Wreckage
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XFX offers a double lifetime warranty, eVGA covers overclocking and aftermarket cooling
At least you can buy a comparable nvidia card. Which nforce chipset? If you mean the 590 with far more features, well yeah that would take a bit more power. However video card vs video card the power draw is stull much higher on the ATI side.
OK, I will quote Rage3D an ATI fan site...
NVIDIA?s SLI is clearly more stable and mature than ATI?s Crossfire, there is no debating that fact. I never experienced any game crashes or rendering errors with SLI, and the one game I was expecting to have some problems with (Pacific Fighters) was apparently recently fixed and now works and scales fine. With Crossfire not only did most games not scale, but I actually had to disable Crossfire just to get them to launch. Elegant degradation is not in ATI?s vocabulary, apparently.
Not only is stability on NVIDIA?s side, so is ease of use and practicality. There is no master/slave stuff and there is no giant pain in the ass dongle with thumb screws that break off and are way too small and cables that are way too stiff to bend nicely like the monstrosity you get with hardware Crossfire. NVIDIA?s SLI bridge-board is elegant, easy to use, and doesn?t get in your way. Granted you can?t defend yourself against hordes of evil undead zombies with it like you can ATI?s dongle, but really, who wants zombie goo all over their computer anyway.
It sounds like paper rustling.... Again you are talking about future products that are not on the market. Let's compare currently available products.
Many ways but that is a whole other discussion
Go buy one.....oh wait.... Oh well at least on "paper" it looks ok.
Nice to see you're being factual now. unlike before when you lied, mislead, and then never admitted you were wrong. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...adid=1909669&STARTPAGE=2&enterthread=y
And to quote hardOCP;
The dongle isnt an issue for me. You install it once, and you're done.
As you know, most people prefer reviews first, then hardware a few weeks later. Per the poll. Not that you would buy anything highend anyways.
When have you used a highend ATi card last? Please, do tell. Its all opinion, there is no benchmark for driver quality. Although, NV would probably default to lower IQ on that too.
Again,
As you know, most people prefer reviews first, then hardware a few weeks later. Per the poll.
Wreckage
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bla, bla, bla. Most people buy Dells.
The fact is you can't brag about a product that does not exist for sale. The PS3 is sooooo much better than the Xbox360 (on paper), WHO CARES, the people with a 360 are acutally playing it.
If NVIDIA announced today the G80 and said it would not be out untill November, would you shut up? Nope. You would cry about something I'm sure and ignore all other facts. A preview is one thing, but let's not talk about it like it's actually here.
Far Cry was a joke when I popped my 7800GT in! Took some tweaking to get it to look acceptable (and then I go over to my best friend's house with his shiny new X1900XT running it in HDR with 4X AA as well. Yes, we still play this game
).Most people on these forums dont buy Dells. The fact is, the poll on this very forum, shows most people like reviews first, then the cards. Get over that fact.
If the G80 had reviews out, I would talk about it just as I am with the X1950. We're talking weeks here (or less), you're talking months. Lets not exaggerate to help your agenda.
btw, why do you keep avoiding the link I dropped where you lied, and mislead people?
Wreckage
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Maybe you should venture beyond the video card section. There are plenty that do. My point is, that poll is about as useful as a dongle. Run the same poll on some other sites and I bet you get different results.
So, if most people on this forum enjoyed getting kicked in the butt that would make it a good thing? Good or bad it's still a paper launch and that is a fact. Get over it.
Bash it with FUD?, like any other NVIDIA release?
I see so as long as ATI sets the time limit, it's OK with you. :roll:
I was correct in my overall statement, and I did fix an error in part of the post. To call it lying is pure exaggeration. Your obsession with me is starting to get a little creepy. :shocked:
We're talking about highend video cards. And about the people here. Go ahead and run it on a different site, doesnt matter. Most people who buy Dells, do not buy video cards that cost $450+.
Give me ONE example when I bashed any NV launch, with FUD. Ill be waiting.
As I have said before, many times over... I dont mind when reviews come out, and hardware later. As long as the hardware comes out when they say. Thats the same for whomever.
No you were not "overall" correct. You were wrong, 2 out of the three you gave. eVGA does, BFG does not, neither does "etc". You said, "BFG, eVGA, etc. cover overclocking with their warranty." When in fact, only eVGA does. You claimed several more did, when they did not.
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I find it ironic as well as hypocritical that you are accusing others of avoiding their own misinformative FUD.
That's because the third option was butchered and the OP didn't know how to reflect the realistic circumstances. Who wouldn't want to be able to buy the card right when you make up your mind and review what you want? No waits, no weeks of anticipating where the first grabs are going to be. Just research all you want and buy when you like.
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Yeah I totally agree. These days I only come to video forums when there are new products or issues. So with the imminent X1950's launch (a few days ago) I've looked around the various threads and I'm shaking my head. Going back to CPU/Motherboard forums..
nitromullet
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Yes and no... Do you remember the thread where he claimed that an $800 7800GTX 512 was a good investment? Aside from many ATI vs NV threads, there are still some good threads here. Take the one about 7900GT volt modding. I personally don't own a 7900GT, but I have read most of that thread and it's a really good example of what this forum can be.
schneiderguy
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Where did I spread FUD? Again, Im waiting.
Where am I being hypocritical, and avoiding my own FUD? Again, Im waiting.
The third option doesnt matter, next to nobody wants it. There are two options, cards available when reviews are, or a few weeks earlier.
Here are the AA comparisions I spoke of. Note I took these screenshots to confirm for myself that FS' comparison was faulty, not with the intent of posting 'em, so I did not take care to be in the exact position (most noticably the cross-hair) or even match other noticeable settings such as dynamic shadows (off in mine) and dynamic light (medium in mine).
The hosting service limits images to 1MB so I cut them in half to keep the original lossless quality. As said, FS retardedly tested at 1280x1024 when the game is not capable of correctly rendering that resolution as it is limited to an aspect ratio of 4:3 and thus the correct equivalent is 1280x960. In retrospect I suppose I could have enabled Stretch-O-Vision for an "accurate" comparision but that would have been backwards.
FS' "4xAA" (my file name "0xAA")
2xAA
4xAA
The hosting service limits images to 1MB so I cut them in half to keep the original lossless quality. As said, FS retardedly tested at 1280x1024 when the game is not capable of correctly rendering that resolution as it is limited to an aspect ratio of 4:3 and thus the correct equivalent is 1280x960. In retrospect I suppose I could have enabled Stretch-O-Vision for an "accurate" comparision but that would have been backwards.
FS' "4xAA" (my file name "0xAA")
2xAA
4xAA
Again, I'll show you:
"Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works."
ATI's X1800's and X1950's are not any different. It's not just Nvidia and the fact that you have claimed they've had more problems is misinformative.
You still haven't answered my question to you here.
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Ackmed: "They originally planned to launch on August 23rd, and now they still are. With low avail for the first few weeks. Thas not a paper launch....If they have cards, then sell out, and have low avail, its not. Such was the case with the 7900 series launch. And the 7800GTX 512MB was worse even still. Much worse in fact."
josh6079: "So if the 7900 series wasn't quite a paper launch, and the 7800GTX 512MB wasn't a paper launch, then what did you mean by this:
What "problems" was Nvidia having as of late with launches? If the 7900/7800GTX 512MB series launch is just like the X1950's (which isn't a paper launch in your eyes) then what did you mean by that in this context?"
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How has Nvidia had more problems with ATI if they have both been executing similar launches?
That pole's third option doesn't matter since it didn't accurately reflect what really happened, nor what has ever happened in any launch.
I'm not trying to poke and argue with you for the fun of it, but with you pulling a Rollo and bashing somone else's system because it doesn't have $1000 worth of video cards, thinking HRC is a more angelic program than AEG, ignoring my questions while pointing your finger at others for doing the same, and claiming that you haven't spread any FUD about Nvidia's launches when comparing them with ATI has made me wonder if you see anything wrong with ATI. Niether company is flawless.
Originally posted by: Wreckage
So the IQ between the two companies is just about equal? I guess this should remove the whole IQ FUD from the arguments we all love to have here.
Although somehow I doubt it.
Totally accepted by everyone that ati has superior in game IQ. Don't be left out. :music:
A review that shows static screen shots of ancient games (and one that you win every time) really doesn't prove much except that the site is incredably lazy or well paid.
Wreckage
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Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: Wreckage
So the IQ between the two companies is just about equal? I guess this should remove the whole IQ FUD from the arguments we all love to have here.
Although somehow I doubt it.
Totally accepted by everyone that ati has superior in game IQ. Don't be left out. :music:
A review that shows static screen shots of ancient games (and one that you win every time) really doesn't prove much except that the site is incredably lazy or well paid.
Ah, the sweet song of denial. So now FS is biased? It's over that boat has saled. They proved it's FUD. GG.
schneiderguy
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Originally posted by: schneiderguy
between HL2 and CoD2 they have over 50,000 players playing at one time. i guess you would rather have them test a game like FEAR that has 1/50th of the players?
Most of them are 12 year olds playing on the antique in the rec room. Are you guys really trying to deny that ati has superior iq? Just wait for the g80, default settings will be good and the tune will change. :music:
edit: Actually just bothered with your link, I see that half life (by that I assume counterstrike) is the big winner. Wow lets have an article that compares iq of counterstrike between a geforce 32mx and a x1950xtx! Should be entertaining.
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