug bill passage that gave $150 billion extra to drug companies - then immediately resigned and joined them.

Pay them a fair wage, and the public will gretly benefit from those tiny dollars out of the trillions they influence.
 

Craig234

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Since the AP reported screwed up the history on the FOIA (I wrote them a note):

The FOIA was passed (reluctantly) under President Johnson. President George W. Bush for the first time I'm aware set the policy to be for government agencies to release as little information as possible, only where legally compelled, and guaranteed them the support of the government's legal system for any withholding as much as possible.

This reversed the previous policy to release all information where there was not a clear reason not to do so.

Obama has - and thank goodness, as the FOIA is a key tool for the public monitoring the government - reversed the Bush policy, restoring the policy to release more information.
 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Since the AP reported screwed up the history on the FOIA (I wrote them a note):

The FOIA was passed (reluctantly) under President Johnson. President George W. Bush for the first time I'm aware set the policy to be for government agencies to release as little information as possible, only where legally compelled, and guaranteed them the support of the government's legal system for any withholding as much as possible.

This reversed the previous policy to release all information where there was not a clear reason not to do so.

Obama has - and thank goodness, as the FOIA is a key tool for the public monitoring the government - reversed the Bush policy, restoring the policy to release more information.

Smug.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: Craig234
Since the AP reported screwed up the history on the FOIA (I wrote them a note):

The FOIA was passed (reluctantly) under President Johnson. President George W. Bush for the first time I'm aware set the policy to be for government agencies to release as little information as possible, only where legally compelled, and guaranteed them the support of the government's legal system for any withholding as much as possible.

This reversed the previous policy to release all information where there was not a clear reason not to do so.

Obama has - and thank goodness, as the FOIA is a key tool for the public monitoring the government - reversed the Bush policy, restoring the policy to release more information.

Smug.

:confused:
 

jpeyton

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The next eight years will be epic.

All the righties were hoping for a role reversal. In the back of their mind, they wanted Obama to be a Democratic version of Bush...a failure so complete that the media and all the citizenry would mock his every move.

Unfortunately [for them], it looks like Obama will be the gilded President. Everything he touches will turn to gold. Look for near universal appraise on the actions during his first 100 days from both the media and the voters. And all the righty nut jobs will get further and further marginalized with each passing day from now until 2016.

Enjoy the ride :laugh:
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The next eight years will be epic.

All the righties were hoping for a role reversal. In the back of their mind, they wanted Obama to be a Democratic version of Bush...a failure so complete that the media and all the citizenry would mock his every move.

Unfortunately [for them], it looks like Obama will be the gilded President. Everything he touches will turn to gold. Look for near universal appraise on the actions during his first 100 days from both the media and the voters. And all the righty nut jobs will get further and further marginalized with each passing day from now until 2016.

Enjoy the ride :laugh:
I'm glad you waited one whole day to delcare him Midas :laugh: I hope you keep up your knob-slobbing comedy nonetheless!

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: Craig234
Since the AP reported screwed up the history on the FOIA (I wrote them a note):

The FOIA was passed (reluctantly) under President Johnson. President George W. Bush for the first time I'm aware set the policy to be for government agencies to release as little information as possible, only where legally compelled, and guaranteed them the support of the government's legal system for any withholding as much as possible.

This reversed the previous policy to release all information where there was not a clear reason not to do so.

Obama has - and thank goodness, as the FOIA is a key tool for the public monitoring the government - reversed the Bush policy, restoring the policy to release more information.

Smug.

If you say so. An odd response, but better than it could be.
 

DealMonkey

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I wonder if increasing gov't cooperation with the FOIA will have the unintended (?) effect of making it easier to investigate the wrong-doings of the Bush Administration?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I wonder if increasing gov't cooperation with the FOIA will have the unintended (?) effect of making it easier to investigate the wrong-doings of the Bush Administration?

Yes, it will. Now, I want to see Obama release Bush 41's papers that 43 blocked.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The next eight years will be epic.

All the righties were hoping for a role reversal. In the back of their mind, they wanted Obama to be a Democratic version of Bush...a failure so complete that the media and all the citizenry would mock his every move.

Unfortunately [for them], it looks like Obama will be the gilded President. Everything he touches will turn to gold. Look for near universal appraise on the actions during his first 100 days from both the media and the voters. And all the righty nut jobs will get further and further marginalized with each passing day from now until 2016.

Enjoy the ride :laugh:

And leftists here whine when I or others use the phrase obamessiah or the like.... I'll have to bookmark this thread for next time I hear that whine...
 

alchemize

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Mar 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The next eight years will be epic.

All the righties were hoping for a role reversal. In the back of their mind, they wanted Obama to be a Democratic version of Bush...a failure so complete that the media and all the citizenry would mock his every move.

Unfortunately [for them], it looks like Obama will be the gilded President. Everything he touches will turn to gold. Look for near universal appraise on the actions during his first 100 days from both the media and the voters. And all the righty nut jobs will get further and further marginalized with each passing day from now until 2016.

Enjoy the ride :laugh:

And leftists here whine when I or others use the phrase obamessiah or the like.... I'll have to bookmark this thread next time I hear that whine...
Fricken sig-worthy if you ask me!

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