Firefox vs. IE

[Mem]

Did not take long to start a flame thread ,Opera is a VERY good browser in its own right,FYI Opera and Mozilla 1.7.5 are my top two.

Maxthon is probably the best IE based browser IMHO.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: malak
The reasoning behind your hate makes no sense. It's a solid browser that requires a lot less work from the user to do everything you want than firefox. You'd like to call it bloat, but it's still very small, and how is it bloat if you are going to download all those extensions anyway for firefox?

I don't use extentions. I use various platforms, and some of them aren't supported by Opera at all (some not even natively). Mozilla works on all of them, and I don't have to put up with ads.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: malak
The reasoning behind your hate makes no sense. It's a solid browser that requires a lot less work from the user to do everything you want than firefox. You'd like to call it bloat, but it's still very small, and how is it bloat if you are going to download all those extensions anyway for firefox?

I don't use extentions. I use various platforms, and some of them aren't supported by Opera at all (some not even natively). Mozilla works on all of them, and I don't have to put up with ads.

Opera doesn't have ads. For the free download(with every feature working), you get one banner which is for opera. It doesn't take any space, if you purchase opera it disappears but that space is still there. It isn't an inconvenience in the least.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Mem
Did not take long to start a flame thread ,Opera is a VERY good browser in its own right,FYI Opera and Mozilla 1.7.5 are my top two.

Maxthon is probably the best IE based browser IMHO.

I'm not even flaming, just pointing out that Opera is probably a better choice than firefox for most people. It's less of a hassle. But people here get pissy when you point that out and flame every detail, even when it makes no sense.

 

[Jeff7]

I don't know of an automated way of synchronizing the bookmarks, but I've never looked into that.

As for the new window duplicating the one that spawned it, look at the Clone Window extension. It only works when you press Ctrl+N though, not when you open a new window with a link - at least not yet. Maybe a future revision will.

Other extensions I like:
- Adblock
- DictionarySearch
- Sort Bookmarks
- Download Manager Tweak
- Autofill
- IE View (for the few pages that are only coded to work with IE)

And there are a few others too; I find new ones all the time.

 

[Mem]

I'm not even flaming, just pointing out that Opera is probably a better choice than firefox for most people

Actually I was not referring to you .

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: malak
The reasoning behind your hate makes no sense. It's a solid browser that requires a lot less work from the user to do everything you want than firefox. You'd like to call it bloat, but it's still very small, and how is it bloat if you are going to download all those extensions anyway for firefox?

I don't use extentions. I use various platforms, and some of them aren't supported by Opera at all (some not even natively). Mozilla works on all of them, and I don't have to put up with ads.

Opera doesn't have ads. For the free download(with every feature working), you get one banner which is for opera. It doesn't take any space, if you purchase opera it disappears but that space is still there. It isn't an inconvenience in the least.

That's an ad. The last time I used Opera the ad was not static (blinked, changed, whatever), and I find that too distracting. If that space isn't reclaimed, they're wasting too much space. I have a limited size screen, I don't want a bunch of it wasted on empty space.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Mem

I'm not even flaming, just pointing out that Opera is probably a better choice than firefox for most people

Actually I was not referring to you .

There isn't any flaming going on. Nothing is perfect for everyone.

 

[Mem]

There isn't any flaming going on. Nothing is perfect for everyone

I beg to differ ,bottom line is use the browser you`re happy with.
Opera is still the fastest browser I`ve tried, but like you`ve stated nothing is perfect for everyone.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Mem

There isn't any flaming going on. Nothing is perfect for everyone

I beg to differ ,bottom line is use the browser you`re happy with.
Opera is still the fastest browser I`ve tried, but like you`ve stated nothing is perfect for everyone.

Please point me in the direction of an OpenBSD/VAX port of Opera.

 

[Nothinman]

For the free download(with every feature working), you get one banner which is for opera

How is that not an ad?

It doesn't take any space

So it's an invisible ad?

if you purchase opera it disappears but that space is still there

So it does take space? And you can't reclaim it even after you pay for it?

It isn't an inconvenience in the least.

It's a waste of space and something that I don't have to deal with when I use a free browser. I would rather use IE than Opera for that reason alone.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Muse
One reason I'm still using IE is that I can quickly and easily create a duplicate of the current page by hitting CTRL+N. Is there a way to do this with Firefox?

Ctrl N doesn't duplicate the page for me in IE6... It just goes to the home page.

Do you have "Reuse windows when launching shortcuts" checked in Tools/Options/Advanced?

ok, well I think the real question should be, does that exist in FF ...

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
That's an ad. The last time I used Opera the ad was not static (blinked, changed, whatever), and I find that too distracting. If that space isn't reclaimed, they're wasting too much space. I have a limited size screen, I don't want a bunch of it wasted on empty space.

I've never had the ad change, it's always been static. And it's not wasted empty space, its on the same toolbar as other buttons, just the buttons only take up half the space. You can add things to that toolbar later, like amazon searches and whatnot. But stock it's empty space already.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Muse
One reason I'm still using IE is that I can quickly and easily create a duplicate of the current page by hitting CTRL+N. Is there a way to do this with Firefox?

Ctrl N doesn't duplicate the page for me in IE6... It just goes to the home page.

Do you have "Reuse windows when launching shortcuts" checked in Tools/Options/Advanced?

ok, well I think the real question should be, does that exist in FF ...

And the answer seems to be "yes, with a plugin":

-snip-
As for the new window duplicating the one that spawned it, look at the Clone Window extension. It only works when you press Ctrl+N though, not when you open a new window with a link - at least not yet. Maybe a future revision will.

-snip-

Edit: I hit the Clone Window install page and the Install link but nothing happened. Ach! I AM running Firefox 1.0.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Damn, both Opera and Firefox are great in their own respects. Not sure what is up with all this pointless flaming over small crap like too many option and a BSD support.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Nothinman

One reason I'm still using IE is that I can quickly and easily create a duplicate of the current page by hitting CTRL+N. Is there a way to do this with Firefox?

I have never wanted to do this and it's one of the things that IE does that I absolutely hate, I've never understood why you would want to do that.

Well, for one thing I have found that sometimes I can't open a link off the context menu (right click menu), and have to hit a link directly. To have my previous page without having to reload it (Back button) I just hit CTRL-N before leaving my original page. There are other times I do this, too, I think.

Why not use tabs?

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: malak
The reasoning behind your hate makes no sense. It's a solid browser that requires a lot less work from the user to do everything you want than firefox. You'd like to call it bloat, but it's still very small, and how is it bloat if you are going to download all those extensions anyway for firefox?

I don't use extentions. I use various platforms, and some of them aren't supported by Opera at all (some not even natively). Mozilla works on all of them, and I don't have to put up with ads.

Opera doesn't have ads. For the free download(with every feature working), you get one banner which is for opera. It doesn't take any space, if you purchase opera it disappears but that space is still there. It isn't an inconvenience in the least.

The banner is larger than the toolbar's height, so it does take up space.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Please use the search button, there are many IE versus FireFox flame wars

OK, I know you are completely right. Well, then, I can dispense with the flamewars. You can disregard my last question if it's silly to start another such discussion. However, my other two questions I'd like answered if it's possible:

Can you make a duplicate of the current page quickly and easily in FF as you can in IE, and if so, how?

Can you easily resynchronize your bookmarks between the two browsers. Am I the only guy who uses both browsers? I have one important site that I go to that always flashes a warning when I open it in FF that it's not optimized for my browser, so I use IE for that site. Yes, I can limit my use of IE to that site (and maybe I will). Thanks, all.

These work in Mozilla, but likely work in FF:

(click on Tab)

Duplicate Tab: RMB-D

Move Tab to New Window: RMB-M-W

 

[mysticfm]

Cerb is right. The increased height of the Opera ad bar (call it what you will) means that there is a bunch of wasted vertical space even if you have another normal toolbar beside it. And some people like to trim down the number of toolbar buttons to make more space for webpages ... one can't accomplish that very well with the ad bar always being there.

I don't begrudge the makers of Opera the right to have an ad bar in order to try to sell their product, but it's the biggest reason why I don't use Opera (even though I have it installed in order to check webpage functionality on infrequent occasions). When I have forced myself to use Opera, I feel like I'm looking at web pages through a peephole, because the client area of the browser feels so much smaller than either IE or Firefox.

 

[foneman]

Since opera 7.5 you can switch off the main toolbar(you can put web controls anywhere!), and select 'google adsense' (no more graphical ads!) this means you have micro text adverts.. Nope, havent sent any money yet...

The latest Version 8 enables you more customisation, so you can move all 'Page controls' next to the page tabs, giving even more screen space..