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Jeff7

Jeff7

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ninaholic37 said:
I'm pretty sure Firefox had an initial delay of 250ms in all versions (since 2003):

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180241
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Is this something that can be changed somewhere? nglayout.initialpaint.delay isn't found in my about:config section.
And all I can say is that v32 feels very sluggish compared to 31.

One thing I'd often do when I had to open a bunch of tabs (I don't have scripting access to the database, so a fair amount of things have to be done manually) is to work on another tab while another one is loading. I can't do that now, since Firefox locks up solid until the other tab is done loading.

I know it's not a huge efficiency decrease, but it feels slow. I like a computer to be snappy. It doesn't seem right that I should be waiting any appreciable amount of time for a multicore 3GHz machine to load a relatively basic webpage. (And it'd be nice for Firefox to get proper mutlicore support sometime before 2030 rolls around. :))
 
VirtualLarry

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Jeff7 said:
Is this something that can be changed somewhere? nglayout.initialpaint.delay isn't found in my about:config section.
And all I can say is that v32 feels very sluggish compared to 31.

One thing I'd often do when I had to open a bunch of tabs (I don't have scripting access to the database, so a fair amount of things have to be done manually) is to work on another tab while another one is loading. I can't do that now, since Firefox locks up solid until the other tab is done loading.

I know it's not a huge efficiency decrease, but it feels slow. I like a computer to be snappy. It doesn't seem right that I should be waiting any appreciable amount of time for a multicore 3GHz machine to load a relatively basic webpage. (And it'd be nice for Firefox to get proper mutlicore support sometime before 2030 rolls around. :))
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I feel the opposite about Waterfox 32 versus 31. 31 was laggy, 32 is much better.

But for some reason, the other day, hitting the middle mouse button to bring up auto-scroll, had a wierd long delay before it appeared. Rebooting fixed the issue, but it seems to happen after a time.
 
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Tommy2000GT

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Classic theme restorer is awesome. I hate how the current versions of Firefox has tabs showing and you can't disable them unlike the older versions.
 
lxskllr

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My browser crashed today, and it looks like I got a new feature in 34. It's some kind of mozilla chat service. I only noticed it cause I got a new icon...

woQldcw.png


Edit:
What you get when you click it...

8ycnej5.png


The address changes every click, so it's limited, and can't be used to spam.
 
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flexy

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lxskllr said:
My browser crashed today, and it looks like I got a new feature in 34. It's some kind of mozilla chat service. I only noticed it cause I got a new icon...

woQldcw.png


Edit:
What you get when you click it...

8ycnej5.png


The address changes every click, so it's limited, and can't be used to spam.
Click to expand...

I am pretty sure that is the new, built in WebRTC chat feature. What it is, it allows multiple parties to communicate similar to video conferencing via webcam, mic, chat etc. using some central site/service.

WebRTC is the protocol used (it exists in FF for a while) and people needed to use 3rd party services (like sqwiggle etc.) to connect via WebRTC. But now Mozilla has their own service which makes use of WebRTC.

""
WebRTC (Web Real-Time Communication) is an API definition drafted by the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) that supports browser-to-browser applications for voice calling, video chat, and P2P file sharing without plugins.[1]
""
 
lxskllr

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flexy said:
I am pretty sure that is the new, built in WebRTC chat feature. What it is, it allows multiple parties to communicate similar to video conferencing via webcam, mic, chat etc. using some central site/service.

WebRTC is the protocol used (it exists in FF for a while) and people needed to use 3rd party services (like sqwiggle etc.) to connect via WebRTC. But now Mozilla has their own service which makes use of WebRTC.

""
WebRTC (Web Real-Time Communication) is an API definition drafted by the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) that supports browser-to-browser applications for voice calling, video chat, and P2P file sharing without plugins.[1]
""
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That might be useful if it's easy to use across browsers. By easy, I mean you can talk your grandmother through it over the phone, or through email. Otherwise, it'll just be a niche service.
 
flexy

flexy

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lxskllr said:
That might be useful if it's easy to use across browsers. By easy, I mean you can talk your grandmother through it over the phone, or through email. Otherwise, it'll just be a niche service.
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My company started to use sqwiggle last week.

It's purpose is that companies with many "remote workers" who work at/from home can "feel like a team" (you basically have the pictures of your all your team mates on a browser screen the whole day)....or one could also say it's for "that a boss can control/see all workers all day long and knows they're actually there and working" :)

I was initially VERY opposed to the idea...I am working odd hours and simply don't like "being on cam" all day long...but I entirely changed my opinion! It REALLY makes us feel more like a team as opposed to just having people on skype etc. (I also set it so I only transfer a cam pic manually when I click on the screen)

Of course, in reality...90% in chat is meme GIFs etc...but in general it's really good to quickly communicate with others.

Since today a lot of people are working from/at home......it's not really so much a "niche thing" as you might think...I can see this taking off in the not so far future.

* It's extremely easy to use, really all you do is log-in to sqwiggle (or whatever service supports WebRTC) and then have the screen on your phone/mobile device/desktop etc.

* The sqwiggle site needs effing CHROME plus their Windows app isn't even done yet. (Whether it works with latest FF I don't know). So from that point of view that Mozilla works on their own service that works with FF (obviously) is good, however I don't think my guys will ever switch from sqwiggle. Just hate to have chrome open all the time in addition to my firefox.
 
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Jeff7

Jeff7

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ninaholic37 said:
I'm pretty sure Firefox had an initial delay of 250ms in all versions (since 2003):

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180241
Click to expand...
So I didn't see the "nglayout.initialpaint.delay" option in about:config. I figured I'd try making it anyway and giving it a low value.

No change.


I guess it's time to go back to v31 and hope that works out.

They mentioned some kind of new HTTP caching thing in v32. Maybe that's the source of my slowdowns - it'll wait until it finishes downloading the entire page, then it will show content. Until then, the Firefox process sits at max CPU and is entirely unresponsive. Kind of makes it difficult to switch between tabs quickly and queue up slow-loading pages while doing other things.



Though allegedly...
"The new HTTP cache back end has many improvements like request prioritization optimized for first-paint time, ahead of read data preloading to speed up large content load...and zero main thread hangs or jank."




Edit: And I had no idea until now just how frequently I would right-click and press R to refresh a page. Can't do that anymore.
(One hand's on the mouse and one's on the keyboard, and my pinkie finger joints are wearing out from using Ctrl. 5.3% of all my workplace keystrokes of the last 6 months were Ctrl.)


I've got the Classic Theme Restorer addon, which does put the Back, Forward, and Reload text options back on the right-click menu, but it doesn't have the hotkey enabled, so R doesn't do anything.


I guess it makes sense. I've seen some regular users at a computer, and I think they could get along for quite awhile without a keyboard at all.
Meanwhile, I can navigate quite a bit without touching the mouse at all. (Though the mouse does have 6 programmable buttons, all of which are regularly used.:D)
 
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