First dual-core PC's to ship on Monday, Intel says
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And Intel lands a stunningblow to the morons of AMD......
So basically they may even beat the opterons to the market...total fools at AMD......
Unfortunatley it is the EE or extremely expensive version which I would never want even if I had the cash.....BUt all in all it is the victories Intel loves so much, and AMD so graciously loves to give them....
I really would like to see some get out there so we can get a good idea on the cooling needs, the overclocking ability, and the power needs....
So basically they may even beat the opterons to the market...total fools at AMD......
Unfortunatley it is the EE or extremely expensive version which I would never want even if I had the cash.....BUt all in all it is the victories Intel loves so much, and AMD so graciously loves to give them....
I really would like to see some get out there so we can get a good idea on the cooling needs, the overclocking ability, and the power needs....
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As long as there is adequate cooling, I only see the Smithfield "D" or "EE" reaching whatever a single Prescott was reaching. 3.8GHz at best. My guess anyways.
The 65nm Presler, banning any serious manufacturing complications or process anomalies, may see very high clocks. Is Intel going to use SOI for the 65nm process?
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No from what I understand, Intel has their own forms of Straining silicon transisters that are wholly differnt from IBM's SOI/SSDOI/DSL designs.
More than anything Intel finally got the proper tools to make a smaller CPU (which they didnt have for Prescott).
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More than anything Intel did it right. Sure the physical design blows, but unless you have the software to back up the good hardware the result is the same.
Intel's design sucks but atleast they understand their market. A quad threaded single desktop CPU or a 8 threaded Xeon DEFINATLY going to make alot of buisnesses VERY happy.
If you're gonna make a dually....might as well go all the way. Clearly AMD has missed the boat, not from a physical design but from a PR standpoint.
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No dude, Intel has gotten dual-core CPU's to the desktop (us) first. "Us" is where the gravy is. Intel is a no stupido. Dell, is where the gravy is. Any vendor selling intel based PC's to the masses is where the gravy is. AMD has had dual-core readiness since the 939 chip came out? Isn't that what they said they designed right into the chips? Well, where are they? Duvie is right. AMD exec's are a bunch of dumbasses. Someone needs to slap them silly. They make great CPU's but they are almost too stupid to be allowed to be a company.
Well, being that AMD stated that product shipment of dual core processors began 2 months ago, I am not sure how Intel beat. HP had 3 DC servers for order up on their website a week before the official launch.
Also, how many of you would go out and buy a $1000 DC processor if AMD released one like Intel is with the EE? It is not like Intel is releasing a desktop chip that many of us could afford or one that will be available to resellers. This chip will be sent to OEMs most likely with a limited production capability for the next few weeks.
Now, when AMD does release their DC chip, I for one and happy to know that I can just drop it in my current mainboard and be done with it. How many Intel owners have just spent money on a DDR2 platform only to have the board become obsolete within a matter of months?
Also, how many of you would go out and buy a $1000 DC processor if AMD released one like Intel is with the EE? It is not like Intel is releasing a desktop chip that many of us could afford or one that will be available to resellers. This chip will be sent to OEMs most likely with a limited production capability for the next few weeks.
Now, when AMD does release their DC chip, I for one and happy to know that I can just drop it in my current mainboard and be done with it. How many Intel owners have just spent money on a DDR2 platform only to have the board become obsolete within a matter of months?
Yeah and I am getting tired of that "shipping"...kinda like "check is in the mail"....The fact is the opterons cannot and will not be in front of ppl before Intels dual core will be...Intel will reap the benefits of looking like the uinnovattor who brought this technology...
ONce again...i will repeat...for a company that said the opteron was designed with dual core in mind it is unfathomable that they would allow INtel to ride in and capture th glory. regardless of whos technology is superior the fact is who is first.
I agree AMD did it better in terms of making upgradeability simple, but on the other hand such ease of solution is another reason this should not have happened...i would have got this to first no matter what, and not let a company who has had pisspoor results in the past year or so steal the glory when their intent wasn't to come with dual core for quite sometime. it was only the failure of prescott and cancelling of Tejas they decided to go this route this early....
Its been a month at least since they were starting to be "shipped". Vendors are (im guessing) being told to wait for the date that AMD indecates.
You have to give them (vendors) time to test (alot of thats done before they get sent out too) etc.
Yeah, SOI is being used for 65nm, it has much less current leakage than the prescott, so it should run much cooler at the same clock speeds, and be able to reach higher ones.
The EE 840 will run up to 3.6 (as fast as the current 6xx series) on stock cooling. Even Dell will enable this feature in Bios. You will be able to set processor speed at 3.2, 3.4 or 3.6. Given that, it doesn't really matter how hot it runs if the cooling it has is sufficient.
Big business is where AMD is going. Dual core is going to sell like gangbusters in the business market. I would like to compare the X2 2400 (4800+ rating) dualcore AMD coming in June with the Intel Prescott 3200 dualcore. Does anyone believe that the 3200 Prescott single core compares to the FX-53/4000+? Not even close. With the AMD64's being designed for dualcore. I imagine their performance will scale better than Intel.
Digitimes has an article stating that Intel won't release 64bit cpus until Q2 2006 for notebooks. With the 1.6 Turion with 1meg L2 cache using only 25watts, Intel better hope Intel continues to have the marketing strategy of Randy Quaid flying into the mothership!
I think I will wait and see how many of these dualcore's AMD and Intel actually have in the channel before pronouncing doom.
Digitimes has an article stating that Intel won't release 64bit cpus until Q2 2006 for notebooks. With the 1.6 Turion with 1meg L2 cache using only 25watts, Intel better hope Intel continues to have the marketing strategy of Randy Quaid flying into the mothership!
I think I will wait and see how many of these dualcore's AMD and Intel actually have in the channel before pronouncing doom.
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It's not about cost or platform compatability or production capability or any other type of semantical equation you throw in there. It's all about who's first. AMD touted 64 bit processors and about being what? First... AMD chose to be first for the high end server market. Intel chose to be first where the cash cow is. So who made the right decision? Intel need not worry about high end markets because their Itanium2 is making a killing.
They shipped over 100,000 itanium equipped servers in 2004 according to reports I have read. I am sure AMD sold their fare share of Opterons as well. I'm not saying I know it all folks, but I'm not completely blind either.
Other companies had 64 bit processors and dual core processors before either AMD or Intel.
First has nothing to do with being successful in the computer industry. It's marketing and competition. If anything, it's better not to be first.
Intel is coming out with an expensive high end dual core which is not going to be dual core for the masses any more than dual core Opterons are going to be dual core for the masses.
Well, if that's the case then you are going to tell me that x86-64 swayed soooo many people when Athlon64 came out? No, no OS or application support. Now we have Dual Core which might have OS support for those users (small percentage) who have XP Pro or better, and no real application support.
I am happier to see AMD selling DC to the market than can get the most use out of it first, Servers. If they can get more marketshare in the business world and better recognition for their parts, than it can open the door for the same businesses to purchase AMD based desktops.
Lets see how long it takes for Intel to compete in the Server market, and when AMD does release Athlon-64 X2, it will blow away the kludge of a product that the P4-D and new EE processors are.
I am happier to see AMD selling DC to the market than can get the most use out of it first, Servers. If they can get more marketshare in the business world and better recognition for their parts, than it can open the door for the same businesses to purchase AMD based desktops.
Lets see how long it takes for Intel to compete in the Server market, and when AMD does release Athlon-64 X2, it will blow away the kludge of a product that the P4-D and new EE processors are.
Who in the hell said that Intel would outsource their fab production to IBM for SOI? Smells like bullshit to me. IBM doesnt have enough capacity to fund Intel and AMD both. Not only that but IBM is ceasing SOI die processing and is moving to SSDOI and DSL.
Ill only belive something that fanciful if you had a link (no offense). From what I know, intel just learned to tweek capiciters using a new process. Its NOT soi based.
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If anything, It's better not to be first, unless your Intel. Pentium D which is a Smithfield w/o HT will be for the masses. Intel will price this very aggressively according to H.
Rumor has it the Pentium D at 2.8 Ghz will debut at 241.00. If this is the case, just watch those suckers move. And do not play the reduced core speed card because as far as I can tell, this forum is all about buying cheaper lower clocked processors and o/cing them.
AMD users are the kings when it comes to doing this. But ya know, AMD chips arent all that cheap anymore. Sure, the XP's are, but A64's and FX's are pretty much up there with Intel's pricing, save the P4EE craziness.
My friend just handed me 475.00 and said, "Please build me the best PC you can for this much money. Just the tower no monitor, keyboard or mouse." So I got the AMD Sempron 2800+ and an ASUS KT400 mobo, RAM, HDD, DVD burner, floppy, case, PSU. I feel dirty. J/K. I could have gone Celery, but the Sempron packs more punch clock for clock and dollar for dollar. So, I do have a use for AMD. I am glad they are around.
Wow, for $475 he could have had an Sempron 2800 (A64 Core), ECS Nforce-4, 1GB PC3200, 80GB SATA, DL-DVD/RW, Nvidia 6600 PCIe
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How can you know this? You know how a new process will behave months before it is even released? A smaller process tends to introduce more leakage issues not less. The older .13 Intel chips run cooler and actually faster clock for clock.
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Because the process is already running, and should be ramping up around June..the problem with prescott is they did the process shrink, without making any improvements to help control the leakage, with 65nm they made the correction they should have done with prescott..SOI...
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Well, I only spent 402.00 of his 475.00. He was with me when we bought the parts so he was happy to save money. And why on earth would you even consider buying an ECS motherboard for a FRIEND? I got him an ASUS bro. Nuff said. Friends don't let friends use cheap arse mobo's. He used the remaining 73.00 to buy an AGP FX5200 128MB 128 bit card and a SB Live Value. He's not a big gamer, but he does want to use 2 monitors. So the FX was fine.
I think I did rather well with the money he had to spend. 64 bit processor not needed so why spend the extra cash? hehehe... ECS....
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