First Ever Performance-Oriented Build -- Gaming HTPC

ratzofftoya

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Hi all,

I'm putting together a Prodigy Bitfenix build, and the parts are on their way! Specs below...This will be something of a "Steambox" build, plus multimedia. This is my first "serious" investment build, the rest have mainly been to just keep up with the times, always kinda slip-shod jobs that had problems from the get-go. This time, I'm taking my time.

The idea is that this will sit in the living room next to my desk, but also be connected through the receiver/50" 1080p TV. In that sense, it'll be a gaming/office work/HTPC hybrid. As far as the TV part goes, I plan on using Steam's Big Picture for games (action, RPG, strategy, no hardcore competitive FPS), but also for media and just playing music during parties. At my desk, I'll be using a 22" monitor for games and regular office work, plus some music production/editing. Eventually, I'll be scaling my TV and monitor up to something that can handle higher resolutions, but for now they're both max 1080p. But future-proofing is definitely a desire. I'll be doing some of my gaming from a couch, hence the wireless kb/mouse.

This thing needs to have fairly low noise/heat levels, since it's in the living room. Also needs to look reasonably attractive. Planning on putting some white vinyl on the black faceplate of my optical to stick with the white look...Got a cool Banksy stencil to put on the side...The works.

I do have a couple questions given that this is my first build, and I'd love your input!

Questions
1.)Given my needs (living room, low noise, gaming, HTPC), do any parts jump out at you as wrong or ill-advised? Will this thing be really loud?

1.5)For those familiar with the case, how do those fans and that fan placement sound, both in terms of cooling and noise?

2.)Also given the noise and heat preferences, what speeds should I be overclocking the CPU and GPU? Should I OC the RAM, too?

2.5)Ummm...How do I OC? Assume I have basic familiarity with the BIOS. Is it just about upping the voltage?

3.)I am using the 750AX PSU from my last build, but am not 100% sure I'll be able to cram it into the bracket. Do you recommend I forego the PSU altogether in favor of something that will give me big gains in the noise/heat department without sacrificing performance?

4.)Wil I have a very hard time with the Logitech MX5500? I was hoping for a wireless solution and thought Bluetooth would be preferable since I've also got my wireless router, xbox/ps3 controllers, and (see below) a potential wireless headset hogging up the RF signals. Should I go for RF, or even figure out some way to use wired, instead? (Any suggestions?) I've always liked the look of the Razer stuff.

5.) I'd like to get a wireless headset, but I want to be able to use it with at least the xbox and PC, if not the PS3 as well. If it could plug into each device and the receiver (1/4" or 3.5mm) too, that'd be great. If it only does receiver/PC or Xbox 360/PC, that works.

6.) I'm no handyman (don't even own a Dremel) but I am excited by the prospect of case modding, especially since this case starts off looking so cool. Adding a window and perhaps even a full WC loop are of interest. How did the case modders among you get started and are there great primers out there?
Whew. I am stoked! Thanks for all the help.

Components:
CPU: Core i5-3570K 3.4 Ghz
Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe
Graphics: Gigabyte GTX 670 2 GB
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600
System Drive: Kingston HyperX 3K 240GB SATA III SSD
Data Drive: Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s HDD
PSU: Corsair 750AX
Optical: LITE-ON 12X BD-R
Case: BitFenix Prodigy Arctic White


Cooling:
Corsair H80 with Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850 Fan (Mounted as Rear Exhaust)
BitFenix Spectre Pro 200mm White LED Case Fan (Front Intake)
Xigmatek Crystal Series 120mm White LED Case Fan (Top Intake)


Input:
Logitech MX5500 Revolution BT Mouse/Keyboard
Xbox 360 Wireless Controller
 

dmoney1980

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CPU-good

Mobo- good, but you can save a little cash by getting the ASrock z77 miniITX

RAM- any reason for 16GB? You can get by with 8GB, and this kit is low profile so it won't intefere with your CPU cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147096

System drive- the hyper-x is good, but for the money you may be better off with a Samsung 830 or Crucial m4.

Data drive- ok

PSU- not sure if it will fit in the case. you can look at the dimensions on newegg's site and cross reference with BitFenix's site.

Graphics - not 100% sure what's the best bang for your buck card out there, but I can suggest that you look at the Radeon 7950 card. They offer more vRAM (3gb vs 2GB on the 670) which may help out in the future if you decide to go above 1080p. Then again, future proof GPU's don't exist, so people might tell you to save the money and get something like a 7850 right now, then upgrade your GPU in the future when/if you upgrade your monitor.

edit -looks like you should not have an issue with clearance using tower heatsinks (http://legacy.tonymacx86.com/viewtopic.php?f=277&t=54939). In that case, I would recommend picking up either a hyper 212+ and using 2 fans on it (the scythe I linked below) or a Scythe Mugen cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185175
You will end up with a quieter solution for a lot less than the H80, even if you decide to overclock.

Good CPU heatsink fan- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ab=true&Page=2
 
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ratzofftoya

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RAM- any reason for 16GB? You can get by with 8GB, and this kit is low profile so it won't intefere with your CPU cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147096

I will be doing a bit of music production, so I figured it may be helpful.

edit -looks like you should not have an issue with clearance using tower heatsinks ( http://legacy.tonymacx86.com/viewtopic.php?f=277&t=54939). In that case, I would recommend picking up either a hyper 212+ and using 2 fans on it (the scythe I linked below) or a Scythe Mugen cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185175
You will end up with a quieter solution for a lot less than the H80, even if you decide to overclock.
Will the H80 still present noise issues if I use a Scythe Gentle Typhoon rather than the stock fan? The reason for using it is that I plan on doing a water solution in the future and I have never done that before so I would like to get my feet "wet." Pardon the pun.

Thanks for the helpful tips!
 

dmoney1980

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For RAM- I would recommend a low profile kit so you have additional clearance. Those hedgehog heatsinks don't do anything (ex: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233280) but that's up to you, you do pay a premium for them


the H80 is an all in one closed loop water cooler, not a "true" watercooling solution. I don't have personal experience with the Scythe Gentle Typhoons, but I know that they have a great reputation. Which model typhoons are you looking to get? There are various speed models out there. Remember, if you go for the H80, that's $100 for the cooler, plus $15 to $20 for each fan. Performance wise you will not notice a difference in cooling / noise unless you decide to overclock your CPU as far as it can go. For about $60 you can get a good heatsink with the 2 fans I linked earlier and get similar cooling and noise performance at stock or even a mild OC (up to 4.4 ghz)
 
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mfenn

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I'm putting together a Prodigy Bitfenix build, and the parts are on their way!

First rule of ATGH: Fill out the sticky.
Second rule of ATGH: Ask before you buy.

As for the second rule, the statement above indicates that you have already purchased the parts listed below, but your question #1 indicates that there is still some flexibility. Which is it?

EDIT: Don't worry that you didn't know the rules, everyone is new at some point.
 

ratzofftoya

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First rule of ATGH: Fill out the sticky.
Second rule of ATGH: Ask before you buy.

As for the second rule, the statement above indicates that you have already purchased the parts listed below, but your question #1 indicates that there is still some flexibility. Which is it?

EDIT: Don't worry that you didn't know the rules, everyone is new at some point.

Oy vey! Sorry about that! :oops: But thanks for being helpful. In theory, I definitely still have flexibility and would love input.
 

mfenn

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Components:
CPU: Core i5-3570K 3.4 Ghz
Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe
Graphics: Gigabyte GTX 670 2 GB
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600
System Drive: Kingston HyperX 3K 240GB SATA III SSD
Data Drive: Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s HDD
PSU: Corsair 750AX
Optical: LITE-ON 12X BD-R
Case: BitFenix Prodigy Arctic White


Cooling:
Corsair H80 with Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850 Fan (Mounted as Rear Exhaust)
BitFenix Spectre Pro 200mm White LED Case Fan (Front Intake)
Xigmatek Crystal Series 120mm White LED Case Fan (Top Intake)


Input:
Logitech MX5500 Revolution BT Mouse/Keyboard
Xbox 360 Wireless Controller

My comments:
- CPU: Good
- Mobo: As dmoney pointed out, you can save about $45 by getting the ASRock Z77E-ITX instead.
- GPU: Good, especially the Gigabyte one
- RAM: Unless you know for a fact that you need 16GB, 8GB is very likely plenty.
- SSD : OK depending on the price you're seeing. I certainly wouldn't spend more than $200 on it when you can get a Samsung 830 256GB for that amount. (side note: prices are always helpful, a part can be good or bad for your build entirely depending on price)
- HDD : OK, but probably overpriced. The ST2000DM0001 is where you want to be.
- PSU: You might as well try it since you have it on hand, but be prepared to buy a shorter unit.
- ODD : Fine if you need Blu-Ray
- Case: Good
- Cooling: The H80 is OK since you have a small case like the Prodigy, but I would stick with all stock fans until you see how you like them.
 

ratzofftoya

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My comments:
- CPU: Good
- Mobo: As dmoney pointed out, you can save about $45 by getting the ASRock Z77E-ITX instead.
- GPU: Good, especially the Gigabyte one
- RAM: Unless you know for a fact that you need 16GB, 8GB is very likely plenty.
- SSD : OK depending on the price you're seeing. I certainly wouldn't spend more than $200 on it when you can get a Samsung 830 256GB for that amount. (side note: prices are always helpful, a part can be good or bad for your build entirely depending on price)
- HDD : OK, but probably overpriced. The ST2000DM0001 is where you want to be.
- PSU: You might as well try it since you have it on hand, but be prepared to buy a shorter unit.
- ODD : Fine if you need Blu-Ray
- Case: Good
- Cooling: The H80 is OK since you have a small case like the Prodigy, but I would stick with all stock fans until you see how you like them.

Great, thanks. Do you know what sort of fan/rad configuration people are typically using with these parts? I'm new to closed (or any, really) water cooling loops and radiator-fan interaction. My initial thought was to have the 200m Spectre pro on the front, a 120m top intake, and a rear exhaust setup that looks like:

[Exhaust Port] --> [Exhaust Fan (Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850 Fan or stock)] --> [Radiator]

But I've seen some people swear by putting an intake on that grating, followed by the radiator, and then another fan in exhaust. I've gathered that this is called a "push/pull" configuration. Intuitively, it makes sense, since you're blowing cooler air over the radiator. But is it necessary? Do I need to blow air over the rad or just blow its hot air out?
 

mfenn

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A push-pull setup does give you more airflow over the radiator because you have two fans working together to move air. The H80 actually comes stock with a push-pull configuration and Corsair recommends that you let the fans pull air from outside the case.

The H60 recommended configuration is the way you're planning to do it, which I think is fine for your case. So I change my recommendation to getting the H60 and saving some money.
 

dadarkchild

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I just finished a build with an H80. I run it on high, and it's kinda noisy. At low/medium it's pretty quiet. It doesn't bother me when watching tv or gaming b/c my surround sound system is overpowering, but when i'm browsing, it is definitely noticeable. I have the 4gb version of the 670, and I'm very happy with the card. For your purposes, I think you will be very happy. I have the same mobo, and again, I couldn't be happier. The auto overclocking and monitoring software that come with it are awesome. Being able to use a mouse with the bios is awesome as well. I think you'll be really happy.