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First bombs, now sniper rifles: the ties between Iran and Iraq are getting stronger

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So the Iranians are arming folks who are attacking US troops. I doubt the Iranians would be arming the Sunnis but rather the Shia. So...this would mean that.. the Shia....are attacking US troops. So....that would mean our troops are being attacked by the folks who are in power...the ones who's government we are currently propping up, and arming. Makes you wonder about the use of those weapons we're providing to the Iraqi govt troops. And we are being attacked by the Sunnis who want to bring that government down. Hmmm. Sounds like our troops are in the sweet spot now.

So, do you support our troops or do you support our "stay-the-course" President? You can't do both or your head will asplode, if it hasn't done so already.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: ironwing
So the Iranians are arming folks who are attacking US troops.
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Arming... training, financing, and planning attacks.

you forgot a few "ings"...
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prove it.

go on you can do it. Give us something valuable. Put it on the table for all the see.

yep.
 
Ah, bring our people home from that madhouse, those dirtbags don't even care that we're helping them anyway. Let them have their civil war, let Iran push Iraq around, it doesn't matter, I just don't want our people dying over there for nothing anymore.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: ironwing
So the Iranians are arming folks who are attacking US troops.
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Arming... training, financing, and planning attacks.

you forgot a few "ings"...
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You're getting out in front of your shepard.

The point remains that, if the Bushies are to be believed (a stupid idea I know), then Iraqi Shia are attacking our troops. I wonder if we'll see a press conference with admin flunkies holding up M-16s and stating that American troops are being killed with weapons supplied by the US? Will we bomb ourselves or send an aircraft carrier up the Potomac?
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: ironwing
So the Iranians are arming folks who are attacking US troops.
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Arming... training, financing, and planning attacks.

you forgot a few "ings"...
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Lying, propagandizing, falsifying, redacting, bribing.


There's a few more "ings" for you.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Where's the proof these rifles ever made it to Iran in the first place?

What a load of C R A P !!
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Iran copied the sniper rifle in 2005. It has since given the rifle away to numerous countries. Including Syria and Lebanon.

"Austrian sniper rifles"

Apparently the newspaper that reported it lacks information on Iranian arms.

I posted pictures in a previous thread showing the Iranian clones of this rifle. They look 100% identical. The weapon was given to numerous countries and has been displayed in Iranian arm exhibitions with generals of numerous nations attending.

The pictures and article I have date back to 2005. So I have no idea how the hell they got that 45 day number. They pulled it out of their ass.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Maybe you should brush up on current events. We have bases all over the world. We're hardly threatening anybody with them. I dont think Swizterland is too worried about our bases in Germany......
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When was the last time we called them part of the Evil Axis?
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uhh, when was the last time they WERE a part of the Axis of Evil? If Switzerland decided to throw their hat in with Iran and North Korea, or otherwise took actions threatening American soldiers or interests, you're damn right we would start threatening them!
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Axis of Evil? Are we in church again? NO... we are not. Do us a favor and put down the bible and speak english that we can all understand. Coming up with terms that somehow we are not evil, and they are is a lack of intelligence. Just using those terms with a country that 95% don't believe in our religion I'm sure wants to make em go out and fight. Way to go! Bring em on..... Yeah, another bush slang. I guess I am just amazed every time the guy speaks and even sicker when other people start imitating a moron.
 
Originally posted by: toolboxolio
If Canada was invaded by the Chinese, we would most certainly be acting like Iran.
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for the 1,000th time: the action being predictable does not make it right.

Why is it that those using that analogy, or similar, seem to be excusing Iran for their actions, or somehow saying it's "ok" for them to involve themselves in Iraq? It's almost as though they support Iran's actions!

At least, that's how they come across...

is it just me?
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: toolboxolio
If Canada was invaded by the Chinese, we would most certainly be acting like Iran.
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for the 1,000th time: the action being predictable does not make it right.

Why is it that those using that analogy, or similar, seem to be excusing Iran for their actions, or somehow saying it's "ok" for them to involve themselves in Iraq? It's almost as though they support Iran's actions!

At least, that's how they come across...

is it just me?
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Yes.
 
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Maybe you should brush up on current events. We have bases all over the world. We're hardly threatening anybody with them. I dont think Swizterland is too worried about our bases in Germany......
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When was the last time we called them part of the Evil Axis?
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uhh, when was the last time they WERE a part of the Axis of Evil? If Switzerland decided to throw their hat in with Iran and North Korea, or otherwise took actions threatening American soldiers or interests, you're damn right we would start threatening them!
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Axis of Evil? Are we in church again? NO... we are not. Do us a favor and put down the bible and speak english that we can all understand. Coming up with terms that somehow we are not evil, and they are is a lack of intelligence. Just using those terms with a country that 95% don't believe in our religion I'm sure wants to make em go out and fight. Way to go! Bring em on..... Yeah, another bush slang. I guess I am just amazed every time the guy speaks and even sicker when other people start imitating a moron.
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I'm not a religious person, but I most certainly believe in what can only be described as "evil." No other English word properly describes some of the horrors I've seen committed by creatures that live less-than-human lives. (Violent fanatics of any stripe).

I also believe in "goodness." As in, I recognize the inherent goodness that most Americans possess. This goodness leads to our provision of support and aid throughout the modern world; as well as other acts of genuine "goodness" that make our country very special.

I do not place a religious definition on either word.

Thus, those who would deny the existence of Good vs. Evil frighten me the most.
 
"How much easier life would be! If only there were evil men out there, insidiously plotting evil deeds, and all we had to do is separate them out from the rest of us and destroy them! But the line between good and evil runs through the heart of every human being, and who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: toolboxolio
If Canada was invaded by the Chinese, we would most certainly be acting like Iran.
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for the 1,000th time: the action being predictable does not make it right.

Why is it that those using that analogy, or similar, seem to be excusing Iran for their actions, or somehow saying it's "ok" for them to involve themselves in Iraq? It's almost as though they support Iran's actions!

At least, that's how they come across...

is it just me?
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I'm not supporting Iran's actions. But I do understand why they are doing it.

They believe they are next on the chopping block (justified to all hell given all the indications our beloved president has shown). Surrounded on all sides by countries that have strong US influence. A country that they are propagated to all hell to hate.

I don't think it's right... but I am in no position to say they are wrong.
 
Well, now the Iranians are claiming that the munitions used by the guys that blew up their bus came from the U.S..

Seems that everybody gets to call foul over somebody else's weapons.
 
Newsweek has an interesting ivestigation into the Qods Force presence in Iraq. Contrary to the Bush administration's claims this week that the Qods Force is in Iraq to sow chaos and sponsor attacks on U.S. troops, Iraqi Shiites from the SCIRI party, whose leader President Bush hosted at the White House in December, are saying that Qods operatives arrested by the U.S. were attempting to reign in Moqtada Sadr's Mahdi Army:

On the night they were detained, the two Iranians had met with Hadi al-Ameri, head of the Badr Organization, once the militia of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI). Ameri also heads up the security committee in the Iraqi National Assembly. The two officials had come, Ameri told NEWSWEEK, to discuss security issues. Ameri said two top Iraqi government officials, Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih and national-security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie, had asked the Iranian government to help rein in the Mahdi Army, the rival Shiite militia directed by radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr that is believed to be responsible for death squads and other sectarian violence, as well as attacks on U.S. troops. Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki ?wanted Iran?s help and said you can influence this issue," Ameri said in an interview. ?This led to the Iranians sending the group with the diplomatic passports.? He added: ?They had a meeting with me and we talked about how to put pressure on the Jaish Mahdi [Mahdi Army] not to attack Sunnis ? how to prevent the Jaish Mahdi from working against the government and not to raise their weapons illegally.
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It's appropriate to treat this report with skepticism.

Hadi al-Ameri is a ruthless militia commander, and SCIRI has long and deep ties to Iran, so it's hardly surprising that al-Ameri would seek to exonerate his sponsors. Still, as Newsweek writes:

"The upshot is that while the American military is blaming the Quds Force and IRGC for all sorts of misdeeds, the highest officials in the U.S.-backed Iraqi government appear to be buying weapons from them and asking for their help on security issues
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Indeed, it's even more convoluted than that. U.S. troops in Baghdad have broadcast their intent to go after the very Mahdi Army that Qods operatives were reportedly trying to defang. Furthermore, administration officials like Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns and Ryan Crocker, whom Bush nominated to be the next U.S. ambassador to Iraq, have said that they would accept a constructive Iranian role in Iraq. If al-Ameri is telling Newsweek the truth, again, a big if, then either by accident or design, that position is the latest administration statement on Iraq to be subverted by their own actions.
 
Originally posted by: spittledip
Who says it is the govt supplying the weapons? it could be any Iranian. Or, it could be weapons that were stolen.. or it could be anything! You would think that after the whole WMD mess that our govt would have learned their lessons about not jumping to conclusions.
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Exactly just like insurgents can get their hands on U.S. military gear via the huge black market in Iraq. Let's not forget that about a month or more ago insurgent dressed up in U.S. military uniforms, badges and gear made their way into a U.S./Iraqi military base to kill several U.S. advisers.

Does this mean that our government is supplying the insurgents too? Or what about all those Chinese made AK-47's and rocket propelled grenades ? Is China supplying the insurgents as well with an endless supply of ammunition and assault rifles ? The truth of the matter is we have no concrete evidence that Iran is directly with knowledge supplying these insurgent groups. For all we know it could be the Russians giving us a taste of our own medicine in Iraq with all the venom coming out of Russia and Putin nowadays.

 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
The truth of the matter is we have no concrete evidence that Iran is directly with knowledge supplying these insurgent groups. For all we know it could be the Russians giving us a taste of our own medicine in Iraq with all the venom coming out of Russia and Putin nowadays.
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It gets down to the the point of the thread I posted after Bushie's press conference
Topic Title: Bush press conference - Insists Iran is arming Iraq.
Topic Summary: Can't prove it, but he's "going to do something about it"

At least this time, he's not relying on faulty evidence to start a war. He's not relying on any evidence, at all!!!
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Why are these yahoos so anxious to stir up yet another war, at all, let alone remembering that they may have already depleted our military of the manpower and hardware to continue the bogus war they already have on their plates?

There's always the possiblity they could be right about Iran, but they've lied so often, and with such disastrous results that there's no reason we can believe a word they say.

Even if, in the unlikely event that they're telling the truth, they've done such a piss poor job of managing the wars they've already started that there's no reason to trust them to get another one right.
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: spittledip
Who says it is the govt supplying the weapons? it could be any Iranian. Or, it could be weapons that were stolen.. or it could be anything! You would think that after the whole WMD mess that our govt would have learned their lessons about not jumping to conclusions.
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Exactly just like insurgents can get their hands on U.S. military gear via the huge black market in Iraq. Let's not forget that about a month or more ago insurgent dressed up in U.S. military uniforms, badges and gear made their way into a U.S./Iraqi military base to kill several U.S. advisers.

Does this mean that our government is supplying the insurgents too? Or what about all those Chinese made AK-47's and rocket propelled grenades ? Is China supplying the insurgents as well with an endless supply of ammunition and assault rifles ? The truth of the matter is we have no concrete evidence that Iran is directly with knowledge supplying these insurgent groups. For all we know it could be the Russians giving us a taste of our own medicine in Iraq with all the venom coming out of Russia and Putin nowadays.
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"50 Russian-made surface-to-air missiles that were still useable"

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/KHA749157.htm

Funny you should mention that. I guess we will be bombing Russia as soon as Iran and China are pounded into submission.
 
This could be uncalled for/funny.

What if Bush is right and Iran gets nukes and allows for terrorists to take sanctuary in that country. Then he can go "lol, I told you'z before din't I?!"
 
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