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FireWire 800 Internal HDD to Laptop HDD Transfers ?

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2therock

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I want to add an internal 500GB backup hard drive to my desktop. I'll be storing images, surveillance video clips, and backing up in general.
I like the Seagate SATA 7200.10 internal drives and the price compared to an external setup with another power cord and brick to hook up. I have no need to go mobile with any of the data.

That being said, I have a new HP dv6000t notebook with a firewire 800 port and my desktop PC has the same. I like the speed increase over USB 2.0.

Can I just hook them up and transfer between the two? How will they see each other.
Is a network RJ cable better?

Thanks
 
I don't believe you can just hook them up with FW and expect each other to communicate. I know you can use a cross over ethernet and it will probably as fast, as long as you have gigabit ports. I have not really tried FW to FW since I don't have a male-male FW cable.
 
Originally posted by: Jiggz
I don't believe you can just hook them up with FW and expect each other to communicate. I know you can use a cross over ethernet and it will probably as fast, as long as you have gigabit ports. I have not really tried FW to FW since I don't have a male-male FW cable.
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There's no such thing as a distinction between straight and cross-over with Firewire since all ports are wired the same. A normal male-to-male FW 800 cable will work fine here, though I'd go with gigabit ethernet if that's available as Window's FW-networking implementation can be a bit wonko.
 
Thanks,

I am just getting into the firewire thing. I noticed I have the smaller port on the laptop and the larger port on the desktop.
I believe the smaller indicates 800 and the larger 400?

I run off an ASUS P4P800 Deluxe motherboard and wonder if it is 800 capable.
I believe this firewire transfer is is possible though as there are articles out there about going from XP PC to a MAC.

I'll look to see if my ASUS has gigabit network porting too.
 
I am a bit puzzled. I have been caresfully looking at all the available options for the dv6000t and can't find a Firewire800 (1394b) port. FW800 uses a 9 pin connector - standard - both ends. FW400 has 6 and 4 pin connectors, and laptops usually have thr smaller, 4 pin type, and they do not carry power - just data. So, devices connected to them must have their own power source.

Do you have a link to the HP site that shows the FW800 port in the dv6000t specs?
 
Originally posted by: corkyg
I am a bit puzzled. I have been caresfully looking at all the available options for the dv6000t and can't find a Firewire800 (1394b) port. FW800 uses a 9 pin connector - standard - both ends. FW400 has 6 and 4 pin connectors, and laptops usually have thr smaller, 4 pin type, and they do not carry power - just data. So, devices connected to them must have their own power source.
Do you have a link to the HP site that shows the FW800 port in the dv6000t specs?
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I said I am new to the networking thing and it is starting to show.
Not too helpless as I build my own PC's but networking is new territory for me.
Here is a link to a Product Tour Page and External Device Page showing and explaing a bit on the IEEE 1394 or 1394a port for such things as to connecting a camcorder to. I can use some clarification on this and what I can do with it, as my dv6000t has one.
I also heve the RJ-45 jack and will be looking to see if it will gigabit with my desktop gigabit card. What speed will gigabit do if I am sucessful?

Remember all this is so I can avaid the clutter of an external hard drive backup system by using an internal HDD. And I want faster transfer than USB 2.0 or my "G" wireless router.


 
OK - I checked your linked PDF file - the manual for the dv6000t, and my suspicion is confirmed. It does NOT have a 1394 b port. On page 14, it shows as item 7, the 4-wire 1394 port. It is the same one I have on my dv1000. It is the powerless Firewire 400 port.

When you mentioned two sizes, it made me suspicious because Firewire 800 (1394b) does not have two sizes - only one - the 9-pin port and connector.

However, you can connect that 4-pin Firewire port to a powered external drive that has a Firewire connection. That is what I use to backup my dv1000, and that link is faster on a sustained transfer basis than the USB 2 ports.
 
In that case, it loooks like the ethernet connection will be the best for speed.

I like the Seagate SATA 7200.10 internal drives and the price compared to an external setup with another power cord and brick to hook up. I have no need to go mobile with any of the data.
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I can understand the desire to keep things simple, but it can be advantageous to have your back-ups on a completely seperate drive. It's very simple to buy your choice of any drive and install it to an external case. Many cases don't have a brick ( just regular plug) and you can buy a HD with a 5 yr. warranty. There are external cases with ethernet connections, but I've never owned one.
Whatever you buy, it's probably not gonna be as fast as your truck. :Q
 
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Jiggz
I don't believe you can just hook them up with FW and expect each other to communicate. I know you can use a cross over ethernet and it will probably as fast, as long as you have gigabit ports. I have not really tried FW to FW since I don't have a male-male FW cable.
Click to expand...
There's no such thing as a distinction between straight and cross-over with Firewire since all ports are wired the same. A normal male-to-male FW 800 cable will work fine here, though I'd go with gigabit ethernet if that's available as Window's FW-networking implementation can be a bit wonko.
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You are absolutely correct! There is no such distinction between STRAIGHT and CROSS-OVER with FIREWIRE (FW)! BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A STRAIGHT AND CROSS-OVER ETHERNET CABLE as I have mentioned. Who said cross-over FW anyway? Anyways, back to the OP I recommend just using a cross over ethernet cable (NOT CROSS-OVER FIREWIRE CABLE for there is no such thing!), slow it may be (if you do not have gigabit ports) it's proven to work reliably.
 
Gents you have been great. I am so green at this but comming along. I need some clarification.
Cross over cable. Is that when one pin is reversed?
This one is really going to reveal how sure footed... I am not.

Gigabit? It seems obvious but I have searched for a data speed spread sheet chart on speed comparisons. I need a list of network or data xfr speeds in order of their rates.

I'm hoping Gigabit is the fastest because I have a Gigabit enabled port on my HP dv6000t laptop. The Gigabit option is only availble if you have the nVidia adapter. My desktop also had a Gigabit port but my Cable modem uses it.
If so I would love to slap a Gigabit pci NIC in my desktop and fire away between it and an internal 7200.10 HDD. And screw the Firewire.
I am not sure because I know some hardware formats are reated faster but have to go through different paths through busses and such thus not being as fast as stated. Kind of like one outboard motor mfg rates horspower at the prop and the other at the crankshaft.

Thanks,
By the way, I'm a proud new owner of an HP dv6000t laptop loaded out. Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz, 2GB DDR........... and so on. If they have it it's in there, a matte display though, my prefference.


 
Originally posted by: Jiggz
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Jiggz
I don't believe you can just hook them up with FW and expect each other to communicate. I know you can use a cross over ethernet and it will probably as fast, as long as you have gigabit ports. I have not really tried FW to FW since I don't have a male-male FW cable.
Click to expand...
There's no such thing as a distinction between straight and cross-over with Firewire since all ports are wired the same. A normal male-to-male FW 800 cable will work fine here, though I'd go with gigabit ethernet if that's available as Window's FW-networking implementation can be a bit wonko.
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You are absolutely correct! There is no such distinction between STRAIGHT and CROSS-OVER with FIREWIRE (FW)! BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A STRAIGHT AND CROSS-OVER ETHERNET CABLE as I have mentioned. Who said cross-over FW anyway? Anyways, back to the OP I recommend just using a cross over ethernet cable (NOT CROSS-OVER FIREWIRE CABLE for there is no such thing!), slow it may be (if you do not have gigabit ports) it's proven to work reliably.
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Sorry, it was 2am and the two sentences kind of melded together in my mind. My bad.
 
I need some clarification. Cross over cable. Is that when one pin is reversed?
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Crossover cables have two of the wires/pins reversed on one end of the cable. Newegg or a brick and mortar computer parts store will have them; usually in the 4' to 6' length. You wouldn't need much more than that since you can place your laptop next to your desktop.

Check back when you get them connected if you need help getting the two computers to "see" each other.

alzan
 
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