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Firefighters let a home burn down because $75 fee wasn't paid!

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Zorkorist said:
Services are not only offered, but demanded by Government. Rights are conferred, where I will defer to a policeman or a fireman.

They can't choose not to service someone, when I defer all rights to them.

They just can't.

I understand the need to make money, but Government as a whole is just a big pit of lost money, and they won't save this guys house for the $75 he didn't pay!?

-John
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But this person lived in an area where government doesn't provide fire service. So you have not deferred ANY rights to them.
 
System_Mechanic said:
i do agree, but in cases like this, lives can be in danger, neighbor property damage possible not to mention toxins going in the air. What if someone didnt make it out..etc. could get ugly in some cases
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Someone was outside, the guy who owns the house, and firemen always ask if everyone is outside. That is covered.

If the neighbors paid their fees, the fire department would have put out that fire.
 
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senseamp said:
I bet no one else is going to to "forget" to pay the fee for a long time.
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This right here. When they send out fliers next year for fire department dues, they should send a picture of dude's house ablaze with the fire department standing by to protect the neighbor's house that paid their fees.
 
Adrenaline said:
This guy did not defer his rights. When he did not pay his $75, he basically told them he could put the fire out himself. I think he wound up doing just that though correct?
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Obviously he was wrong. He may have believed he was right, but he was wrong.

So, society, the fire-brigade steps in and helps him.

This is what society and Government are for, is helping people, particularly when they are wrong.

-John
 
Fear No Evil said:
But this person lived in an area where government doesn't provide fire service. So you have not deferred ANY rights to them.
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We defer rights to Government, namely police/fire, daily.

If you are in the middle of Wyoming, and get pulled over, are you going to say fuck you, cop?

Of course not, Wyoming Cop has every bit of power behind him as any cop in the US.

But his responsibilities are just as strong.

He cannot stand by and watch a house burn down.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
Obviously he was wrong. He may have believed he was right, but he was wrong.

So, society, the fire-brigade steps in and helps him.

This is what society and Government are for, is helping people, particularly when they are wrong.

-John
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How do you propose the city to collect the $75 from this guy who does not live in the city for fire protection he may never need.........

whoops, he needed it.

Someone linked a story where the guy thought he would still get service with not paying. The guy KNEW about the fee. I bet he tossed the notice in the trash at the beginning of the year and laughed about it.
 
ScottyB said:
I can imagine your world now:

Cop 1: Well, Cletus. That there woman didn't pay her rape tax.
Cop 2: Guess we shouldn't help get that rapist off her.
Cop 1: Shoot, let's get some donuts.
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Sorry I can't return the favor. Imagining your world view would require me to remove my brain.
 
Adrenaline said:
How do you propose the city to collect the $75 from this guy who does not live in the city for fire protection he may never need.........

whoops, he needed it.

Someone linked a story where the guy thought he would still get service with not paying. The guy KNEW about the fee. I bet he tossed the notice in the trash at the beginning of the year and laughed about it.
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Odds are he pays googles of taxes, he just didn't pay this one.

Maybe you could go collect it from the people that pay no taxes, or live on the Government's teat.

-John
 
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Theres no way anyone is wrong except the guy. He's either conservative/republican and enjoys his low county taxes and supports privatizing and would be happy to privately purchase fire protection from the nearby city, or he's liberal/democrat and would not mind paying his fair share into the pool for fire protection.


Without lives at risk the fire people aren't obligated to do anything. With lives at risk, they're as obligated to help as any decent human passer by would be.


The only thing SHOCKING or SURPRISING, but still not outraging, is that his mortgage company didn't make him buy this. If the mortgage company forces you to have insurance you would think they or the insurance company would force you to have the optional fire dept protection in your area. Have a loan on a car, remove insurance, they buy insurance for you and bill you for it. If government won't protect stupidity in this case by mandating coverage, the mortgage company should have. Although, I guess the homeowners ins co is ok with paying this massive claim that they could have avoided by mandating this guy buy fire protection.
 
amdforever2 said:
Theres no way anyone is wrong except the guy. He's either conservative/republican and enjoys his low county taxes and supports privatizing and would be happy to privately purchase fire protection from the nearby city, or he's liberal/democrat and would not mind paying his fair share into the pool for fire protection.


Without lives at risk the fire people aren't obligated to do anything. With lives at risk, they're as obligated to help as any decent human passer by would be.


The only thing SHOCKING or SURPRISING, but still not outraging, is that his mortgage company didn't make him buy this. If the mortgage company forces you to have insurance you would think they or the insurance company would force you to have the optional fire dept protection in your area. Have a loan on a car, remove insurance, they buy insurance for you and bill you for it. If government won't protect stupidity in this case by mandating coverage, the mortgage company should have. Although, I guess the homeowners ins co is ok with paying this massive claim that they could have avoided by mandating this guy buy fire protection.
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I am required to have fire protection by my mortgage company. I have no idea how this guy lacked fire insurance.
 
Zorkorist said:
You are missing it, amd, the fire-fighters stood by and did nothing.

Go back and read the thread.

-John
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As is all they have to do. They're not HIS firefighters they're just in that case bystanders. As a bystander i'm not doing shit unless lives are at stake.
 
Adrenaline said:
I am required to have fire protection by my mortgage company. I have no idea how this guy lacked fire insurance.
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The guy had insurance. We're not talking about insurance here. Presumable he still gets paid out for the house.

But the lazy slob firefighters could have saved the insurance company a lot of money and prevented a lot of heartache by not being such giant douche bags.

In fact if I were the insurance company I would sue the firefighters for gross negligence, or try to have them arrested under criminal charges for deliberately failing to take action, costing the insurance company a lot of money.
 
Mike Gayner said:
The guy had insurance. We're not talking about insurance here. Presumable he still gets paid out for the house.

But the lazy slob firefighters could have saved the insurance company a lot of money and prevented a lot of heartache by not being such giant douche bags.

In fact if I were the insurance company I would sue the firefighters for gross negligence, or try to have them arrested under criminal charges for deliberately failing to take action, costing the insurance company a lot of money.
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I worded it wrong. The mortgage companies actually check to make sure you have fire coverage around here. They tell you where the nearest fire station is to your house, city and county. I pay city and county taxes.

I'm a little tired. I said protection first and insurance second.

The fire department did NOTHING legally wrong. The guy was laughing all the way to the bank when he saved his $75. The mortgage company will redo their contracts from now on I bet that if someone doesn't pay this fee, they will not cover fire damage.
 
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Honey, we paid the $75 and bought the Fire Captain lunch!

I know, but he paid the $75 and bought the Fire Captain Dinner. 🙁

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
lol, fighting fire, you say?

Don't you mean "for sale to the highest bidder?"

-John
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No. Sounds like mommy and daddy need to teach you about taxes and services. If you don't pay for the service, you don't get it. If you don't pay your electricity bill, they cut off service. Same here.
 
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